What do left-leaning people even think the right is?

[The Ugly One]

The most extreme-right policy would be slavery, church is mandatory, and fags get thrown in the sea.
The most extreme-right policy would be slavery, church is banned, and fags get to groom your kids.

Someone who thinks we just shouldn't have slavery, church should be optional, and fags should keep to themselves in their fag clubs over on the fag side of town, is "fascist-adjacent."

 

[Book Thief]

It’s as childish as you’d expect. They either see the right as sister-fucking, Bible-beating rednecks just drooling for the opportunity to lynch some blacks or smear some queers. Or they see the right as a real life Rich Uncle Pennybags from Monopoly or some cruel Dickensian headmaster who would run over their own mother if they could financially profit from it.

You think I’m exaggerating but I lived in Portland Oregon, the leftist Mecca most of my life, that’s EXACTLY how these full grown adults think.

I can confirm this to be the case. I've been in conversation with one such individual online. At one point, they proceeded to offer me their impression of "the Right" is by saying "This is what the Right supports," and then sharing an image of a bald, bearded man with body armor and an assault rifle carrying a Nazi flag, with the implication that your average-Joe conservative supports mass shootings performed by radical extremists.

This is the brand of brainwashed lunatics they are. They think everyone who is against them is the absolute worst example of their enemies. The reality is they only support Communism because they have a very childish worldview. Not only do they have a Black-and-White binary view of morality, but they think imposing Communism will somehow make the concept of labor obsolete so that they can spend the rest of their days staying at home playing video games and shit.



They have no idea what "The Right" actually believes, nor do they much care. Their definition of "The Right" is "Anything that goes against my vision of a Labor-free Utopia."

 

[Shidoen]

I can confirm this to be the case. I've been in conversation with one such individual online. At one point, they proceeded to offer me their impression of "the Right" is by saying "This is what the Right supports," and then sharing an image of a bald, bearded man with body armor and an assault rifle carrying a Nazi flag, with the implication that your average-Joe conservative supports mass shootings performed by radical extremists.

This is the brand of brainwashed lunatics they are. They think everyone who is against them is the absolute worst example of their enemies. The reality is they only support Communism because they have a very childish worldview. Not only do they have a Black-and-White binary view of morality, but they think imposing Communism will somehow make the concept of labor obsolete so that they can spend the rest of their days staying at home playing video games and shit.

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They have no idea what "The Right" actually believes, nor do they much care. Their definition of "The Right" is "Anything that goes against my vision of a Labor-free Utopia."

That’s why I hate communists, they want to be lazy and have no labor. You can’t do both jackasses.

 

[GoysGoneWild]

It’s as childish as you’d expect. They either see the right as sister-fucking, Bible-beating rednecks just drooling for the opportunity to lynch some blacks or smear some queers. Or they see the right as a real life Rich Uncle Pennybags from Monopoly or some cruel Dickensian headmaster who would run over their own mother if they could financially profit from it.

You think I’m exaggerating but I lived in Portland Oregon, the leftist Mecca most of my life, that’s EXACTLY how these full grown adults think.

This is probably the most accurate one. I live in a 80-90% lefty area and this is how they talk amongst themselves. The "right" is a divide to these people. They think that the KoCh bRothERs are behind astrotrufing, gerrymandering and Citizens United lobbying to make people dumb and poor. They also think that the footsoldiers of this are the dumb, inbred, foaming at the mouth hillbillies who are CLEARLY just itching to invade the cities and string niggers up from lampposts.

Chronology of the modern left:
This weird and disjointed view of people has been festering for a while. The left has economic and social goals, and for a long time they have viewed themselves as being on the back foot and failing to achieve them. Think pot not being legalized, gays not being able to "marry", abortion, gun rights being expanded, the ERA failing, wars, unions collapsing, etc. They were right about a lot of that failing throughout the 80's and 90's. But so many of them blamed the nasty meany hwhite baptist hillbillies for all their problems. A common wail was and still is "why do they keep voting against their interests", referring to these stupid white rubes always voting for policies that the left views as being counter to their economic interests.

Thats where their arrogance starts to come into play. White christian hillbillies would always be pretty open about why they started to support Republicans overwhelmingly. It wasn't because they hated unions or even that they hated blacks or any of that shit. Its that they increasingly saw lefties as hating them; to a degree they were right. The left dropped common-man style economics a while ago and started pushing radical social change.

Protip to commies reading this: the vast majority of people around the world will absolutely sacrifice economics in favor of their culture staying alive. Economic classes are fun to talk about but they absolutely take a back seat to people's culture at the end of the day. You constantly wonder "why do the rubes keep voting against their economic interests?!?!?!". Well, frankly they usually tell you why up front, if you weren't so fucking arrogant you would listen. It is because the left has, for decades now, attempted to undermine and destroy these people's culture. That has been the priority. Anti religion, if not just straight up anti Christian (this coming from no friend of Christianity myself). Anti firearms. Anti family. All wrapped up in a general culture of arrogance towards these people. Dumb, bible thumping rednecks who are nothing but violent and reactionary.

Well its now decades later and no matter what economic bribes you throw their way (btw, we both know you aren't going to throw anything their way), they hate you now. Congrats.


Anyway, yeah, this poster more or less nailed it. The modern urbanite left sees the right as a bunch of white, hateful, dumb, religious rubes that more or less are a puppet army led by evil capitalist interests. More and more over the years, the emphasis has shifted from the "Evil capitalist interests" being the major problem and more and more towards the "white rurals" being the major problem. Hence why most lefty positions nowadays can mostly be boiled down to "whatever fucks with whitey the most".

 

[SaltyFanta]

Politics is very emotional. People's conception of politics are based on nostalgia. A lot of people grew up with Republican candidate they didn't like as an over-politicized child let loose on the Internet. So they think that politics is an endless fight of hateful Republican establishment against morally just Democrat underdogs. Not realizing that the institutions that make up America all support them.

It's increasingly obvious that for many it's an imagined battle between good and evil without principals. That's how you end up with 'left wing people' cheering that corporations have the power to police the internet when they take down KiwiFarms.

They belive the right is evil. Homophobia, transphobia, misogyny and racism. But at the core just evil. To a certain degree I think I was primed to end up thinking the same way, but for whatever reason I didn't.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Broadly they concieve of it the exact way the Hulkster screams about it, ie. that it’s a bunch of inbred dominionists that want to do handmaids tail irl. This is obviously not correct but they need it because they almost to a man adhere to something I call politics-as-religion. The modern Left’s formative neuroses were built out of the dying Religious Right from the Clinton and Bush years; and they can’t abandon that perception because it’s their analogue to Satan or Original Sin.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Considering how frequently the right acts shocked whenever their attempts to send out based black man fails ("wtf I thought you were mentally incapable of opposing minorities???"), you should probably be asking the opposite question.

 

[Wormy]

As a self described leftist, I can only answer "Which right winger or organization are we talking about?"

Also, glad to see thread contained all the glaring lack of self awareness expected from the question "Why do all those people we broadly call retarded evil Communist child mutilating devil worshippers HATE US?! What did we ever do to them?!"

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Right Wingers are people who tell me that I cannot do whatever I want to do whenever I want to do it and that there are consequences to my choices.

God, I hate them so much is unreal

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

As a self described leftist, I can only answer "Which right winger or organization are we talking about?"

Also, glad to see thread contained all the glaring lack of self awareness expected from the question "Why do all those people we broadly call retarded evil Communist child mutilating devil worshippers HATE US?! What did we ever do to them?!"

The burden of proof lies with you. Prove that you spiteful mutants aren't every last one of those things, because your optics are doing a shit job of proving your detractors wrong. Prove that you aren't actively going out and seeking a worse world for all of us to live in, under the guise of state-mandated niceness, the hysterics of climate politics, the genocidal wolf-in-sheep's-clothing that is Socialism/Communism, or the empty-handed egalitarianism of inter-party "unity" that we both know you don't fucking want.

That's not even factoring in all of the times you lie, which in Anno domini nostri Jesu Christi 2022, is every time you faggots open your cum-scented mouths.

Your ideology took only 15 years to go from sometimes agreeable, to hostile to life itself. You have absolutely no room to suggest anyone has a lack of self-awareness, when it took so little time for me to go from voting for your people, to wanting to kill every last one of you. My positions on core issues never changed in that time.You did that to yourselves by being nothing short of psychotic and malicious, and you have no room to complain that people want you to be put down like the rabid animals that you are when you can't stay ideologically consistent. Your self-defeating, thoroughly erratic, and hypocritical beliefs, constant pussyquivering over invisible nazis, phantom fascism, and X culture this and Dark/Ultra MAGA that, has absolutely decimated literally all of your credibility. Decimated to such a degree that maybe fascism is preferable to watching you people shit your pants over the most innocuous of transgressions. At least under fascism I get the same level of oppression, without having to see the disgusting and dysgenic freakshows that the left champion as their leadership and idols. If you're supposed to be the "right side of history", then I will sleep soundly, like a wee babyboy, being on the wrong side.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Your ideology took only 15 years to go from sometimes agreeable, to hostile to life itself

They always start agreeable, and I think this is where they win to their opponents. They will start from a reasonable position or a justifiable position and then move the goalpoasts towards something truly horrifying only to revert back to the original sales pitch when they get backlash and gaslight people into thinking they're opposing the original, reasonable, sales pitch. It's fucked up.

Whenever some right winger says "No more gay marriage" they usually mean "No more gay marriage" and they have stated so from the beginning. They typically don't try to ease people into their positions.

 

[Standardized Profile]

A perennial favorite thread, which usually brings up Haidt at some point:

If you believe Jonathan Haidt, the right has a five-dimensional morality comprising fairness, harm, loyalty, sanctity, and authority. The left tends to two-dimensional moral thinking, prioritizing fairness and harm. (We can debate the appropriateness of the labels, but as categories they seem to be reproducible.) I don't known if Haidt has gone this far, but it's my belief that the left's caricature of the right is the result of trying to smash loyalty, sanctity, and authority into the fairness+harm construct.

My takes:

The right respects authority because the existence of authority has been advantageous over an evolutionary timescale. Societies that have a well-defined authority survive, even if the person in authority is occasionally awful. Societies with no authority fail and are forgotten. That's why the right has an almost mystical attachment to authority, exemplified by patriotism, love for national symbols, etc. To the left, authority by itself is meaningless. An authority is simply a mechanism for promoting fairness (equity) and doing harm (systems of oppression). The left is bemused by the right's attachment to authority, and since the right isn't into equity, they assume it must be because they benefit from systems of oppression.

Loyalty is simply an expression of genetic affinity adapted for non-genetically related associates. Just as we strive to protect our close relatives' genes so they can reproduce, we try to protect those who are culturally similar to us so our culture can reproduce. To liberals, loyalty to one group implies unfairness to everyone else. They call is racism. (They used to have specific words for other -isms, but now everything is racism.) They can form simple bonds of loyalty that serve their purposes, but Thanksgiving is coming up soon, and we're sure to see how loyal they are to their Republican-voting family members.

Sanctity is a higher expression of the biological value placed on clean food, clean water, etc. When you find something good and pure, you want to keep it that way so you can derive benefits from it in the future. For the right, sanctity is extended to religion, to childhood, to public decorum. If you're really old fashioned, it's extended to virginity. The left doesn't appreciate sanctity, and declaring one thing sacrosanct and another profane is unfair, so efforts to maintain sanctity are interpreted as efforts to harm someone. Religion is an oppressive power structure, children are brainwashed by their parents (but not teachers), vibrant cultures are straitjacketed when you ask them to conform in public, and women are forced to live out The Handmaid's Tale.

So the left thinks the right is a bunch of people who want to hurt others and treat them unfairly. If they recognize the right's affinity for authority, loyalty, or sanctity at all, they believe those are deceptions so the right can go on hurting people and treating them unfairly.

The question is, why do the values cluster the way they do?

 

[Wormy]

The burden of proof lies with you. Prove that you spiteful mutants aren't every last one of those things

You're accusing ME of being those things, jackass. Burden's on you.
Also, I ain't in the business anymore of trying to defend other's shit. I can only answer for myself, and my mental health's few remaining splinters demand I quit feeling guilty about shit I've nothing to do with just because an internet stranger with a "Hell yea, I'm proud to be a cuck" avatar says so.

because your optics are doing a shit job of proving your detractors wrong.

Never said otherwise. The establishment left is a shitshow on almost every level.

Prove that you aren't actively going out and seeking a worse world for all of us to live in, under the guise of state-mandated niceness, the hysterics of climate politics, the genocidal wolf-in-sheep's-clothing that is Socialism/Communism, or the empty-handed egalitarianism of inter-party "unity" that we both know you don't fucking want.

Okay, what do I have to do?

Your ideology took only 15 years to go from sometimes agreeable, to hostile to life itself. You have absolutely no room to suggest anyone has a lack of self-awareness, when it took so little time for me to go from voting for your people, to wanting to kill every last one of you. My positions on core issues never changed in that time.You did that to yourselves by being nothing short of psychotic and malicious, and you have no room to complain that people want you to be put down like the rabid animals that you are when you can't stay ideologically consistent. Your self-defeating, thoroughly erratic, and hypocritical beliefs, constant pussyquivering over invisible nazis, phantom fascism, and X culture this and Dark/Ultra MAGA that, has absolutely decimated literally all of your credibility. Decimated to such a degree that maybe fascism is preferable to watching you people shit your pants over the most innocuous of transgressions. At least under fascism I get the same level of oppression, without having to see the disgusting and dysgenic freakshows that the left champion as their leadership and idols. If you're supposed to be the "right side of history", then I will sleep soundly, like a wee babyboy, being on the wrong side.

GodDAMN, son, how involved do you think I am?!

Whenever some right winger says "No more gay marriage" they usually mean "No more gay marriage"

Kinda like "No abortions period...except when I pay for them to cover up my infidelity".

 

[boomzoomcoom]

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Really good read, this aligns with and is much deeper than my understanding of the political spectrum, which I would normally describe as "ultimate equality vs ultimate hierarchy".

The question is, why do the values cluster the way they do?

Well, if I have my history lessons right, the very terms left and right stem from the original post-French Revolution national assembly. There, the people physically seated on the left and right side were, respectively, those in favor of radical social changes (i. e. a more modern understanding of free citizens, individual rights, economic chances and equality etc.) and aristocrats and monarchists who wanted to hold on to the established order.

We can see here how the left had the ultimate goal of fairness/equality and the right defended the specific elements of the former monarchy (a class system etc.). In your analysis, this could mirror how the left views anything and everything through the lens of how its existence may hinder their ultimate goal of fairness, while the right places meaning on those same things for their own sake, because it's a tradition, because it's perceived to work correctly etc.

We know how bloody and misguided French Revolution politics eventually became, throwing tons of innocents in the meatgrinder in the name of social change or progress.
Modern example: the worst elements of the left relativize criminal minorities and deranged trannies for the purpose of improving integration and normalization of race relations and sexual identity. There's always a lot of "greater scope" thinking involved, meanwhile Joe Rightoid famously "wants to be left alone" and doesn't want to risk suffering for a long-term goal he doesn't care about. Stopping crime is immediately important to him and he doesn't care about another nonwhite being prosecuted, rightfully or not. Meanwhile the left goes "People who are treated fairly and equally and have their needs provided to don't commit crimes; therefore minority crimes are coming from a disadvantaged position, looks like a fairness issue to me" and then the longterm thinking and/or mental gymnastics start. This ranges from perfect common sense that may barely even require a left-right distinction like "How can we shape policy that eventually improves the socioeconomic conditions that cause crime while at the same time applying just treatment to both criminals and victims" to "what even is crime, just abolish the police and no one will be criminalized lmao".

The rest of this thread is dogshit though. "These strawmen existing in my head have a strawman of me existing in their head."

 

[bluehawk]

The shitlib establishment wants Whites to die a violent death at the hands of non-White marxists, while the "other choice" of the conservative establishment wants us to die from oxycodone and free trade. A greater number of leftists are insane anti-Whites, though. They hate White people being alive and brand things conducive towards our survival as "right-wing". Such as possessing the ability to defend ourselves and protect our communities, self-determination, a positive self-identity, etc.