Culture What Happens to #MeToo When a Feminist Is the Accused? - Feminists being sex pests?? No way!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/nyregion/sexual-harassment-nyu-female-professor.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...female-NYU-professor-facing-MeToo-moment.html

Sound familiar?

"Professor Ronell and some who are backing her have tried to discredit her accuser in familiar ways, asking why he took so long to report, and why he seemed so intimate with Professor Ronell if he was, in fact, miserable. Maybe, Professor Ronell suggested, he was frustrated because he just wasn’t smart enough."

Whatever happened to "always believe the victim"?

"Soon after the university made its final, confidential determination this spring, a group of scholars from around the world, including prominent feminists, sent a letter to N.Y.U. in defense of Professor Ronell. Judith Butler, the author of the book “Gender Trouble” and one of the most influential feminist scholars today, was first on the list."

Rules for thee, but not for me

"Diane Davis, chair of the department of rhetoric at the University of Texas-Austin, who also signed the letter to the university supporting Professor Ronell, said she and her colleagues were particularly disturbed that, as they saw it, Mr. Reitman was using Title IX, a feminist tool, to take down a feminist."

The case seems like a familiar story turned on its head: Avital Ronell, a world-renowned female professor of German and Comparative Literature at New York University, was found responsible for sexually harassing a male former graduate student, Nimrod Reitman.

An 11-month Title IX investigation found Professor Ronell, described by a colleague as “one of the very few philosopher-stars of this world,” responsible for sexual harassment, both physical and verbal, to the extent that her behavior was “sufficiently pervasive to alter the terms and conditions of Mr. Reitman’s learning environment.” The university has suspended Professor Ronell for the coming academic year.

In the Title IX final report, excerpts of which were obtained by The New York Times, Mr. Reitman said that she had sexually harassed him for three years, and shared dozens of emails in which she referred to him as “my most adored one,” “Sweet cuddly Baby,” “cock-er spaniel,” and “my astounding and beautiful Nimrod.”

Coming in the middle of the #MeToo movement’s reckoning over sexual misconduct, it raised a challenge for feminists — how to respond when one of their own behaved badly. And the response has roiled a corner of academia.

Soon after the university made its final, confidential determination this spring, a group of scholars from around the world, including prominent feminists, sent a letter to N.Y.U. in defense of Professor Ronell. Judith Butler, the author of the book “Gender Trouble” and one of the most influential feminist scholars today, was first on the list.

“Although we have no access to the confidential dossier, we have all worked for many years in close proximity to Professor Ronell,” the professors wrote in a draft letter posted on a philosophy blog in June. “We have all seen her relationship with students, and some of us know the individual who has waged this malicious campaign against her.”

Critics saw the letter, with its focus on the potential damage to Professor Ronell’s reputation and the force of her personality, as echoing past defenses of powerful men.

“We testify to the grace, the keen wit, and the intellectual commitment of Professor Ronell and ask that she be accorded the dignity rightly deserved by someone of her international standing and reputation,” the professors wrote.

Mr. Reitman, who is now 34 and is a visiting fellow at Harvard, says that Professor Ronell kissed and touched him repeatedly, slept in his bed with him, required him to lie in her bed, held his hand, texted, emailed and called him constantly, and refused to work with him if he did not reciprocate. Mr. Reitman is gay and is now married to a man; Professor Ronell is a lesbian.

Professor Ronell, 66, denied any harassment. “Our communications — which Reitman now claims constituted sexual harassment — were between two adults, a gay man and a queer woman, who share an Israeli heritage, as well as a penchant for florid and campy communications arising from our common academic backgrounds and sensibilities,” she wrote in a statement to The New York Times. “These communications were repeatedly invited, responded to and encouraged by him over a period of three years.”

Two years after graduating from N.Y.U. with a Ph.D., Mr. Reitman filed a Title IX complaint against his former adviser, alleging sexual harassment, sexual assault, stalking and retaliation. In May, the university found Professor Ronell responsible for sexual harassment and cleared her of the other allegations.

Mr. Reitman’s lawyer, Donald Kravet, said he and his client have drafted a lawsuit against N.Y.U. and Professor Ronell and are now considering their options.

Both Mr. Reitman and Professor Ronell’s descriptions of their experiences echo other #MeToo stories: In Mr. Reitman’s recollection, he was afraid of his professor and the power she wielded over him, and often went along with behavior that left him feeling violated. Professor Ronell said that Mr. Reitman desperately sought her attention and guidance in interviews she submitted to the Title IX office at N.Y.U., which The New York Times obtained.

The problems began, according to Mr. Reitman, in the spring of 2012, before he officially started school. Professor Ronell invited him to stay with her in Paris for a few days. The day he arrived, she asked him to read poetry to her in her bedroom while she took an afternoon nap, he said.

“That was already a red flag to me,” said Mr. Reitman. “But I also thought, O.K., you’re here. Better not make a scene.”

Then, he said, she pulled him into her bed.

“She put my hands onto her breasts, and was pressing herself — her buttocks — onto my crotch,” he said. “She was kissing me, kissing my hands, kissing my torso.” That evening, a similar scene played out again, he said.

He confronted her the next morning, he said.

“I said, look, what happened yesterday was not O.K. You’re my adviser,” he recalled in an interview.
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Professor Ronell’s defenders pointed to her “keen wit” and her “international standing and reputation,” after she was accused of sexual harassment.

When he got to New York, the behavior continued, he said, when after Hurricane Sandy in October 2012, Professor Ronell showed up at his apartment because her power had gone out. He said that, despite his objections, she convinced him that they could both sleep in his bed together. Once there, she groped and kissed him each night for nearly a week, he said.

“Professor Ronell denies all allegations of sexual contact in their entirety,” Mary Dorman, Professor Ronell’s lawyer, wrote in a submission to the Title IX office. Professor Ronell said she only stayed for two nights after the hurricane, at Mr. Reitman’s invitation.

The Title IX report concluded that there was not enough evidence to find Professor Ronell responsible for sexual assault, partly because no one else observed the interactions in his apartment or her room in Paris.

In the semesters that followed, Mr. Reitman said he was expected to work with Professor Ronell, often at her apartment, during lengthy work sessions nearly every weekend. Professor Ronell frequently detailed her affection and longing for him, according to emails from her that Mr. Reitman provided to The New York Times.

“I woke up with a slight fever and sore throat,” she wrote in an email on June 16, 2012, after the Paris trip. “I will try very hard not to kiss you — until the throat situation receives security clearance. This is not an easy deferral!” In July, she wrote a short email to him: “time for your midday kiss. my image during meditation: we’re on the sofa, your head on my lap, stroking you [sic] forehead, playing softly with yr hair, soothing you, headache gone. Yes?”

In a submission to the Title IX office, Professor Ronell said she had no idea Mr. Reitman was so uncomfortable until she read the investigators’ report.

Mr. Reitman also said that Professor Ronell retaliated against him for complaining to her about her behavior, in part by sending pro forma recommendations on his behalf, thwarting his job prospects. But the Title IX report found that her recommendation letters “were comparable to those for other former students” and he did secure two postgraduate fellowships.

Professor Ronell and some who are backing her have tried to discredit her accuser in familiar ways, asking why he took so long to report, and why he seemed so intimate with Professor Ronell if he was, in fact, miserable. Maybe, Professor Ronell suggested, he was frustrated because he just wasn’t smart enough.

“His main dilemma was the incoherency in his writing, and lack of a recognizable argument,” Professor Ronell said in a January 2018 interview submitted to the Title IX office.

Diane Davis, chair of the department of rhetoric at the University of Texas-Austin, who also signed the letter to the university supporting Professor Ronell, said she and her colleagues were particularly disturbed that, as they saw it, Mr. Reitman was using Title IX, a feminist tool, to take down a feminist.

“I am of course very supportive of what Title IX and the #MeToo movement are trying to do, of their efforts to confront and to prevent abuses, for which they also seek some sort of justice,” Professor Davis wrote in an email. “But it’s for that very reason that it’s so disappointing when this incredible energy for justice is twisted and turned against itself, which is what many of us believe is happening in this case.”

Title IX was intended to address a long history of sexual harassment and assault of women at school, according to Dana Bolger, a co-founder of Know Your IX, a national advocacy group that teaches students about their Title IX rights.

“I would say that the vast majority of Title IX cases are protecting male victims from male perpetrators, or female victims from male perpetrators,” Ms. Bolger said.

In addition to the suspension, which the university never publicly announced, N.Y.U. is investigating further claims of retaliation related to the professors’ letter.

John Beckman, a spokesman for the university, wrote in a statement to The Times that N.Y.U. was “sympathetic” to what Mr. Reitman has been through.

But, Mr. Beckman added, “given the promptness, seriousness and thoroughness with which we responded to his charges, we do not believe that his filing a multimillion-dollar lawsuit against the university would be warranted or just.”

Both Professor Ronell and Mr. Reitman feel they have been miscast in this #MeToo story.

Mr. Reitman said he never intended to become any kind of public figure in a national conversation about gender, and that he started the process before the movement took off. “It didn’t come from #MeToo,” he said.

In March 2018, Professor Ronell pointedly complained that Mr. Reitman had a penchant for “comparing me to the most egregious examples of predatory behaviors ascribable to Hollywood moguls who habitually go after starlets.”
 
Yeah, UT-Austin being attached to anything regarding gender politics immediately causes me to dismiss the issue and take a militant stance for whatever the opposite position might be.

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So I guess now I gotta advocate for this professor to be spayed.

was this fag's head photoshopped onto his body wtf
 
was this fag's head photoshopped onto his body wtf

All the fliers they made look weird. I just picked that one because the dude looks like he has AIDS and is wasting. Full blown AIDS patients' heads look mismatched for their body.

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Thanks for proving that men who wear jorts in current year are faggots, though.
 
Feminism isn't supposed to just benefit women, though admittedly a vocal part of the movement just focuses on women's problems (and even then, usually women who fit certain ideals) and that gives people that impression. Feminism also tackles toxic masculinity, by saying stuff like it's ok for men to be feminine and emotional in a way that isn't anger, and that it's ok for them to show they've been hurt and that if they're being sexually harassed, that they aren't any less of a man and they should speak up rather than feel ashamed.

But it sounds like this professor is just using "feminism" to deflect what she did, and throwing in as many fancy words as she can to make herself look good. :B
 
Sexual harrassment is horrible and awful, when it happens to women. If it happens to men, they were asking for it, and really, they probably actually raped the woman.
It's like when a teacher has sex with a student. A male teacher with a female student is pedophilia and rape. A female teacher with a male student is awesome! He probably like it!

The level of blatant hypocrisy to say title 9 is supposed to be for women is just outrageous. This lady needs to get out of her echo chamber.
 
The entitlement in her response. She can't go one sentence without hitting on identitarian politicking, because in her world claiming oppressed minority status is an automatic pass for whatever reprehensible behavior she's committed. And these people try to say that victimhood isn't a desirable privilege.
It's a good thing she pointed out they were both jews. I mean that's some important information right there.
 
Feminism isn't supposed to just benefit women, though admittedly a vocal part of the movement just focuses on women's problems (and even then, usually women who fit certain ideals) and that gives people that impression. Feminism also tackles toxic masculinity, by saying stuff like it's ok for men to be feminine and emotional in a way that isn't anger, and that it's ok for them to show they've been hurt and that if they're being sexually harassed, that they aren't any less of a man and they should speak up rather than feel ashamed.

But it sounds like this professor is just using "feminism" to deflect what she did, and throwing in as many fancy words as she can to make herself look good. :B
While this may be true, I think there's undeniably something deeply rotten at the core of current-day feminism that's impossible to escape. The sheer amount of injustice and hypocrisy in the name of "feminism" such as in this article tell me that it needs to burn the fuck down and then start over. Progressive institutions have been exploiting their power and crossing the line for a very long time. Feminists are very much people in power
 
If the day where a men got a hidden bodycam who show a woman doing sexual harassment become viral. I wonder if some third-wave feminists will cool out a bit even if I have some doubts?
No they'll just say recordings are sexist, like BLM suddenly started doing when more cops were wearing bodycams.
 
Remember, kids - women cannot sexually harass others, ever.

This is genuinely upsetting, though. The backlash this guy has gotten is one of the reasons male sexual harassment victims don't come forward. It's brave when women do it, but cowardly when men do it, apparently.

Theres been several impromptu social experiments done that support it. People leave a wandering child in a park, men dare not go near them to help them. A woman assaulting her boyfriend on the street while the passersby laugh.

Yeah, UT-Austin being attached to anything regarding gender politics immediately causes me to dismiss the issue and take a militant stance for whatever the opposite position might be.

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So I guess now I gotta advocate for this professor to be spayed.

Is he supposed to be splashed with cum in that pic?


Feminism also tackles toxic masculinity, by saying stuff like it's ok for men to be feminine and emotional in a way that isn't anger, and that it's ok for them to show they've been hurt and that if they're being sexually harassed, that they aren't any less of a man and they should speak up rather than feel ashamed.

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Why is anyone surprised? The goal of social justice is power, not justice
The give away is in the word Social. Justice is a word that requires no qualifications. The only reason to add a qualification to it is to change the meaning into something else. And that something else is certainly not Justice.
 
She's a sex pest, she should be fired and shamed and all that shit. However, she is unlikely to be able to overpower a man to rape him. That's the main difference in my eyes between men creeping on women and women creeping on men. A man creeping on a woman is going to invoke the fear of rape because it's a tangible possibility, it sometimes does lead directly to rape. A man targeted for sexual harassment by a woman is unlikely to fear a completed rape because of the physical advantage he has, he likely wouldn't even have to injure her to get away if they're both of average strength and stature for their sex. I don't really understand the demand to react to male and female sexual harassers in light of that. The impact is not the same.
 
I don't really understand the demand to react to male and female sexual harassers in light of that. The impact is not the same.

At the end of the day, anyone with a trigger finger good for 9lbs of pull can kill any one of their fellow citizens, in theory.

Unwanted verbal harassment is distinct from violent attack, and one does not necessarily lead to the other, or even logically proceed it.

How many cases of rape are perpetrated by guys leaping out of the bushes at their victim without even knowing them, much less having a chance to catcall them?

This "connection" is tenuous at best and meets no legal provision for justifying any kind of "self defense", harassment is unacceptable simply because it's unwanted behavior, not because it means "rape incoming". That ultimately is what muddies the sexual harassment issue into the mess it is today.

Keep harassment separate from assault until and unless it actually HAPPENS.
 
“I am of course very supportive of what Title IX and the #MeToo movement are trying to do, of their efforts to confront and to prevent abuses, for which they also seek some sort of justice,” Professor Davis wrote in an email. “But it’s for that very reason that it’s so disappointing when this incredible energy for justice is twisted and turned against itself, which is what many of us believe is happening in this case.”

Translation "this entire thing was only meant to hit the targets we wanted". It's the same shit as the James Gunn stuff, they decided their own rules shouldn't apply because they were being used "in bad faith" as if they don't use it that way themselves.
 
She's a sex pest, she should be fired and shamed and all that shit. However, she is unlikely to be able to overpower a man to rape him. That's the main difference in my eyes between men creeping on women and women creeping on men. A man creeping on a woman is going to invoke the fear of rape because it's a tangible possibility, it sometimes does lead directly to rape. A man targeted for sexual harassment by a woman is unlikely to fear a completed rape because of the physical advantage he has, he likely wouldn't even have to injure her to get away if they're both of average strength and stature for their sex. I don't really understand the demand to react to male and female sexual harassers in light of that. The impact is not the same.

Consider that she was in a position of power over him. She doesn't need to overpower him physically to have her way with him. She needs only make a threat.

Furthermore imagine what would happen if they did have a struggle, almost certainly people would take her side if she sustained any injury. Perhaps he would not be harmed physically by such a confrontation, but he would be destroyed socially.

This is about more than the physical, this is about emotional abuse, and her abuse of her position.
 
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