What if California separated from the Union? - Separating Americans and Mexicans....Again

[umseriously]

In this hypothetical, let's assume that California is able to separate itself from the USA in exchange for taking in all of the browns from America. The USA lets this happen while California establishes relationships with Mexico and the rest of the world. Gavin Newsom is President and all illegals are granted citizenship in this new country. It has open borders with Mexico and South America. Drugs like cocaine and weed are completely legalized but are regulated.

What would be the cultural, economic, and political implications of this?

 

[Spaceman Spud]

The Californians can leave but we are keeping the land.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

Population with AIDS drops dramatically.

 

[JohnnyG]

There are plenty of post-White Western societies for you to look to as examples; I don't know why this would be a mystery.

Haiti, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, South Africa, Detroit, Baltimore, DC, Newark, Camden, Philly, New Orleans...

 

[DeadwastePrime]

the gdp of independent california would overtake germany as one of the best economies in the world. the us would lose a little over 4 trillion dollars in revenue, which isnt a ton of money, but you would feel that hit very fucking quickly. after a few months, we'd be begging them to come back to the union, brown people and all

 

[ChampFantana]

the gdp of independent california would overtake germany as one of the best economies in the world. the us would lose a little over 4 trillion dollars in revenue, which isnt a ton of money, but you would feel that hit very fucking quickly. after a few months, we'd be begging them to come back to the union, brown people and all

This is one of the stupider things I've ever heard. California would be a vassal state of Mexico within the week.

 

[Apteryx Retardi]

the gdp of independent california would overtake germany as one of the best economies in the world. the us would lose a little over 4 trillion dollars in revenue, which isnt a ton of money, but you would feel that hit very fucking quickly. after a few months, we'd be begging them to come back to the union, brown people and all

California's economy is based on being Murca's Pacific port. Without that, most of their industry would pull out in a second. They also suck up resources (water, gas for power plants, etc) from all over Western US, So with that stopped or taxed, they'd be fucked.

Basically their economy would drop like a dead pigeon, not to 3rd world levels, but probably somewhere around mid-lower end Yuro countries. Though open borders with SA absolutely will turn it into shit eventually. China would probably prop them up stripmine them in order to fuck with US.

Californias would be jumping the fence from day one, "new californians" from the moment their economy craters.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The Californians can leave but we are keeping the land.

This. We're also keeping the house, dog, the kids and all the money too. Newsom and the Democrats can go crash on their buddy Xi Jinpings couch.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Then this would be me making my way through Oakland.

 

[Absolutego]

This scenario is far too silly and unrealistic to even begin listing the cultural and political consequences beyond "swift implosion of the Californian state", but just to start with a few of the economic/trade consequences California will face (listed in terms of who will be upset with Sacramento):

• The state starts in an immediate water crisis, has to cut a lopsided trade deal with the USA to ensure the Colorado River continues to flow past the Hoover and Davis Dams. The Farmers and the Teamsters are now upset with Sacramento
  • the residents of Nevada and Arizona report their mood is quite improved, however
• Without federal funds, the government goes from approximately $2 billion insolvent to $102 billion (going off 2024 numbers). The budget crisis escalates from problematic mode to tacitcool xtreme radically bad mode. As a fledgling nation without the history and reputation to stymie a massive deficit with issued treasury bonds, and their already high progressive tax structure is made "real" because high income earners can't count it against their federal return anymore via the SALT deduction. So, all departments have to be downsized, if not eliminated, alongside a great deal of projects and initiatives. Government Workers Unions are now upset with Sacramento
• With the US Navy now gone, the 3rd largest urban area in California just lost ~1/3rd of its GDP. San Diegans are now upset with Sacramento
• With water being even more expensive, the Central Valley stops growing luxury crops and switches to staple goods. The boutique vegetables/imitation meat industry dries up locally, those goods have to be imported. The urban vegan hipsters now slightly peeved with Sacramento
• Even the central valley can't grow enough crops to feed Californians on its own, and now they have to import food from the Mississippi watershed, making food more expensive for everyone. And don't forget the government had to significantly downsize all those bennies they were giving to those new citizens they admitted. The poor are now upset with Sacramento
• Tech and Media industries were already canvassing alternative regions to build up as part of a California exit strategy while it was part of the USA, this phenomenon is accelerated into cities like Seattle, Austin, and Atlanta. This would happen over a longer time scale than the prospective country of California would probably last, but assume eventually the scenes for both within the region would become largely vestigial and local venture capital/marketing firms would see a drought of business to cultivate. California Old Money is now upset with Sacramento

All in all, I'd be skeptical that the prospective 2nd Republic of California would last much longer than the 25 days the first one lasted. And they'd probably spend most of that time in heated debate over whether or not it should officially be renamed "Aztlán" and what role alphabet moonbrained cripples of color should play in the coming revolution.