What caused the phenomenon of "Fact Checkers", "Debunkers" and especially "Peer Reviewed Sources"? - The politisation of fact checking is a disaster, and all by design.

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Well, we can’t all be experts in everything. We do need a priestly class to summarise key outcomes to us. The proliferation of data in today’s “information age” has only created a plethora of additional fields which in their totality overwhelm the ability of an individual to develop a deep expertise. This does necessitate a kind of “priestly class” of science communicators. The problem in recent years has been the “trust the science” zealots and the emergency of crackdowns on “anti-science” heresies.
I think, personally, that the key component of the problem is probably the fact that we've gotten to a point where there's just so fucking much information out there coming from so many sources (with so many of them having some seemingly legitimate claim to reliability) that the ability to discern what's actually, sincerely reliable has become a skill in and of itself. It's nowhere near as difficult as becoming a near-expert in everything from climate science, to immunology, to paleontology and human evolutionary biology, obviously, but it is something that has to be both taught and understood properly.

Throughout essentially all of human history, up until the last 35 years or so, an average person has really had only a handful of information sources. Early on, that might be the older members of your band, then the elders in your village or (if you were privileged enough to have access) a few philosophical, theological, and "medical" experts who could actually teach you a few things outside the range of what anyone would learn from personal experience or locally respected individuals over the course of a single human lifetime. What they believed was mostly nonsense (and, sometimes, bizarre nonsense) by modern standards, but it was nonsense grounded in the limited pockets of reality that they had access to. Unreliable, or just unorthodox, information was pretty strictly regulated, either socially or legally. Sometimes that was a good thing. At other times, it limited individual freedom of thought to a harmful degree and actively held society back. Either way, though, it resulted in a mostly homogenous local landscape when it came to a group's worldview and information access, and that's what we as a species have evolved to handle. Starting in the Early Modern Period, increasing access to print sources began to increase the number of information resources an average person could access, but we were able to cope with that. Not always very well, since information that clashed with traditional worldviews was often considered dangerous and potential malicious even if it was objectively true, but accurate information tended to win out in the long run. As late as 1990, major institutions with expert backing were seen as reliable by all but a few outliers in any given location, at least in the developed world.

Did that make it easier to spread propaganda? You can bet your ass it did. Senator Joseph McCarthy had his moment in the Sun as a media darling in the 1950s, despite having no evidence other than a claimed list of Communist infiltrators that nobody else ever got to see, because the media trusted Congress and the people trusted the media. Major moral panics similar in both framework and even actual content to Early Modern witchhunts, like the Satanic Ritual Abuse mass hysteria of the 1980s and early 1990s, even spread at times through sources generally seen as reliable. That was especially common during times of social conflict and upheaval, just as it always had been. It wasn't an unqualified positive, having only a few information sources, but it was relatively efficient when it came to filtering out deliberately malicious content and batshittery. Then, along came the Internet, and suddenly everyone had access to a megaphone and a soap box the height of a goddamn space elevator. Not everyone was heard, of course, but everyone theoretically could be, and that created a whole new information landscape where a doctor of genetic anthropology with thirty years of experience studying Euarchontoglire phylogeny at UCLA and a third-generation Church of Christ minister from La Vista, Nebraska whose sole source was a signed, first edition copy of The Genesis Flood had equal access to the public square and equal opportunity to explain how  Plesiadapus fit into the backstory of human civilization. At first, most people exposed to both still had the same social framework that they'd had for generations, but that was soon overwhelmed by the new world they were flooded with. Their children, who were fated to grow up with that all of that from a young age, never had any sort of inherited framework for separating truth from bullshit unless they learned it from somewhere else.

Add onto that, what have historically been seen as reliable sources are increasingly paywalling content, especially those that have the resources to put information out in a visually appealing, viewer-friendly format. It's understandable from a business perspective, but it still means that the majority of people who don't care enough to spend actual money on accessing them, specifically (as opposed to receiving them via antenna, or as part of a package deal with other cable channels like their parents), are going to have a choice of shoddy-looking reliable resources, or information packaged as entertainment by social media users who can get by on ad revenue. Not all of those are unreliable but, without societal structures to function as arbiters of reliability, most people really can't judge the difference in accuracy between content from PBS Eons' and Answers in Genesis' YouTube channels based on anything other than how slickly they're presented. That's a terrible guide post, but reality is what it is, and it matters more than what sources a video cites to the average person who only holds a high school diploma or an associate's degree.

Online echo chambers also magnify the effect of that flood of information by pushing people to extreme new orthodoxies, politicizing facts, and often tainting even historically reliable resources. When a formerly trustworthy source starts spouting dogma, and universities begin developing unwritten rules for what research gets funded and what outcomes can be safely published, people who don't buy into the associated ideologies wholesale get pushed even further into the stream of total bullshit. The rise of genuine misinformation is a result of those two factors amplifying one another. There's too much information to reliably assess without social filters that no longer exist, and sources that were once favored by those social filters are going through a cycle of promoting bullshit again, this time because of political polarization and gatekeeping rather than mass hysteria. Where historically that would have led to a short-lived flare of briefly damaging but ultimately unimpactful public opinion shifts, our historically unprecedented ability to question "reliable" mass media (which should theoretically be a good thing; the Satanic Panic might have been a blip on the radar in the big picture, but real people got their lives completely and utterly fucked) is now driving people straight into the arms of complete charlatans and malicious woo peddlers every time news anchors say something that clashes with observed reality.

I'm not really sure what the solution is, at this point, or if there even is one. There's a decent chance that the Information Age is going to get so overwhelming that it collapses into a singularity, where the flood of misinformation rises to a level where it has to be stopped by someone, and that someone may not actually have a worldview in touch with reality. We, as a species, unfortunately have a need for that just like we have a need for food, water, and socialization. If there's no healthy food, no sure spring, and no stable community, people will eat rotten meat, drink from a stream filled with shit, or join a cult. Without a reliable source of clear, simple truth (whether factually correct or not), people can and will turn to dictatorship to shut down the presses.
 
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All of this started as a public-facing thing (fact checkers have been an internal aspect of newspapers and news rooms for a long time) when the legacy media started to see its grip on public opinion start to fail. This was threatening to TPTB because the legacy media have always been lapdogs for establishment power and, in many cases, are involved in outright fascistic collision with them.

Blindly trusting The Expert Class has become a political and class signifier on the left, so they feel especially compelled to stick to "authoritative sources."
 

What caused the phenomenon of "Fact Checkers", "Debunkers" and especially "Peer Reviewed Sources"​


im trying to remember if it was gamergate or the trump election that preceded fact checkers as a website provided thing on placed like facebook. im going to lean more towards trump. either way it was a reaction by the liberal elite to unexpected and unfavorable phenomenon in the culture of white people.
 
I seem to remember it originating in the Shrub years There were obviously things that would equate to factchecks before then and maybe even the term was used for it but I didn't notice the term until this time. It accelerated during trump but it didn't start with him I think.

Regardless, its a meaningless term now since the process has been so thoroughly politicized. Leading the charge was Snopes which started as a fun little kitschy site about common everyday urban legends but morphed into the gatekeeper of truth for the left.
 
It doesn't matter what the truth is, when you control the context of how people look at that truth.

That's why there is a push for factcheckers during a presidential debate.

Ideally factcheckers are there to guard the truth. Ideally the watchmen guard your wife against suitors. But who watches the watchmen?

There was a time when factcheckers were very cooperative with other factcheckers, those that would hold them to account. This is already long gone. Politifact, snopes, mainstream journalists don't cooperate with other factcheckers.

Just control the context.
 
im trying to remember if it was gamergate or the trump election that preceded fact checkers as a website provided thing on placed like facebook. im going to lean more towards trump.
The use of fact checkers by social media companies goes back to a little after the 2016 US General Election. They were around before then, and have probably been a thing since the 1990s at the latest (I know that at least Snopes and probably Politifact were around in 2007, and Snopes' website at the time looked dated), but they only started popping up as a default thing on certain posts in the late 2010s at the earliest. It really took off around 2020, with the General Election that year and the Covid-19 Pandemic.

Gamergate might have reflected major underlying societal and public opinion shifts, but it wasn't something that registered for most people as a significant event in and of itself, and I don't think anybody outside of the people directly involved really cared that much about the claims being leveled against various journalists. Basically everything about the response in the mainstream media dealt with the public reaction to the accusations that were being made, rather than the accusations themselves. Using fact checkers to add context rather than to say whether something happened or not can be riskier, since it involves making value judgments beyond "X did or didn't happen", so there wasn't enough impetus to implement them based on that. Basically, Gamergate was just an Internet thing based on unproveable claims that a woman slept with a reviewer to get positive feedback. It would have had to have been via some indirect back channel, since he only mentioned Depression Quest once, in passng, and there's just no evidence that that actually happened. In that sort of situation, threats of death and/or rape against the accused are the topic under discussion, and trying to put those in context as either representative of the public response or the work of a few bad actors risks souring opinion.
 
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im trying to remember if it was gamergate or the trump election that preceded fact checkers as a website
Trump election. The only people who went on about Gamergate were faggots who should have killed themselves and certainly do so if they're still talking about it now.
 
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It was around before but covid was really the point where it fell off a cliff. Before that there weren’t really any issues that the mainstream was so united on pushing. Before that I think it was mostly a response to how stupid the evangelical conservative push was in the early 2000s. It was an over reach and presented similar problems but was essentially the lefts version of that
 
To be fair, it's always nice to have a single statement with several third-party sources added onto it. Chatgpt could be right in 100% of cases and it'd still be sketchy to me that it says "Orange is orange colored" with no sources or external dialogue.
 
Fact checkers fall into the same category as censoring objective hatespeech, actually common sense gun laws, and even car inspection regulations. These are all at face value agreeable things to have but in reality soon serve as a vector to force through whatever trite is desired by those in power. With gun laws they are expanded to get as much gun grabbing as possible, hatespeech censorship expands to censor anything the establishment doesnt like and cover up corruption exposure, and car inspection regulations eventually turn into a vector to ram through whatever horse shit environmental regulation that couldnt get through the normal legislative process (I live in a deep blue state so your mileage on that one may vary). Like everything else fact checkers are something that are desired however they turned into a vector of censorship and information control. Whatever damage misinformation can do pales in comparison to what censorship does. With how bad the abuse became axing them completely was preferable only so they couldnt be used as a vector of information control.
 
At its core, what the Deep State sought to do, and successfully did, was fracture reality. The US Government spent years doing these thought experiments and eventually came to one conclusion, mass divide and overabundance of information can cause the Complete Death of Truth Itself as a concept. From there, multiple realities will begin to exist. They have effectively destroyed the concept of Truth.

Something people don't necessarily understand about Truth is that truth isn't necessarily a hard concept but rather more of an abstract one who's limited solely by experience. Humans in general are defined by their experiences. What is true to me isn't necessarily true to you. What we've done over the years is yield experience to tried and tested truths. Opinion and truth are intertwined on a psychological level because you pick and choose what you consider truth subconsciously and those choices are filtered by experiences. I can tell you the sky is blue. We all accept that it is, even though we know for a fact it isn't. However, for the sake of not being an absolute faggot, we choose to just say the sky appears blue therefore it is blue even if it isn't actually blue. We filter these concepts before accepting them as Truth and we yield to truth out of experience, outside knowledge, and a little bit of faith. Gravity might be a universally accepted truth, but if we told that to someone who grew up in space, gravity wouldn't be a hard "truth" to them.

Governments took advantage of this concept by breeding obedience in schools and yielding to authority. They created the system of scientific discussion by telling you that you are not allowed to put your own in opinions or views in an Academic paper. They convinced students the only way they should communicate is by saying peer reviewed academic statements with no thoughts of their own inserted. Thinking for yourself is bad, pleb. Yield to the Church of Science. What this ultimately did was remove the filter of experience from your thought process. So on a thought level whatever they told you, must be truth. Really, really dumb people like Vaush were very susceptible to this. Smarter people don't do this. The whole point though was to breed out free thinking because they found out that people who do not free think also will go a step beyond and instinctually try to shame and dissuade others from free thinking and sharing their opinions. What this ultimately results is in people willing to ignore experience and refusing to believe their lying eyes in favor of Church of Government Issued Truth and creating a cult to overwhelm one side's truth with theirs. Once big enough, like Puss In Boots, the lie becomes just as perceptually valid as the truth to those who are uninformed.
 
Yet, at the same time, they somehow fell for a dramatic thing where they don't believe anything other than their own worldview - something in which I have never seen at any other point in history.
Socrates actually talks about this type of intellectual folly so it's been around a while. I tried to find the exact quote but it's a super long one so I don't think it made it into the famous quotes of his that are flung around. The basic message was, "Once you believe you have obtained all knowledge and thus refuse to allow new knowledge into your mind if it doesn't align with your current worldview, it is in this moment that you are in the most danger of being wrong."

TL;DR people have been huffing their own farts for a very long time.
 
What caused the "FACT CHECKED!" phenomenon?

The Changes to Smith-Mundt that Obama signed into law.
 
Unbelievable. I can't just lie to people anymore; they have their own intel to check against. Mossad, can we get some bans on these chucklefucks?
 
Basically, Gamergate was just an Internet thing based on unproveable claims that a woman slept with a reviewer to get positive feedback. It would have had to have been via some indirect back channel, since he only mentioned Depression Quest once, in passng, and there's just no evidence that that actually happened. In that sort of situation, threats of death and/or rape against the accused are the topic under discussion, and trying to put those in context as either representative of the public response or the work of a few bad actors risks souring opinion
It's worth pointing out. Gamergate happened in part because there was the gamejournopro mailing list, where they could coordinate a PR response like activists rather than expose like journalists.

Gamejournopros mailing list was started as a copy of the journolist that was a comparable scandal in mainstream news of left wing journalists doing pretty much the same with regular news.

I don't think either had a very strong influence on the whole modern factchecking scam.

A society needs its priests to interpret new discoveries and their meaning. Because we destroyed most of the power of religious institutions, does not mean that people are suddenly all freethinkers. We always are and we always arent. We are in the sense that anyone can try to resist any idea. We aren't in the sense that it's really hard to engage with complex subjects on a deep level.
The majority of people don't have the tools to do so, so even in an egalitarian minded society, you the ideas broken down for everyday folk.

The question of "Source?" is typically not to verify the accuracy, as it should be, but to be able to attack the knowledge. "I read it in breitbart" --> nonsense, "disgraced nobel prize winner" --> nonsense. This way information can be controlled because even any person with a prestigious academic background can become disgraced by virtue of opposing certain ideas. It's so common to be disingenuous that when I ask for a source, I know I have to sound sympathetic: "Oh I never knew, do you remember where you got that from?"

Both priests and factcheckers perform a similar role in their relation to information and truth and how they disseminate it to larger crowds.

I've noticed that most people who ask for a source never engage with research papers to begin with, but that may be because I don't have a scholarly background either so I converse with other riffraff like my and yourself. I might mention it was published in nature and they may ask me if that's just a magazine.

Or they go to snopes, read the headline and tell me I'm wrong and never engage any deeper than that, even if the snopes article itself agrees with my premise. I can almost hear them say "Ain't nobody got time for that!" and because people don't have the time, you need these priests or journalists or factcheckers to tell you what to think. Developing it yourself is an arduous journey that few take and tends to be a little lonely. And you might arrive at very wrong conclusions anyways.
 
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I feel like the turning point came at some point between the 2016 and 2020 elections,
A lot of good points and detailed explanation.

But I think it is missing one key moment that really affected the culture in 2016, Trump saying "Fake News" and the meltdown that it generated.
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Expressions related to fact checking also became more popular recently, but the raise is less marked
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I think the old guard news sources also became afraid of citizen journalists and new news organizations that were created. It directly challenged their power and capability of doing their job (presumably of telling the "truth"). This was very clear in 2016 when no on expected that Trump would win.

Also, I think stuff like gamergate did not have a direct impact on wider society. The majority of the population still has no idea what it is. However, the skeptic internet culture, the gamergate, the liberal redditors who were starting to increase in numbers, did lay the groundwork for the creation of the new media showed how news organizations could thrive by only having the support of internet niches (yes, the gaming community is a niche, a big one, but it is not a mainstream audience)
 
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