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In general, I haven't really liked New Ducktales. Donald and Scrooge are fine but way too much focus gets put on the triplets and webby who are easily the worst characters on the show. Other than that, they've barely aired any episodes and they aren't as interesting as the comics which they were supposedly "inspired" by.
 
In general, I haven't really liked New Ducktales. Donald and Scrooge are fine but way too much focus gets put on the triplets and webby who are easily the worst characters on the show. Other than that, they've barely aired any episodes and they aren't as interesting as the comics which they were supposedly "inspired" by.
I supose it could be a delibreate act of needing to focus on the kids involved so that the audience (basically their age) could relate to them more, less the strained relationship between Scrooge and Donald I'm sure most of us older folk might find more interesting in all this.
 
In general, I haven't really liked New Ducktales. Donald and Scrooge are fine but way too much focus gets put on the triplets and webby who are easily the worst characters on the show. Other than that, they've barely aired any episodes and they aren't as interesting as the comics which they were supposedly "inspired" by.
I like the kids and Webby, but you have the right to your opinion and I'm fine with it. I'll be interesting on how they'll handle Goldie since the show is set in modern times and the two of them wouldn't have even been born yet during the gold rush where they met in the comics. Anyway, here's one more trailer which has Don Karnage in it.

I supose it could be a delibreate act of needing to focus on the kids involved so that the audience (basically their age) could relate to them more, less the strained relationship between Scrooge and Donald I'm sure most of us older folk might find more interesting in all this.
One thing I do like is that the nephew and Donald's relationship isn't antagonistic like it was in the original Donald Duck cartoons and that the nephews actually have personalities. (Yes, I know about Quack Pack.)
 
You know, I never expected Final Space to get so...dramatic with its storytelling.
Seeing Gary’s Dad immediately trust everything he said once he proved who he was was really sweet.

Need to seal a breech in space? Cool, here’s where to find a bomb to do so.

Co-pilot and friend for 20 years is the main villian in the future? Cool, let’s beat him up together,

And I really liked that last exchange they had right before he sacrificed himself.

“What if I can’t do it?”
“Try your best.”
“What if my best isn’t good enough?”
“It’s good enough for me”
God, I really hope this does well enough for another season.
 
I was watching Courage the Cowardly Dog today and it made me realize that like Johnny Bravo, this show couldn't be made today. The Indian doctor and the amusingly obnoxious Asian guy alone would get it in trouble.
 
I was watching Courage the Cowardly Dog today and it made me realize that like Johnny Bravo, this show couldn't be made today. The Indian doctor and the amusingly obnoxious Asian guy alone would get it in trouble.

The Asian guy's a caricature of, and is played by, one of the storyboarders on the show. Clearly he had no problem.

(Did I ever tell you how I was on vacation once and I saw a guy ahead of me in line who looked just like him?)
 
The Asian guy's a caricature of, and is played by, one of the storyboarders on the show. Clearly he had no problem.

(Did I ever tell you how I was on vacation once and I saw a guy ahead of me in line who looked just like him?)
Sadly, it wouldn't matter to the SJWs. I learned an interesting fact that the gutsy episode, The Mask, was the reason the show ended up going off the air. Though it handled its subject matter with subtly and tact.
 
Sadly, it wouldn't matter to the SJWs. I learned an interesting fact that the gutsy episode, The Mask, was the reason the show ended up going off the air. Though it handled its subject matter with subtly and tact.
No, it wasn't. That episode came in the fourth season, and CN's shows generally only lasted that long unless they were big hits (that's why Dexter's Laboratory and Ed, Edd n Eddy got renewed). CN just decided not to pick up more episodes. It was a hit, but not that big a hit.
 
The Asian guy's a caricature of, and is played by, one of the storyboarders on the show. Clearly he had no problem.
Well at least there's that, not that it won't stop someone unaware of it from bitching anyway. People don't have thick skins anymore.

(Did I ever tell you how I was on vacation once and I saw a guy ahead of me in line who looked just like him?)
Sometimes life imitates art (or the other way around)!

No, it wasn't. That episode came in the fourth season, and CN's shows generally only lasted that long unless they were big hits (that's why Dexter's Laboratory and Ed, Edd n Eddy got renewed). CN just decided not to pick up more episodes. It was a hit, but not that big a hit.
Well, at least it wasn't the case of unpopular opinion or someone trying to 'make a difference'.
 
This show randomly popped in my head today. It only lasted like 6 episodes.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=u4haOqHcp-g
And probably for a good reason, too.

Thinking back to the mess of stereotyping in animation, I reminded myself of something Chuck Jones once said about why they used animals over humans in animated cartoons. This passage comes from his 1989 autobiography "Chuck Amuck" (1989)....

"In animated cartoons, we do generally prefer animals to humans. First, if your story calls for human beings, use live action. It is cheaper, quicker and more believable. If, as a director, I could train a live coyote and a live road runner to act, I would use them. I am an animator and an animation director; therefore, I look for characters that cannot be done in live action. That is what animation is all about; it is an extension beyond the ability of live-action motion pictures. Second, as said, it is easier to humanize animals than it is to humanize human beings; we are surrounded by human beings; we are subconsciously and consciously critical of other human beings according to how they deviate from our own behavior or from standards of behavior we approve of. Therefore, to many of us, everyone who looks like a cokehead is a cokehead. Everyone who looks like a bum is a bum. But, if so, what about the talent of Theodore Dreiser, who looked like an unmade bed? If all wimpy-looking people are wimps, what about Woody Allen?

"It is in order to avoid these stereotypes that animators, as well as Aesop, Kipling, La Fontaine, E. B. White, Beatrix Potter, Felix Salten, Walt Kelly, and countless other writers, turned to animals. People look at rabbits or ducks or bears as a class rather than individuals, though it is true we stereotype these classes. We classify all snakes as repulsive or dangerous, when fewer than one snake in a million can or will harm us. We are revolted by spiders, when most spiders are beneficial to mankind and only one spider in a million is harmful to man, and then, like the snake, only if provoked.

"Working against these stereotypes, animation directors and writers have attempted to explode human prejudices: E. B. White's heroine in Charlotte's Web was a spider; one of Rudyard Kipling's heroes in The Jungle Book was a thirty-foot python who loved a small boy, not as an hors d'oeuvre, but as a friend. Bugs Bunny grew into a comic hero with the kind of human characteristics we admire and laugh with, because no one would expect a rabbit to have any personality at all. After all, rabbits are rabbits, aren't they? Just as with Daffy Duck, a wimpy duck with the ego of a Stallone--come now, ducks quack, that's about it with ducks. how about Pepe Le Pew? A skunk with an overwhelming confidence in his own desirability?"

It goes on and on, but you get the idea. Somehow I remember reading this as an 12 year old and sorta thought that was interesting how he brought up on how we stereotype humans a lot (via caricature, etc.). I never thought about it like that before and it was a bit of an eye-opener the more I started looking into animation.
 
And probably for a good reason, too.

Thinking back to the mess of stereotyping in animation, I reminded myself of something Chuck Jones once said about why they used animals over humans in animated cartoons. This passage comes from his 1989 autobiography "Chuck Amuck" (1989)....



It goes on and on, but you get the idea. Somehow I remember reading this as an 12 year old and sorta thought that was interesting how he brought up on how we stereotype humans a lot (via caricature, etc.). I never thought about it like that before and it was a bit of an eye-opener the more I started looking into animation.
I think we have that book in my house.

Edit: We still have it.
 
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I got to be the only one here to say that Jetix was never really good for anything besides reruns of old stuff from the 90s. It took up way too much of Toon Disney back when it was a thing.
 
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