What causes low birthrates?

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

Let's settle this once and for all

 

[Internet Wizard]

Men treating women like shit and patriarchal/work ethic-fetishistic society putting economic value over living.
The more a country wants to make money, the worse they treat their women and the lower their birthrates (see: S Korea)
Women's lib didn't CAUSE low birthrates like some side effect, it gave women autonomy to actually partake in society on their terms somewhat. If they had the upper hand (as a lot of tards think) then they'd treat pregnant women much better than we currently do, and families would actually be encouraged.
(Sidenote: "lower birthrates" are objectively at face value a result of better healthcare and contraceptives. If you're in Nigeria your kids are probably going to die before age 5, so shitting as many out is the best shot at having a normal sized family. If you're in America the same isn't true. The ragebait maps you see saying Africa is exploding in population isn't entirely accurate, since child mortality fucks a good amount of the 0-5 population)

 

[jertzog]

Biologically: Microplastics in our testicles and women's ovaries.
Psychologically/Economically: Jews psyopping women to be promiscuous in their spare time and professional in their jobs that only exist so they wouldn't have to rely on prostitution or charity to survive. It's illegal in most of the first world to fire a woman for getting pregnant, but they value their work reputations so highly that they can't fathom inconveniencing others with their sinecure workloads.

 

[Screamer_2]

People don't feel independent securely enough to even think about having kids.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Industrial society(requiring more knowledge to do work than before).
Nowadays if you're having a child, you're missing out on valuable time that you could utilize to study or further your career. Also you need to invest in your child: good kindergarten, good school, college, etc, so that it grows up to be successful and not some burger flipper earning a minimum wage.
Compare that to pre-industrial society: you're likely a peasant, all education you need is your parents teaching you how to do farm work and you won't have a career. Also, you can get your child to help you out at a relatively young age.
Therefore, having a child in post-industrial age is ironically more risky than in pre-industrial.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Pretty much what's already been said.

Psychologically/Economically: Jews psyopping women to be promiscuous

Your wife left you cause you treated her like shit, huh?

 

[Chilson]

Look up the "rat utopia" experiments for something close to an understanding of what is happening.

Giving a laymen's answer, when populations are packed together in near utopian conditions the stress of being surrounded by others and the boredom from being provided everything they need leads to extremely abnormal behaviors to stimulate/relieve the mind that will pretty much inevitably lead to both the inability to reproduce and extremely high mortality rates for the few young who are produced.

We are not at Rat Utopian levels thankfully, but developed societies nearing utopian standards of living and packed into urban area's exhibit similar abnormal behaviors in particular groups of people. Leading to the subsequent decline of offspring as females become uninterested in rearing young and males become more reclusive to avoid everyone else (including the females who kind of need them to breed).

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

Housing crisis due to lack of affordable homes, places to rent, and overly-strict laws around owning land in the United States that prevent the average person from planting their roots to any single location. As a result, adults do not feel stable enough in their life to be able to properly raise children without relying on government services.

NIMBYs (not in my back yard) stifle progress by protesting any apartment building or home construction that occurs in their empty neighborhoods comprised of empty nests and engage in reverse mortages (which eliminate potential for younger generations to inherit property).

Most recent graduates of high schools and universities have to uproot themselves from their hometown in order to find affordable housing. An additional side effect to forcing young people to uproot themselves is that it causes them to lose pride in their community. This leads to filthier cities, more graffiti, more addictive substance abuse in public, more destruction and apathy.

Rent prices ranging from $700-4000 depending on area almost explicitly makes rent impossible for the average American who earns less than $50,000/year. Even with good credit, there are lots of gatekeepers preventing young people from owning homes such as credit companies demanding you have "long term debts" to demonstrate you can pay off mortgages and loans or bizarre zoning laws preventing the construction of modular homes that a rapidly growing, low income generation desperately need.

As a result, young adults right out of highschool must rely on their parents for housing and/or government programs instead of getting started on their lives. Adults ages 25-35 in their prime reproductive ages still living with family instead of having a private living space.

Guarantee, once people have a nice home they can reside in the babies will boom.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Without any type of communal or social security anyone who thinks before reproducing doesn't do it. Most of the excess from people's work doesn't actually strengthen their communities, it just winds up being profits that get spirited away by whichever corporation or government they're currently working to support.

It's well known that the value of what people get paid hasn't kept up with the increase in living costs, but even that doesn't take into account all the more intangible benefits that people used to have.

The one person above is correct in that it is "riskier" at least for regular people to have a child, but that's because regular people have been disempowered (maybe due to lack of collective bargaining, idk) which has led to a situation where they have to be extremely competitive and consistent in order to obtain a sense fo security, despite the tremendous excesses of the modern world. Because again, most of that gets taken away and squandered by the system, and communities are totally fragmented.

Look up the "rat utopia" experiments for something close to an understanding of what is happening.

That's true, except a major point there is that the rat utopia experiments involved a bunch of small organisms being provided for and sequestered into limited space entirely be a completely dominant force that ensured they had no chance of escaping, and which they had no chance of competing against. They were totally powerless to do anything else except exist in their little enclosure.
Meanwhile the humans who were in control outside that enclosure kept going just fine.

There is still plenty of room for human population to expand, the entire midwest of the US is basically nothing except empty fields. So if a rat utopia situation is starting to arise, then there's something enforcing it.

Men treating women like shit and patriarchal/work ethic-fetishistic society putting economic value over living.

Darkies and welfare recipients: known as the greatest woman respecters. Or I assume they are, since they're reproducing more and you said the reason for falling birth rates is because men are mean to women.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Honestly it seems no one really knows. Economic factors sound convincing but some countries like Hungary have spent millions and millions of dollars incentivizing having children by making home ownership more obtainable and other factors, scandi countries have strong welfare nets etc but nothing seems to help much.

Example https://fortune.com/europe/2024/08/...ate-has-still-fallen-to-a-record-monthly-low/

For other factors, India isn’t exactly a bastion of women’s rights but the birth rate is plummeting. Famously so is Japan’s even though there’s pressure on women to get married and have kids and hormonal birth control isn’t popular there.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

A variety of factors, and the nuances depend on the country you're looking at; I think the only place where the birth rate isn't steadily declining is West Africa but don't quote me on that. The most obvious answer isn't an option in the poll, which is the massive decline in infant/child mortality + the massive incline in life expectancy. Babies and prepubescents aren't dying anywhere remotely close to the rate they used to, and in some parts of the world life expectancy has nearly tripled. No shit women are having less babies. The availability of birth control (for men and women) is just the icing on the cake. West Africans are just too retarded to use birth control.

 

[PaleTay]

I do blame the internet for showcasing the reality of many long-term relationships, and the over-inflation of women's expectations. For society to have a higher birthrate a bunch of 4s and 5s need to settle for a bunch of other 4s and 5s and work really hard to raise kids and create a healthy family but that doesn't happen at nearly the rate it would need to.

 

[Jex]

I remember being taught in school that we were going to have an overpopulation problem, funny that.

 

[urr13 account]

- Fatness: this is the main one, fat acceptance is the worst thing to happen to society in 5,000 years
- Economic Factors: people generally want to be able to afford a home if they are going to have children rather than trying to pack everybody into a shitty apartment.
- Divorce/Child Support/Alimony: Fear of Divorce/Having children only to have them taken away, only see them on weekends while you have to pay money each month to the woman and new guy she's banging who is probably molesting your kids

 

[Lichen Bark]

Smartphones/screens and the internet cause low birth rates. People spend more time online looking at "content" and much less time socializing. You only have 14-16 hours in a day, if you spend 6 hours (40% of your time awake) in front of a screen oblivious to anything else you are less likely to breed.

I did an experiment where I cut all internet, every kind of entertainment, including books out of my life for two weeks, and by the end of those two weeks my local social circle grew, and I was actively trying to think how I might be able to get 1 date a month. Once I got plugged back in most of that drive went away.

It's technology, specifically the kind that is designed to captivate your attention, that's causing the low birth rates. Obviously this will upset some people, but it's true.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Children cost more than ever and produce virtually nothing. They were always a net economic benefit in earlier, primarily agricultural societies.

 

[rogfromthedead]

Men treating women like shit and patriarchal/work ethic-fetishistic society putting economic value over living.

LOL. I'm sure there's an inverse correlation between women's rights and birthrate in a country. A small reason why birthrates are lower is because more women nowadays can chose if they want kids, it isn't as much of a martial/societal obligation.

 

[Internet Wizard]

A small reason why birthrates are lower is because more women nowadays can chose if they want kids, it isn't as much of a martial/societal obligation.

If you're being utilitarian, isn't this good as it means the kids that are born are raised in better conditions?

Darkies and welfare recipients: known as the greatest woman respecters. Or I assume they are, since they're reproducing more and you said the reason for falling birth rates is because men are mean to women.

Do darkies and welfare recipients make good parents? If you'd be fine with the same thing they're doing but with white skin, then be prepared to raise a generation of wiggers with no future. Quality > quantity

 

[Squishie PP]

The fundamental reason is that we are in a period of resource abundance, and human beings and most other complex organisms are not well-adapted for resource abundance. There was an animal experiment done in the 1960s where a bunch of rats were given access to infinite amounts of food water, and entertainment inside of a confined space. The TL;DR is that the rats became overpopulated, and this caused the rats to exhibit sexually abnormal and violent behaviors, and for the social order to be disrupted as a result. The rats also stopped having children as frequently, and also stopped caring for the few children that they did have. By the end of the experiment, infant mortality had gone up to 80-96%.

The paper that describes the experiment is "Population Density and Social Pathology." I attached the paper itself, it is definitely worth a read. There are quite a lot of parallels between this "rat utopia" and our own society.
Ninja-edit: Of course the major difference between the rats and us is that in human civilization, (((malicious actors))) can take advantage of our resulting social pathologies for geopolitical gain, but the experiment kind of sort-of paralleled this too, if you read it.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Do darkies and welfare recipients make good parents? If you'd be fine with the same thing they're doing but with white skin, then be prepared to raise a generation of wiggers with no future. Quality > quantity

We're discussing why birthrates are low, not debating whether it's a good thing that they are. Holy shit, you're such a fucking retard that you forgot what the thread is about.