What if we dealt with AIDS when it first broke out?

[BrunoMattei]

By doing the only sensible thing and isolate the infected? Too little too late now maybe. But barring ethical reasons we could have stopped the spread by simply isolating the infected and treating them like lepers on colony's.

 

[WeWuzFinns]

I agree we should've nuked Africa

 

[DumbDude42]

"isolate the infected"

good luck trying to get that (or anytyhing, really) done in the stone age african shitholes where it came to be

fun (actually not so fun) fact: the initial spread of HIV in those areas was facilitated by (mostly western) doctors and nurses re-using needles in programs that aimed to mass-vaccinate the locals against other diseases. if bleeding heart libshit retards hadn't been trying to 'help the oppressed' and just stayed the fuck away then this whole mess could have been avoided.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

If Queen and a whole bunch of artists didn’t sing at Live Aid and convince the western world to donate to Africa, maybe.

 

[BrunoMattei]

"isolate the infected"

good luck trying to get that (or anytyhing, really) done in the stone age african shitholes where it came to be

fun (actually not so fun) fact: the initial spread of HIV in those areas was facilitated by (mostly western) doctors and nurses re-using needles in programs that aimed to mass-vaccinate the locals against other diseases. if bleeding heart libshit exceptional individuals hadn't been trying to 'help the oppressed' and just stayed the fuck away then this whole mess could have been avoided.

I know it spread from places like that and Haiti when sex tourists came from America.

 

[Where Do You Find Them?]

The problem is that at the time it was easily containable nobody knew it existed. It sometimes doesn't have any symptoms for decades.

if bleeding heart libshit exceptional individuals hadn't been trying to 'help the oppressed' and just stayed the fuck away then this whole mess could have been avoided.

The worst part is the leading theory on where AIDs came from is that someone out in the jungle needed to give a blood transfusion but didn't have any compatible blood, so they used monkey blood which is a huge no-no because sometimes it causes fucking AIDs. I can kinda understand it though, you've got people right in front of you dying and there's only a very slim chance it goes wrong...

Either that or someone fucked a monkey.

 

[L50LasPak]

Its been discussed at length in the medical community and the consensus is that we kind of didn't realize just how dangerous such a disease was until it was too late.

Conspiracy theorist types think that's bullshit and the government ignored it or whatever, but think about how complicated the disease is in the first place. First you get this weird virus that doesn't seem that contagious (its literally too fat to be sucked up by mosquitoes or begbugs despite being bloodborne) and, at first, seems to have no effect at all on the human body.

Then a bunch of people start wasting away from it. Some normal people, but also a lot of homosexual people who were, due to the attitudes of the time, probably leading pretty self-destructive lives. Same with drug addicts and their used needles. Most doctors were probably like "Let's get you off the heroin and you'll feel way better." But then these people didn't. Then more and more non-selfdestructive people started coming down with this mysterious wasting illness. And in some people, HIV doesn't even activate into AIDS for a long time, so to some extent it was ignored as a cause.

I know there's all those crazy stories of like sex tourism and unclean medical practicies and stuff, but even then this mysterious illness was probably attirbuted to things like sepsis or other forms of infection from unclean medical instruments and poor doctor hygiene.

Plus, when you're dying of AIDS, its not the HIV that's killing you, its all the diseases you immune system normally protects from having a buffet now that your defenses are destroyed. Doctors probably diagnosesed case after case of well-known or conventional diseases in AIDS victims before finally realizing something was seriously out of the ordinary. It wasn't until later on that finally someone figured out that HIV once activated devours your immune system.

In short, I think we figured it out about as soon as we could. There were fuckups and ignorance along the way that slowed things down, but HIV/AIDS is a slow, insidious killer. It wasn't like people were puking up blood and dropping dead in the streets from it like Ebola.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

I believe the Cubans instituted pretty strict quarantine regulations early on, and it seems to have worked extremely well. Of course, they could do that because the Cuban state doesn't give a shit about civil rights. It also helps that they tossed out so many of their known homos during the Mariel boatlift, so there was less of a host population.

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[Judge Holden]

Considering how it may have already been making the rounds and creeping its way around the world back in the 40s-50s and is extremely likely to have been killing people in the US in the 60s given shit like the Robert Reyford case you would probably need for there to have been some major and well publicised outbreak to have occurred between 1950 and 1960 to have gotten both the medical community and the public at large terrified, and as this was the era when there were massive campaigns against shit like Smallpox being funded and supported accross the board from both sides of the Iron Curtain, its likely a "drastic" measure against a boogieman disease along the lines of an enforced quarantine could have hypothetically been sanctioned by the world at large.

As @DumbDude42 said, its likely the initial mass infection of sub saharan africans had much to do with the reusing of needles in vaccination programmes so perhaps having some western aid workers involved come down with a nasty case in the early days or before these programmes took place could have gotten the reaction needed to get the world scared enough to start such measures and to rework the vaccination programmes to remove any chance of cross contamination.

Honestly the best bet of getting a robust response to the disease would have been for it to have gained infamy and notoriety before it hit the faggot hives and became linked in the public eye with homogay shit, since once this happened no politician on the planet, left or right, wanted to touch the issue with a barge pole for dumb political reasons

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

And the Band Played On...

An interesting read about Patient Zero thought to be the one that brought the AIDS epidemic to America. But that was debunked in 2016. See this: http://www.virology.ws/2016/11/16/dugas-was-not-aids-patient-zero/

The problem with containment then is that GRIDS was poorly understood and hadn't appeared outside the gay community. So in essence, they could have rounded up every queer in San Francisco and stuck them on Alcatraz or something, but it was already too late and GRIDS was fagging it's way throughout the country.

The progress research has made in fighting RNA viruses is incredible. Perhaps a vaccine in the future and only anti-vaxxers will get AIDS.

 

[SmileyTimeDayCare]

That would have been quite the task to accomplish. Might have been fairly effective though...

HBO made some propaganda about this concept in '93.



Plot:

The film is a dystopian science fiction thriller set in the near future in a more authoritarian America. It deals with the social persecution and criminalisation of people who are infected with a sexually transmitted infection similar to HIV. Those who test positive for the disease are forcibly placed into quarantine camps. In the quarantine camps they are tattooed with a P by the authorities to indicate their positive status and shot if they try to escape. The quarantine camps are dilapidated places where patients are left to die without care or contact with the outside world.

Blue is a young woman who earns a living scavenging metal in the city. She goes with a friend who wants to be tested to a Helping Hand clinic. The clinic has the sinister slogan "Making your hard choices easier". Outside the clinic they are given a card warning them against getting tested there. The card demands "Why is sickness a crime? Why is hospital a prison? Why does the helping hand hold a gun?". Blue is disturbed by this warning and meets an activist in the resistance called Torch.

The resistance works to prevent the quarantine of those who are positive. They arrange testing outside the official system so that they will not be quarantined. They rescue people being held by the Helping Hand clinic in order to give them medicine, care, and understanding. They distribute condoms and clean needles to help prevent the spread of the disease. This is contrasted with government advertisements for the Helping Hand clinics that threaten "The only way is not to play".

A relationship develops between Blue and Torch and it is revealed that Torch is positive. Torch is arrested because of his activism and when the police discover that he is positive they send him to quarantine. Blue sneaks into the quarantine in order to see Torch. Blue wants to be infected by Torch so that they can live together inside the quarantine camp, but Torch is reluctant to infect Blue. In the end she escapes at his urging and continues the fight on the outside.

Was Blue the original poz'r?

Also what's up with female heroes being metal scavengers?

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I agree we should've nuked Africa

Larouche had a plan

 

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I believe the Cubans instituted pretty strict quarantine regulations early on, and it seems to have worked extremely well. Of course, they could do that because the Cuban state doesn't give a shit about civil rights. It also helps that they tossed out so many of their known homos during the Mariel boatlift, so there was less of a host population.

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Exactly this. Despite having an economy based on Canadian sex tourism, Cuba's enlightened policy of segregating GRIDS-bearers and their generally excellent public health system (better life expectancy than the US is only the most obvious example) allowed them to keep this entirely preventable disease well under control initially. Rates are still very low compared to places with actual third-world healthcare systems like the US, though they really need to put carriers in camps again and start screening Canadians for STDs at the border.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

To expand on what @L50LasPak said, HIV is a weird disease. It has an incredibly long incubation period (look at an OraQuick kit sometime, to be accurate it needs to be used 3 months or more after the suspected exposure) and kills you indirectly through opportunistic infection. The flight steward who's commonly considered Patient 0 in the US AIDS epidemic was admitted to the hospital with what was thought to be some kind of super-pneumonia, because that's how it manifested. Period attitudes didn't help matters; with penicillin and vaccinations being commonplace, the cultural assumption of the postwar era was that disease was basically over in the developed world, which informed a lot of the "free love" thought in the 60s and 70s. The gay subculture, being both tight-knit and incredibly promiscuous, took that idea and ran with it, so when an incurable, untreatable, difficult-to-detect pathogen entered the ecosystem it spread like fucking wildfire.

tl;dr:

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I believe the Cubans instituted pretty strict quarantine regulations early on, and it seems to have worked extremely well. Of course, they could do that because the Cuban state doesn't give a shit about civil rights. It also helps that they tossed out so many of their known homos during the Mariel boatlift, so there was less of a host population.

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I really don't trust statistics from a country that used to be communist. If there's niggers, then, there's AIDS.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I really don't trust statistics from a country that used to be communist. If there's niggers, then, there's AIDS.

Especially since the country is effectively a big prison. I'm sure North Korea is good about handling any AIDS cases that that crop up, too.

 

[Surf and TERF]

Cuban people (particularly the punk rock subculture) were deliberately infecting themselves in order to get into the quarantine areas. Apparently they were kind of like clubs where rebels who didn’t want to participate in normal society could safely live.

'Los Frikis': The Cuban punks who deliberately infected themselves with HIV

One of the men, Gerson Govea, talks about his experiences.

www.google.com

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

Back at the beginning it was figured that only faggots and druggies got it, so nobody cared much if at all.

 

[Franjevina]

AIDS is monkey and faggot disease .

Leave monkeys in Africa and shoot faggots everywhere else .

Problem solved .

 

[waffle]

The problem is that at the time it was easily containable nobody knew it existed. It sometimes doesn't have any symptoms for decades.


The worst part is the leading theory on where AIDs came from is that someone out in the jungle needed to give a blood transfusion but didn't have any compatible blood, so they used monkey blood which is a huge no-no because sometimes it causes fucking AIDs. I can kinda understand it though, you've got people right in front of you dying and there's only a very slim chance it goes wrong...

Either that or someone fucked a monkey.

The leading theory from what I can tell is that it some hunter cut him self while preparing an infected monkey for the pot. Having a transfusion of monkey blood would just straight up kill you, that's fucking retarded.