What are your opinions on this reddit chain calling it hypocritical for right wingers to be pro free speech yet creating "safe spaces"?

[foreman 89]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTrumpSupporters/comments/1cukose/meta_thread_q2_2024/l4kxgq7/

The reddit user opens by asking why conservatives value free speech when "White supremacists" are banned on twitter but not when conservative beliefs are being challenged. He then points out how a lot of right wingers supposedly live in echo chambers in relation to events like the capitol riot or covid and that right wingers are "100%" acting like snowflakes they claim leftists are. He also states right wing beliefs do not stand up to scrutiny if they are unable to challenge facts and have to censor. Further down the chain he states that right wing votes based on "lies" negatively impacts his and that a feedback loop is created by the way ATS is moderated.
Asktrumpsupporters is largely ran and moderators by Trump supporters and the sub has specific rules for how leftists can engage with Trump supporters.
He also states that he is tired of the idea that right wing views are censored saying " No, no one is censoring you for advocating for a free market, lower tax rates, individual rights, more police, a strong family, or even traditional views around family. If you cannot express those views without hate I think that says a lot about your views."

What are your opinions on the arguments that reddit user has raised and if you are right wing how would you refute them?

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

I think he's a fag and his shit's all retarded. "People" like this aren't worth acknowledging in any way, there is nothing you could say to them that would change their positions in the least and they have no knowledge or insight of value to anyone. You could literally launch 95% of the reddit userbase into the sun and hardly anybody would notice.

Thus, why bother engaging?

 

[foreman 89]

I think he's a fag and his shit's all retarded. "People" like this aren't worth acknowledging in any way, there is nothing you could say to them that would change their positions in the least and they have no knowledge or insight of value to anyone. You could literally launch 95% of the reddit userbase into the sun and hardly anybody would notice.

Thus, why bother engaging?

Not asking you to change his opinion just what do you think of his points?

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

What are your opinions on the arguments that reddit user has raised and if you are right wing how would you refute them?

I would counter by pointing put that niggers are stupid, and a major source of violent crime, urban decay, sexually transmitted diseases and illiteracy. This would immediately be censored on reddit, thus refuting his point.

 

[foreman 89]

I would counter by pointing put that niggers are stupid, and a major source of violent crime, urban decay, sexually transmitted diseases and illiteracy. This would immediately be censored on reddit, thus refuting his point.

What do you think of the last point he raised - " No, no one is censoring you for advocating for a free market, lower tax rates, individual rights, more police, a strong family, or even traditional views around family. If you cannot express those views without hate I think that says a lot about your views."?

 

[rrtyui]

Completely off target. None of what he listed is conservative. The status quo has been tranny neo-marxism for the past ten years. The perception of right wingers as "Conservative" is just a method of further radicalizing leftist cattle.

No, no one is censoring you for advocating for a free market, lower tax rates, individual rights, more police, a strong family, or even traditional views around family. If you cannot express those views without hate I think that says a lot about your views.

"Without hate" is the part of this argument that makes it impossible to engage with. Everything is hate to the bugman freaks on reddit. The definition changes minute to minute, depending on the person you ask, and depending on the context.

K.Y.S.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

Not asking you to change his opinion just what do you think of his points?

Did you read the first sentence? He's stupid, wrong, and the ways in which these are the case are so obvious that it doesn't need further elaboration. It's like if some fag went "Well I think the sky is red". No it's not. This argument he (and you) are starting has been hashed out literally thousands of times to roughly the same two results each time. In a censored space, it's decided that "le chuds are dum", in an uncensored space, it's decided that the entire thing is based on a false premise.

 

[Johnny Salami]

Ask him if he thinks this




is a woman

 

[Phoneposter]

take the heh pill reddit niggers
you might not even lose
maybe

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

If you cannot express those views without hate I think that says a lot about your views.

That "hate" is the magical alibi leftists use to censor their political opponents.

 

[Phoneposter]

That "hate" is the magical alibi leftists use to censor their political opponents.

they hate plenty of shit themselves
everyone hates something

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

The reddit user opens by asking why conservatives value free speech when "White supremacists" are banned on twitter but not when conservative beliefs are being challenged. He then points out how a lot of right wingers supposedly live in echo chambers in relation to events like the capitol riot or covid and that right wingers are "100%" acting like snowflakes they claim leftists are. He also states right wing beliefs do not stand up to scrutiny if they are unable to challenge facts and have to censor. Further down the chain he states that right wing votes based on "lies" negatively impacts his and that a feedback loop is created by the way ATS is moderated.

what a fucking stupid question from these redditors the only reason why there are "right wing safe spaces" is because dissenting opinions being banned for "misinformation" (aka we don't like what you have to say) pushed them into said echo chambers in the first place it wasn't by choice. We'd LOVE to speak openly on the public platforms but we're too busy being fucking banned for things that end up being true like 6 months later.

 

[Grub]

Safe spaces are kinda gay whoever's making them. But asking people not to be frothing retards and to engage in discussion in good faith, which I imagine is what this

and the sub has specific rules for how leftists can engage with Trump supporters.

means, is reasonable in any kind of public discourse.

 

[MadDisaster]

I think he's not wrong, but he's also missing the forest for the trees. Reddit, and many other areas of social media, classify such a wide variety of things as "hate" that it completely stifles free speech in those spaces at all. For example, reddit as a whole will not let any subreddit be female exclusive, even ones that should obviously be like lesbian groups, breastfeeding groups, or groups for endometriosis. Excluding trans women at all is "hate".

So, when hate goes beyond obvious slurs to just "things we don't like", It's easy to end up with bubbles that are disconnected from even regular opinions. People, at best, can express themselves in euphemisms.

It's exacerbated by the upvote system, which makes the most popular opinion the most commonly seen, making it more popular.

Where he is correct though is that most groups end up in a bubble of like-minded people just due to human nature, and how segregated the internet is. People don't usually want to fight all the time, or have the same fight over and over again just because someone new makes the same point. It gets tedious, and will drive people out of communities whether they agree or disagree, because it just becomes a shitty place to hang out.

Look at A&H here - you see the same things said over and over, and fewer people bother engaging to challenge, because they've done it before, been dog piled, and it stops being enjoyable to express contradictory opinions. There are Kiwis who are infamous just for being contrarians about views that are otherwise common on the site. They're the masochists. The less obstinate just go elsewhere on the site, and write A&H off as a cesspit of feral retards.

 

[Phoneposter]

Reddit, and many other areas of social media, classify such a wide variety of things as "hate" that it completely stifles free speech in those spaces at all.

the castrated cuckold enuches hate plenty of things
they just are not allowed in public to hate what the their masters hate
the bullshtting of the niggers is enough to turn them if not for censorship

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

There's some legitimate basis for these arguments, a lot of right-wing places are echo chambers every bit as much as the left. Beliefs that aren't debated or challenged get weird, just look at some of the shit people say on sites like ZeroHedge.

However, there are also counterpoints to his argument. You couldn't criticize COVID "science" or mandates, or LGBTQ issues, the Great Reset, or racial issues at all if your perspective didn't align with the left-wing orthodoxy in the tech oligopoly. People were being debanked with no explanation simply for going against the "consensus".

I don't have a problem with banning people from platforms for hate speech, I don't consider it a crime but it is definitely actionable by others. Personally I think just getting their asses kicked is the best way to teach people to watch their mouths.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

What do you think of the last point he raised - " No, no one is censoring you for advocating for a free market, lower tax rates, individual rights, more police, a strong family, or even traditional views around family.

He's objectively wrong. Try talking about traditional families without getting censored by Facebook, Reddit, etc. You aren't even allowed to promote same-sex couples instead of interracial couples without a bunch of dipshits suddenly attacking you and trying to cancel you.

 

[Phoneposter]

a lot of right-wing places are echo chambers every bit as much as the left.

NAH
8chan had censorship problems
but this bullshit has gotten out of hand

if you are still a poc/homo cocksuck today it is a result of censorship
it is not the same shit and good bros will fight until it is at least equal

 

[KittyGremlin]

why should anyone care what reddit has to say

 

[Phoneposter]

why should anyone care what reddit has to say

kids and normies browse reddit
ive seen the results personally tbh