What is the best darknet in existence?

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Imo Tor is no more secure (or even no less secure) than any other network technology out there. And the same applies to others, like Lokinet/Nym. My problems with Tor is that even though it's out of the hands of ICANN (which, by now is owned by the UN and whose counter-terrorism has been pressuring web hosts to pull websites without all the previous red tape, even when ICANN used to be a neutral entity), but rather because even when you've overcome the obstacle of finding the right hosting as it would be on the clearnet, you're still not immune to DDOSing and other kinds of censorship. Plus it's not really that anonymous either, given all the recent hidden marketplace takedowns. In truth, no network technology is immune to DDOSing. Anything you can connect to you can DDOS (or try to) except for CJDNS, simply because it requires more resources to send data than to relay it. CJDNS is the only network technology that is immune to deplatforming and DDOSing as a whole BY DESIGN. But even then, it's not anonymous (more pseudonymous, like Bitcoin), unless you use Hyperboria, which is a more privacy-centered fork of CJDNS that also is DDOS-proof and also addresses the ISP issue that CJDNS doesn't, in that CJDNS can be filtered or blocked at an ISP level, whereas Hyperboria is a virtual meshnet because it runs through the existing internet, whereas with CJDNS you can only connect to other computers within the mesh network which can easily be stopped by your ISPs firewall, depending on if you have a mesh in your area. But both CJDNS and Hyperboria address the Sybil attack problem feds can use to deanonymize users in the best way possible, because through their mesh network, it is nearly impossible to create a node pretending to be another node. This is even true for I2P to an extent. They even have a manual peering process, which, while not foolproof, but only not foolproof in that it won't stop the feds from working their asses off and using fucktons of resources on some small network just to get through the vetting process of setting up nodes to monitor and control some traffic. Even Lokinet doesn't address any of this afaik.

My main problem with most of these darknets is that most of them are made to address issues others don't, but in doing so, leave others open themselves, as opposed to addressing ALL of them, like Hyperboria and even CJDNS to an extent does.

But I stand to be corrected, of course.
 
I might also add that I2P is the only other darknet that attempts to address all (or at least most) problems that could occur within such a network. It's not immune to DDOSes, but there's just more ways to deal with it than Tor. But you can still shitflood with traffic. But even then, I would still say that CJDNS, and especially any forks of it, like Hyperboria and Yggdrasil, is overall better. And even if the feds were able to penetrate most, or even some of it, you can still run it in a VM so that all their hard work and resources in infiltrating some small network will amount to nothing just to give them the middle finger and bully them some more.
 
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So what is it you're actually after op? Guns, drugs, child porn?

The darknet is a mostly pointless glowie op.
Some people use it for just private browsing online. Maybe that's why criminals also use it, but I'm no expert of course. Plus the regular internet is getting harder for maintaining non-PC content anyways, even the Daily Stormer moved to Tor. There's a million fucking reasons people would switch to Hyperboria/I2P. Glowies might be able to still catch you through there, but they most certainly can here too. What's your point?
 
I do not use the darknet, and on an entirely unrelated note, I appreciate and support the work done by the CIA and the FBI. You fuckers are doing a damn fine job!
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Some people use it for just private browsing online. Maybe that's why criminals also use it, but I'm no expert of course. Plus the regular internet is getting harder for maintaining non-PC content anyways, even the Daily Stormer moved to Tor. There's a million fucking reasons people would switch to Hyperboria/I2P. Glowies might be able to still catch you through there, but they most certainly can here too. What's your point?
I didn't read your OP because it seems autistic but I don't think you understand what the darknet is. It's not for "private browsing online."
 
I didn't read your OP because it seems autistic but I don't think you understand what the darknet is. It's not for "private browsing online."
Well what is it for then? You can use a Tor proxy to anonymously access any website, whether on the clearnet or onion link afaik, but that's assuming there's no bad faith actors who are trying to control nodes/relays. But I'm no expert on this, I'm only phishing for advice on what to use. Some people are privacy-oriented and always want the latest cool gadget or software for privacy stuff while others just buy Apple products and dgaf.
 
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Well what is it for then? You can use a Tor proxy to anonymously access any website, whether on the clearnet or onion link afaik, but that's assuming there's no bad faith actors who are trying to control nodes/relays. But I'm no expert on this, I'm only phishing for advice on what to use. Some people are privacy-oriented and always want the latest cool gadget or software for privacy stuff while others just buy Apple products and dgaf.
It's just another form of internet that isn't publicly accessible via normal browsers/software. The use cases are going to be about as broad as the normal internet. Naturally a lot of people there care about privacy but it's not for that. It's just a thing.
Filesharing, forums, chats, etc are all normal dark net things that aren't specifically private. It's whatever you want to use it for in your own corner of the overall web.
 
Fastest: Tor.
Most users: Tor.
Most websites: Tor.

Most Secure: I2P.
Best Redundancy: I2P.
Best Resistance to DDoS: I2P.

I should add that Tor relies on central servers to build address consensus and maintain the flow of data on the network. If these servers go away; Tor goes away. Whereas on I2P, the individual clients are also the servers. Everyone is a DNS, everyone is a transit node AKA router.

There is also a procedure for re-booting ("reseeding") the entire I2P network from scratch, in the even ot a catastrophic failure of the internet that requires everyone to "start over". Tor can not do this.

The darknet is a mostly pointless glowie op.
I use it to post here on the farms, nigger.
No one, fed or cow, can ever subpoena my IP and reveal my identity for something I post. Can you say the same?
And the communities and chans are great, if you know where to look.

Also, I host sites on the "dark web".
 
The most secure darknet in existence is the brains of recently deceased people, I know this for a fact because I was recently diseased myself. If you make a directional 5G antenna out of a skull you can surf some wild waves in most graveyards unless the soil is full of lead. Wear a tin foil hat when buried or the corpse hackers might find your dirty secrets.
 
So what is it you're actually after op? Guns, drugs, child porn?

The darknet is a mostly pointless glowie op.
Nigger this place got ddos for months due to a fake dead tranny and you think the clearnet its safu?
Whereas on I2P, the individual clients are also the servers. Everyone is a DNS, everyone is a transit node AKA router.
So feds are gonna arrest me because some russian fuck got his CP rerouted thru my PC?
And the communities and chans are great, if you know where to look.
The only good one I know is lainchain, got any more?
 
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So feds are gonna arrest me because some russian fuck got his CP rerouted thru my PC?
This is kinda what worries me about I2P how I understood it. With the hair trigger governments have when it comes to online stuff (ruining your life basically because they felt like it) I always was of the impression I2P isn't the best thing to run when you are already worried about an overbearing government getting you in your sights.
 
This is kinda what worries me about I2P how I understood it. With the hair trigger governments have when it comes to online stuff (ruining your life basically because they felt like it) I always was of the impression I2P isn't the best thing to run when you are already worried about an overbearing government getting you in your sights.
The idea behind I2P is that everybody is a router by default. Not only do you not have any idea what traffic flows through you, it's also layered like Tor. An outside observer can only see that you are a node conducting traffic, nothing more. The only horror stories I've heard about Tor are people being busted for hosting exit nodes, which don't exist in I2P unless you willingly make your eepsite into an outproxy.
 
The only good one I know is lainchain, got any more?
Kelvinchan (I2P)
Neinchan (Tor)
Nanochan (Tor)
Nichan (Tor)
Кислица (I2P)
Picochan (Tor)
NNTPchan (Tor and I2P, most frontends are gone, hard to find.)
Torchan (Tor, often offline)
2ch (clone of clearweb 2ch, same stylesheet, but smaller site) (Tor)

Old/dead chans:
88chan (Tor, was where all the zoosadists were hiding, on "/hurtzoo/")
Neuchan (Tor)
102chan (I2P)
 
Old/dead chans:
88chan (Tor, was where all the zoosadists were hiding, on "/hurtzoo/")
Neuchan (Tor)
102chan (I2P)
Don't forget Hiddenchan which had an actual fucking CP board right on the main page. Somehow it didn't even get v&'d for that, instead getting closed by admin because he got "tired". Or at least that's what the still-standing closure notice says.

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The decision to close it was made for the following reason: I haven't had the urge to manage the board for several years. It was interesting to mess around with srnd and relocation, but the stupid code makes itself felt. No desire to drag it out. And leaving everything on autopilot just isn't safe. In general, the current state of affairs can no longer be tolerated. Maybe one day the hiddenchan will be reborn in a new guise.

If, all of a sudden, someone wants to use srnd or srndv2, I will provide a way to synchronize all data. You can contact me on the #ru channel on irc.

Update 19.10.2015: By popular demand of the public, I am posting the dump of nttp articles and html-archive with pictures.
 
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