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starborn427614 said:
You should try the sequel. Snappier, less downtime. The writing is better too but that's just my opinion.
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oh that's great. I heard the sequel was bad back when it aired. I didn't have time to see it, but I can't imagine the dialog being worse than the 2016 babble rabble.
 
Castoreum said:
Ice Age (2002): 9/10
Toddler sat through the whole movie and shrieked at the exciting adventure parts. She loves babies, so extra points from her. Blue Sky put all their love and heart into this movie and you can see it. They love showing off their tech. Toddler seemed to dislike the lady sloths in the "hot tub" scene (they are pretty creepy looking lmao). I forgot what the sequels are like. Again, another movie that aged well. I miss Blue Sky. ;__;
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Skip the sequels, they're shit
 
I'm really enjoying Aeon Flux (the animation) and it's really weird seeing the first couple of episodes being short without any dialogue and suddenly now there's a 23 minute episode with a full on plot point. Although I have one question. Are the foot fetish scenes necessary for the plot point or is it just Peter Chung's fetish.
 
Basement Dwelling Dork said:
I'm really enjoying Aeon Flux (the animation) and it's really weird seeing the first couple of episodes being short without any dialogue and suddenly now there's a 23 minute episode with a full on plot point. Although I have one question. Are the foot fetish scenes necessary for the plot point or is it just Peter Chung's fetish.
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ngl it took me a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG fucking time to warm up to AF the series
loved the shorts but I had a very hard time getting into full stories and plots and not just a bunch of weird bdsm people killing the shit out of each other
 
Castoreum said:
Much of the dialog is already dated and I don't think the script aged well.
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How is the dialogue dated? Because cops are shown in a positive light here? The sequel shits on both the male lead and the cops, but of course, and the message is swapped from "muh poor carnivores are mistreated for no reason!" to "muh poor reptile immigrants are mistreated by an EEEVIL OLD MONEY WHITE MAN PATRIARCH!". I liked that in Z1 the villain was a woman that weaponized victimhood to meet her ends, something you don't see today.
 
Castoreum said:
all I remember is ice age 2 had queen latifah and it sucked haha
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I had to warm up to Ice Age 2 because I think it's sweet for Manny to be able to find love again and get a chance to fully move on. Crash and Eddie are annoying, but they're the annoying little brothers a lot like my own and compared to the other sequels, they're tolerable in their debut film. The "bad juju" scene is padding, but it's fun padding, and Sid and Diego being best bros was nice. Everything else around them are hit or miss depending on one's personal tolerance.

And the third is a guilty pleasure of mine because of Buck and the dinosaurs. Manny's anxiety over becoming a father again hits different as I get older. Blue Sky's squash-and-stretch mastery comes back into play with Scrat.

And the final two can be skipped entirely.

Legit, Ice Age deserved better.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
How is the dialogue dated? Because cops are shown in a positive light here? The sequel shits on both the male lead and the cops, but of course, and the message is swapped from "muh poor carnivores are mistreated for no reason!" to "muh poor reptile immigrants are mistreated by an EEEVIL OLD MONEY WHITE MAN PATRIARCH!". I liked that in Z1 the villain was a woman that weaponized victimhood to meet her ends, something you don't see today.
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I did like in the original how well the plot came together, and how you saw both Judy AND Nick suffered from the animal racism. I went into it assuming predators were the whites, so seeing Nick be victimized by prey animals was like "oh thank god it's not just 'white people suck: the movie'." I didn't think it shit on rural communities, Judy went back home and saw Gideon got better, and it wasn't like "oh the farm is the worst thing ever," it's just that she wanted to be a cop in the city and her parents were overbearing. Plus the blueberries saved the day, so like, win for farming?
 
Newcomer 42 said:
How is the dialogue dated? Because cops are shown in a positive light here? The sequel shits on both the male lead and the cops, but of course, and the message is swapped from "muh poor carnivores are mistreated for no reason!" to "muh poor reptile immigrants are mistreated by an EEEVIL OLD MONEY WHITE MAN PATRIARCH!". I liked that in Z1 the villain was a woman that weaponized victimhood to meet her ends, something you don't see today.
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idk I just cringed a lot watching the film a decade later. "Uhmmmm wow u can't say a rabbit is cute unless ur another rabbit XD"
That sort of thing. It sucks.
 
Chromeo said:
I did like in the original how well the plot came together, and how you saw both Judy AND Nick suffered from the animal racism. I went into it assuming predators were the whites, so seeing Nick be victimized by prey animals was like "oh thank god it's not just 'white people suck: the movie'." I didn't think it shit on rural communities, Judy went back home and saw Gideon got better, and it wasn't like "oh the farm is the worst thing ever," it's just that she wanted to be a cop in the city and her parents were overbearing. Plus the blueberries saved the day, so like, win for farming?
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The allegory in the first Zootopia is undercut by the worldbuilding since the biological differences between totally different species is far different from the biological differences between different breeds of the same species like what you see with humans, and can also be easily twisted into an anti-ZOG message since the villain is a dastardly Ewe using her Eweish tricks to deceive the populous for a power grab due to her Eweish belief that her people are oppressed by the predators and that Zootopia was promised to them 3000 years ago.
Castoreum said:
idk I just cringed a lot watching the film a decade later. "Uhmmmm wow u can't say a rabbit is cute unless ur another rabbit XD"
That sort of thing. It sucks.
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The first movie is very 2016.
 
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