What are your opinions on this reddit chain calling it hypocritical for right wingers to be pro free speech yet creating "safe spaces"?

foreman 89 said:
how would you refute them?
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I wouldn't. I don't consider redditors to be people. They don't deserve the respect of being engaged in good faith, because they are empty husks pretending to be people when they mindlessly parrot the latest accepted narrative. It's like arguing with your toaster that it should do better next time, after it didn't toast the bread enough.
 
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Seanut Arbuckle said:
what a fucking stupid question from these redditors the only reason why there are "right wing safe spaces" is because dissenting opinions being banned for "misinformation" (aka we don't like what you have to say) pushed them into said echo chambers in the first place it wasn't by choice. We'd LOVE to speak openly on the public platforms but we're too busy being fucking banned for things that end up being true like 6 months later.
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I remember a meme from years ago that I can’t find now but it basically pointed out that any social media site with lax moderation always ends up leaning right wing or libertarian (which are pretty much the same thing to retarded communists).

To people who say that right wingers enjoy safe spaces as much as leftists, I ask: what exactly is the alternative? Could a Nazi express his beliefs on reddit dot com or any mainstream social media site without being straight up banned? Also, most right wing sites won’t ban you for having a leftist opinion, you’ll probably just get made fun of which to leftists is tantamount to censorship even though it isn’t. Leftists cannot fathom being made fun of or people expressing wrongthink, hence why every site they moderate they do so with an iron fist.
 
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foreman 89 said:
What are your opinions on the arguments that reddit user has raised and if you are right wing how would you refute them?
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His entire argument is nothing more than obfuscation, gaslighting and ironic character attacks on a group of people whom he knows cannot directly respond or refute his claims. It's like standing outside the fence line of a prison and yelling "criminals are dumb" then snickering when nobody yells anything back.

Conservatives are generally banned and censored on every major website, social media and any other platform. Rare exceptions exist, but generally require conservatives to either self censor and walk on eggshells to avoid getting reported, or some sort of private room is required where conservative content isn't visible to the general public. The brave few who dare to challenge the status quo by posting conservative content in a popular public space are sure to get doxxed and harassed.

I've had multiple blogs on Tumblr over the last decade and every single one was a "discourse" blog where people were free to send me hate asks or even reblog my posts with counter arguments if they wanted to. With the exception of just a few specific lunatics, most people avoided me like the plague, reported my posts and celebrated each time I was banned.

By contrast, nothing stops leftists from entering the so-called "echo chambers" of conservatives. This redditor could come sign up an account here on Kiwi Farms today and he would not be banned or censored in any way, unless he annoyed Null to the point of forcing a response. Even then, worst case scenario he would get called mean names and have a pink triangle added to his account. Such people are not only allowed to continue to make fools of themselves, they are practically encouraged to do so. Take Android Raptor for example.

(No, please, TAKE her! /Joke)
foreman 89 said:
What do you think of the last point he raised - " No, no one is censoring you for advocating for a free market, lower tax rates, individual rights, more police, a strong family, or even traditional views around family. If you cannot express those views without hate I think that says a lot about your views."?
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This specific argument is a perfect example of how his argument is disingenuous. Supposedly we are allowed to advocate for our views, but we "cannot" do so without violating the ever-shifting tides of what leftists consider "hate!" It's an implicit admission on his part that he can and will censor us if we speak up too loudly and make any argument that would actually prove our views are correct.

He may as well say that it's acceptable to argue for gas powered cars, as long as you don't break the rules by mentioning gasoline. Or like Mr. Burns challenging you to justify why you shouldn't be fired without using the letter 'E' in your explanation.

If you allow people freedom of speech, but only up to the point where they say something you don't like, then it isn't actually freedom of speech.
 
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Seafarer said:
Could a Nazi express his beliefs on reddit dot com or any mainstream social media site without being straight up banned?
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I think that's kind of proving the point. If the people being banned are pushing extreme ideologies like Nazism that's not the same as banning someone for expressing conventional right-wing or conservative views.

Nazism isn't even a right-wing ideology, it's a weird hybrid of left-wing and right-wing beliefs with the only real unifying factor being hatred towards others. That is definitely alien to the humanistic, Christian tradition underlying the right in the West.

Nor is it fascist, that is also completely separate even if there are some overlaps due to the influence of Italian Fascism. In fact you likely wouldn't be banned for advocating Falangist or Fascist policies because there isn't the hatred and genocidal violence inherent to Nazism.
 
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Abimelech said:
By contrast, nothing stops leftists from entering the so-called "echo chambers" of conservatives. This redditor could come sign up an account here on Kiwi Farms today and he would not be banned or censored in any way, unless he annoyed Null to the point of forcing a response. Even then, worst case scenario he would get called mean names and have a pink triangle added to his account. Such people are not only allowed to continue to make fools of themselves, they are practically encouraged to do so. Take Android Raptor for example.
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What about on a pro Trump site like Truth Social or Patriots.win (maybe parler too but I haven't used it before)? They actively ban any criticism of Trump.
 
Abimelech said:
Conservatives are generally banned and censored on every major website, social media and any other platform. Rare exceptions exist, but generally require conservatives to either self censor and walk on eggshells to avoid getting reported, or some sort of private room is required where conservative content isn't visible to the general public. The brave few who dare to challenge the status quo by posting conservative content in a popular public space are sure to get doxxed and harassed.
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might as well advance to being a reactionary in these situations
these masters of the people see it all the same
i can not tolerate "soft" opinions on rape and murder tbh
 
foreman 89 said:
What about on a pro Trump site like Truth Social or Donald.win (maybe parler too but I haven't used it before)? They actively ban any criticism of Trump.
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they will do the same for the sake of donald mcdonalds stepson and others
but if the niggers of the world have a problem with my people i will hear them
because i am not a nigger myself and submissive to stupid nigger shenanigans
 
foreman 89 said:
What about on a pro Trump site like Truth Social or Patriots.win (maybe parler too but I haven't used it before)? They actively ban any criticism of Trump.
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Those websites literally popped up because Trump was banned from social media. Yeah I think their policies are retarded but the only reason why they exist is because of leftist censorship.
 
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foreman 89 said:
What about on a pro Trump site like Truth Social or Patriots.win (maybe parler too but I haven't used it before)? They actively ban any criticism of Trump.
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irrelevant, none of those sites would exist if not for the original banning from the mainstream platforms. None of what you are saying would be an issue if conservatives or trump supporters had not been banned from what were essentially digital public forums (due to section 230) in the first place. Its likely that has to be done not to create a hugbox but to ensure the platforms they built don't turn into the places they were kicked from, again which would not be an issue if there was no banning in the first place for dissenting opinions.

I mean this entire discussion is just absurd, the platform these complaints are coming from, reddit, has banned literally every subreddit to the right of romney since 2016 lmfao.

You don't get to cast people out from your platforms then cry when they do their own thing and implement their own rules. You already said you didn't want them, so don't complain about them after they've left your immediate sight.

If the concerns over conservatives being in a "safe space" were coming from a place of good faith they would not have banned them in the first place. This redditor you seem to be reposting here with would be crying to the heavens for thedonald to be restored
 
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Seafarer said:
because Trump was banned from social media
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trump should clean himself up because righteousness does not change
or maybe those homos who banned him should have changed
Seanut Arbuckle said:
You don't get to cast people out from your platforms then cry when they do their own thing and implement their own rules
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evil doers should be humiliated
even if it is just a few autists doing it
because what is right does not change

kek humiliate me if you know me it does not change the truth
 
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KittyGremlin said:
why should anyone care what reddit has to say
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Reddit is a huge website that millions of normalfags and teenagers use. The fact Reddit has a very clear left wing bias to the point of discriminating against opposing views should be a enough to raise concern that Reddit is abusing its power to influence the youth into keeping their views the dominant opinion.
 
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foreman 89 said:
What do you think of the last point he raised - " No, no one is censoring you for advocating for a free market, lower tax rates, individual rights, more police, a strong family, or even traditional views around family. If you cannot express those views without hate I think that says a lot about your views."?
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"Hate" means nothing anymore so this is just bullshit. "Hate" is right up there with "Nazi". Just doesn't mean shit.

Actual facts are "hate speech" now so of course people will have exclusive places where they can express themselves.

...which benefits no one. I personally prefer knowing where people really stand; not just what they're permitted to say.
 
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Silly ledditor

Freedom of speech is not the same thing as freedom of association

Your right to free speech does not mean you get to join a group to tell the members how they're all sweaty chuds who should be arrested for insurrookshun and sent to Gitmo or whatever
 
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