What causes low birthrates?

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  • Industrial society (pollution, goyslop, modern medicine)

  • Internet service economies

  • Economic factors (people getting richer)

  • Economic factors (people getting poorer)

  • Women becoming more educated

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  • The Truth (industrialization + service economy + illuminati)

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Didn't we have a low life expectancy mostly because of child and birth mortality? As in, women once they reached 12 had an almost similar life expectancy as today if they had the equivalent number of children women have today? Genuinely asking.

(I understand birthing has become a lot safer, but if women had only 1.5 children wouldn't they be expected to reach 60-65 pretty commonly even in roman times?)
Yeah, most people managed around the mid 60s, and very rarely, early 70s or even into the 80s. Today we are seeing the actual peak of human lifespan with all the 90+ people around. Obviously men would live longer in the past, however they would also be in occupations that were more hazardous to health and would still die at similar ages to the women as a result (or earlier in the cases of wars).
 
Yeah, most people managed around the mid 60s, and very rarely, early 70s or even into the 80s. Today we are seeing the actual peak of human lifespan with all the 90+ people around. Obviously men would live longer in the past, however they would also be in occupations that were more hazardous to health and would still die at similar ages to the women as a result (or earlier in the cases of wars).
Wouldn't that undermine your theory that women are reaching menopause because of health improvements, and therefor general fertility going down? Because the relationship seems to be inverse, that even before those health improvements they would reach menopause BECAUSE they were having less kids?
 
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Roe v. Wade and abortion.

Since it hasn't been brought up, let me nip it in the bud real quick: Roe v. Wade and the legality of abortion haven't had any statistically measurable effect on declining birthrates.
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Birthrates had already been declining and stabilized right before Roe was decided in 1973.

A quick Wikipedia search will tell you that most states had abortion bans before Roe.
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Wouldn't that undermine your theory that women are reaching menopause because of health improvements, and therefor general fertility going down? Because the relationship seems to be inverse, that even before those health improvements they would reach menopause BECAUSE they were having less kids?
I wasn't saying women gained menopause due to longer lifespans, it was more fertility goes down due to the long lifespans, and gave the example that mammals with long lifespans tend to also have the menopause. It was gained a long, long time ago in the evolutionary process, and it's also why I mentioned the theories surrounding it existing so elder females could pass on knowledge to the younger members that would otherwise be lost if they simply died once they stopped being fertile. Basically, just that ultimately, humans live a long time and gradually get less fertile the older they get. The menopause was just a fun fact.
 
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It's all about modern people being self obsessed, all the things listed are just cope arguments for why people can't find a fuck, or wouldn't advance to the point of the fuck. No one wants to stop his hedonism and spend the next 20 years being in charge of a potential tard baby.
You got the trashcan rating but the first part of your comment is right, most people today have no interest in forming a family. As someone from a third world country I have to laugh at the economical arguments as to why birthrates are low, rate me dumb too if you want for saying this but I think that people in first world countries are sheltered, and what they think are great crises or horrendous living conditions are the sort of things that someone in Uruguay would not sweat about, and in fact considers normal (and Uruguay is not Liberia).

Birthrates are not low because children are too expensive, I'm sure that if you made an excel spreadsheet of all of your expenses you will see that waste hundreds of dollars a month on average on things that can be downgraded or eliminated all together, and this number might in fact be more than a thousand, I talked to a KF user that complained about his economical situation while spending an absurd amount of money in gun related things, for example, used $4000 night vision goggles, and he was making 60k a year.
Birthrates are not low due to "patriarchal" society, in fact when a society is patriarchal birthrates go up, and birthrates are not low because you are too focused on making money either, you great-great grandpa had 6 kids and he was working all day, and when he got home he worked on fixing things, doing projects or having a small farm in his backyard as was common back in the day, yet he had time for kids.

Birthrates are low because both men and women don't care about it, but for different reasons: Women have feminism brain and think that having children is oppression, they think that having children young is "wasting" their youth and that they should either not get married at all, or only do so when they are close to being infertile, their mind is also focused on having fun and living in the moment "having experiences" rather than having children and taking care of them.

In the case of men they get their sexual fulfilling from porn rather than women (this was even admitted by that WEF guy that said they are trying to lower birthrates with porn); men also don't want to be men, they don't want to work like your great-great grandpa did in order to support a family, they don't care about being financially responsible because they are like women in the sense that they want to live in the moment "having experiences" but in a different way, and a lot of men don't even approach women anymore, you can see this in data too, you look at data and around 60% of men under 30 are single, and if you do a google search for marriage data 100 years ago in the 1910s 92% of people were married.

You have to admit that there is a masculinity crisis, it is double think to believe that there is an abundance of soyboys out there that only care about consuming games, anime and media like manchildren while also thinking that there is not a problem with masculinity in society.

It also has to be said that less and less people leave the house, in the past the internet did not exist, so in order to be entertained you either had to cultivate a hobby or leave the house to spend time with others, which meant that men and women would constantly interact, forming relationships and friendships, and of course this means that everyone would have adequate social skills, something that lacks today.

Women don't care about having children due to "Live, Love, Laugh" mentality, and feminism that makes them think that being a mother is being oppressed(and this goes double for being a stay at home mom) and men have their own version of "Live, Love, Laugh" where they don't want to work hard, be financially responsible or stop watching the adult videos, and a lot of men are not even approaching women in the first place.

My hypothesis is that the issue is almost exclusively cultural, maybe the solution is shaming? Whenever you see a man wasting his time, money or acting like an incel just shame him into being a man, "bro you are a man, how are you gonna get a wife if you are broke and watch anime all day? Go work lmao, anime is not hobby"; and when you see a woman talking about how she wants to "live life" and maybe get married in her mid 30s, shame her about how she will hit the wall and will have to settle with less than what she can get now, or shame her about how she will be a cat mom and an old lonely woman who will treat her nieces and nephews as her own to cope, maybe shame is the solution, Japan shames fat people and has less fat people, right?
 
Kids in 1850:
-Help you bring in the harvest
-Do all sorts of chores
-Half of them die of dysentery before puberty

Kids in 2020:
-Gotta pay for school shit
-Unless you're very frugal you're outsourcing childcare because the wife has to work
-They always make it to the parent-hating teenage emo period before you force them to indebt themselves to get a Bachelor's Degree.

Even ignoring the fact that the internet has made gender differences political and driven people younger than Gen X to basically never have sex, having kids nowadays is an entirely different ask for most Americans than it was even 100 years ago.
 
My hypothesis is that the issue is almost exclusively cultural, maybe the solution is shaming? Whenever you see a man wasting his time, money or acting like an incel just shame him into being a man, "bro you are a man, how are you gonna get a wife if you are broke and watch anime all day?
They already get shamed for being men. This won't solve anything. Give men something to live and die for and they will. Don't and they'll find something else while laughing as you rot, if they don't just kill themselves.
 
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Modern people are just bitch made, literally.
Ye Olde man could do it in between dying of the plague and being conscripted in holy wars. But in current year you have to wait for the stars to align and your 401k to go up before you even decide to try and that's if you have someone to try with and by that point you're shooting blanks in dead eggs.

I think the reasoning is simple. For 50,000 years of modern human nature selected for the ability to have children. Now we live in a world where there is no more nature to select for things. Instead the world we built selects for only the people who want children. So instead of everyone reproducing do to external and internal pressure only those who overcome the current pressures against reproduction do it.
 
Voted "industrial society (pollution, goyslop, modern medicine)", but liberalism in general also contributes, you know, live in a pod and kill babies.
 
Lower birthrates occur when a society gets to the point that younger people are demoralized from doing anything to get ahead in life, because all of their efforts will be worthless in the end. East Asian countries (China, Japan, and South Korea by far) are the notable examples of this.
 
You have to admit that there is a masculinity crisis, it is double think to believe that there is an abundance of soyboys out there that only care about consuming games, anime and media like manchildren while also thinking that there is not a problem with masculinity in society.
It's a popular KF talking point and it's full of shit due to idealizing a past as if almost every dude done physical labour up until few decades ago.

In the end the best proof for how full of shit it all is are Niggers and Spics. They eat the same food and get exposed to the same environmental hazards (if not more so), they are just as exposed to the anti natal culture, and feminism talking points. Yet they have more children than whites due to different social norms.

It's all culture, and I'm sick of people online talking on how they "totally gonna start a family after getting that perfect girl", and once that happens immediately go "actually I need 5M dollars to afford it".
 
In the end the best proof for how full of shit it all is are Niggers and Spics. They eat the same food and get exposed to the same environmental hazards (if not more so), they are just as exposed to the anti natal culture, and feminism talking points. Yet they have more children than whites due to different social norms.
Mexico has a lower fertility rate than the US.
 
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