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How come we have yet to receive an animated adaptation of Bone?
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Jeff Smith is an absolute Chad with artistic integrity, that's why.
Where I ran into a problem is when we began having meetings about "Bone" with Nickelodeon, and we just began to over-analyze everything. They felt Thorn was the character who actually had the greatest story arc - which is true - and they're starting to think, "Well, maybe the movie should be called 'Thorn.'" And of course "Thorn" is what I called the strip in college, so I had this opposite realization and journey, where I took the story back to the Bones. But that's about the only time the name ever gave me trouble.

Any truth to the reports that Nickelodeon wanted you to aim the story more squarely at kids?

Yes. Of course. I guess in some ways that's to be expected. But the truth is, we - meaning myself and the Character Builders and Vijaya - pitched Nickelodeon a fairly complete story idea. You know, we had big art boards made up, big beat boards, and we pretty much showed them the movie that we wanted to make - which would have been: The Bones get into the valley; they meet the princess; they're in the cow race; and they defeat the rat creatures. Very simple, straightforward movie.
Yeah. We had an ending in and of itself, but we could have gone on to finish the larger story in a sequel if it was warranted. Well, we got into the meetings - and like immediately, they just wanted to change everything. They wanted the Bones to be voiced by 6-year-olds - by children. They wanted to change the ending. They wanted the mood and tone of the story to be much more kid-friendly. And, I mean, we had talked about all this beforehand, so I was a little surprised. For me, the famous moment was the suggestion that Fone Bone could have "magic gloves" so he could make things grow. They said, "He should have magic gloves on so he can make things grow!" And I said, "He's not Jesus Christ! Come on!" [laughs]
No, they didn't want a Britney Spears-style pop song - they wanted a Britney Spears song in the film. And I like Britney Spears; I like pop culture; I like Madonna and Michael Jackson as much as anybody else. - but I had a very different kind of a film that I was trying to make. And in the late '90s, I was really adamant that there would be no songs in the movie - because all animated feature films seem to have these awful formulaic songs. I think that's a law somewhere - "Animated film for kids? Put some crappy songs in it!" Like when we pitched Warner Brothers while we were in Annecy. They took us out on a boat and were really wooing us - until I got to the point where I said, "I need it in writing that there will be no songs." And it was pretty much, "Swim back to shore." [laughs] That was it. That was the end. But Nickelodeon did agree to no songs. In writing. So this pop-song thing was probably the turning point in the whole affair for me; this was about a year-and-a-half in. I mean, we had a great time with Nickelodeon - they were a lot of fun, the actual executives that we worked with. I really liked them. We would go to New York, where Viacom is, or we would go to Paramount, and we always had a wonderful time. But one day after lunch we sat down ... and the executive there turned to me and said, "Okay. We can get $12 million right now if we put a pop song in the movie. So, Jeff - do you see somewhere in the body of the film where we could put a Britney Spears or an N'Sync song?"
And I just turned and looked at Vijaya, we looked at each other, and I said, "No." I mean, that's not the kind of movie that we were making. I mean, you wouldn't put a Britney Spears song in the middle of "The Empire Strikes Back" or the middle of "Lord of the Rings". And because Vijaya had insisted that clause be in the contract, they couldn't force me. Things went downhill rapidly after that. I think I became, instead of "the director and the writer," I suddenly became "the creator who was being too protective of his little baby."
Well, let me go back and say that I didn't think it was that frustrating, and I didn't think it was a waste of time. I enjoyed the experience quite a bit, and it was not all Nickelodeon's fault; part of it was my own inexperience in the system. If I could go back in time and do it again, I would have sat down first thing and storyboarded the movie that we had all agreed on to begin with. I didn't know to do that then. I didn't know - I kept thinking there would be a moment where someone would say, "Okay - start now." Do you know what I mean? So I actually thought it was a pretty good experience. I got to learn a lot about Hollywood; I got to learn a lot about story structure. In Nickelodeon's defense, they found weak points in my story - and they held my feet to the fire until I screamed and figured them out. And they ultimately did agree to a contract that allowed me to keep my rights when it didn't work out. That isn't the juicy part of the story to tell, but that's the truth.
TL;DR: Nickelodeon told Jeff to do a bunch of cringy "HOW DO YOU DO FELLOW KIDS?" shit that he didn't like, and he stuck to his guns and said "lol no".
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The subsequent failed attempts at Warner Bros. and Netflix (thank FUCK the latter didn't happen, knowing what we know now) have basically convinced him that trying to appease Pedowood is a losing game and to keep the comic as is.
 
The subsequent failed attempts at Warner Bros. and Netflix (thank FUCK the latter didn't happen, knowing what we know now) have basically convinced him that trying to appease Pedowood is a losing game and to keep the comic as is.
I'm still sad that the old ass Telltale Game didn't perform well enough to complete all the episodes.

Forever unfinished *sigh*
 
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The Oompa-Loompas are going to be racially coded aren't they?
Honestly fuck any political neghole pozzing, that blueberry scene from both movies ruined an entire generation of kids' psyches and I'd imagine if they ever add that again here it will be the only thing people (gooners) will talk about as everything else about this schlock will be forgettable.
 
Also, I'm dropping this part over here as well because semi-relevant, but there's been this weird ongoing attempt at rewriting ProZD wanting Race-based VA work. Spurred on from a Right-leaning guy called Kaida making fun of ZD.

Conveniently it's only after the policy failed for ProZD
For the last couple of days, there's been this ongoing attempt at rewriting the ProZD "Race-based Voice acting" drama to where he wasn't talking about VA work.
 
One single Youtuber is not the reason why corporations do shit like this and it's insane to believe that. If you want to blame something for racial casting, blame The Problem With Apu. And if you want someone to blame for terrible voice quality, blame the voice directors for being incompetent at their jobs and not getting paid enough to actually care.
 
In moderation I don't really see a problem. Bruce Timm drew pinups, R Crumb and Ralph Bakshi, despite hating each other had loads of pornographic elements in their work, Kim Jung Gi made a shit load of porn, Genndy and Craig McCraken probably have a giant stash somewhere.
Speedo and Balak stick out to me in that thumbnail because they both have incredible talent and tons of legitimate animation work, but they also do porn on the side because they like it and think it's fun. To me there's nothing wrong with an artist or any creative type indulging.

I think the bigger problem is porn addicted behavior and porn culture seeping into casual online culture. To be honest if I was an art director and I revealed a new character I was excited about only to see 14,000 comments of "porn is going to ruin this" I'd probably rope myself. You need a healthy balance in life, guys like Speedoru have that imo.
There's also the fact that a lot of reputable animators and artists know how to keep their pants on and have not just a healthy disconnect with fiction and reality but also knowing how to deal with reality in the first place, and not just by paying bills and owning things but being emotionally well adjusted and being honest when reality sucks and isn't as glorious as everyone makes it to be. This especially goes towards dispelling not only how romance and sex won't be like what you read and see in media or your fantasies, but also turning that drive into more constructive pursuits and less indulgent urges.

Sadly, not a lot of people have the right upbringing or direction to be guided correctly with nor neither is this all that rhetorical and common.
 
One single Youtuber is not the reason why corporations do shit like this and it's insane to believe that. If you want to blame something for racial casting, blame The Problem With Apu. And if you want someone to blame for terrible voice quality, blame the voice directors for being incompetent at their jobs and not getting paid enough to actually care.
Most issues with the industry are more complex than most of us will ever truly know about. It's just easier to blame a single target.
 
This is so profoundly retarded, I'll bet they'll replace the toxic tim curry sludge with someone else, and who will play batty? I know theres someone called Jamie Costa who does a decent early robin williams impression but I know they won't use him, they need someone popular nowadays.
 
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