What is the origin of homosexuality? - The nature vs. nurture thread

[Nuns with guns]

The general public has accepted that gays are “born this way.” However, the true origins of homosexuality remain a mystery. While there have been studies to find a gay gene or a biological cause, nothing has been proven yet.

The other camp believes that homosexuality is learned, usually after being a victim of sexual child abuse. I don't think many kiwis believe that wearing a dress or having girly interests will make you gay, but if there's any out there, I'd be interested in learning about their opinions as well.

I'm interested in reading all postures and the spergery that comes with them. After a quick search I couldn't find a thread like this, but I've seen other threads in Stinkditch and A&N that usually get derailed by this discussion.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I think it was invented by @Shiversblood after he had a weird dream involving his best friend.

 

[Nuns with guns]

I'm very interested to learn @Larry David's Crypto Fund official stance on this, as they're one of the main posters that hangs around whenever this question is thrown.

 

[Ser Prize]

Some have argued that exposure to certain hormones in utero are responsible for gayness, but for my money it comes about as a response to abuse. It seems to be a consistent pattern in 'gay culture' going as far back as the ancient Greeks.

 

[The Luigi Player]

a greek and a roman had gay sex

guess their names

 

[teriyakiburns]

a greek and a roman had gay sex

guess their names

Was the Roman called Biggus, by any chance?

 

[The Luigi Player]

Was the Roman called Biggus, by any chance?

don't start with the jokes again sir

 

[Lone Outsider]

Imma say it's a bit of both. People can born homosexual or bisexual but it can also be learned behavior. I also think that there is a lot of confusion deliberately created to make it harder to find out what the real origin of homosexuality is, especially since science has been hijack by the woke mob. This is just my opinion so don't take this as fact.

 

[User names must be unique]

A group of straight guys were relaxing after a long day of work with a good ol' fashioned, perfectly hetero, boys only orgy when someone invited Jeff.

Jeff too things too far, took something that was just a bit of fun and made it his whole dang life.

 

[DumbDude43]

same as any other sexuality related mental illness
want to fuck dogs, want to fuck corpses, want to fuck man ass, it's all just variations of an abnormal sex drive

 

[analrapist]

Women are difficult to bang and some men are lazy. Then they find out that guys can make them coom without them needing to spend all kinds of money on a date, and you've got a self-reinforcing feedback loop. Descent into degeneracy is assured. Same arc as hard drug use.

Women are the inverse. A woman of poor dateability basically gives up on men, finds a kindred spirit, and then they act as mutual support crew with sexual benefits.

 

[Gog & Magog]

same as any other sexuality related mental illness
want to fuck dogs, want to fuck corpses, want to fuck man ass, it's all just variations of an abnormal sex drive

An unusually strong sex drive will exacerbate existing urges, but I doubt it alone creates new sexual or romantic attractions. If those are present then they were likely already there.

 

[XM-05 Thanatos]

Some mammals become gay when they are unable to find a mate, like giraffes, elephants, rhinos etc. There was also the rat utopia experiment wherea dude but 100 or so mice in a "utopia" where all of the mice had every need met, no fight for survival, after a while (like a year or two maybe) the guy doing the experiment noticed the rats started being gay, on both sides not just gay male mice.

I think in humans, its a combination of these two factors, inability to find a mate or some weird effect of not having to fight for survival that the modern world has caused.

 

[Null]

a mix of genetic predisposition and sexual trauma
varies person to person but it explains why not all CSA survivors aren't gay, and why not all gays aren't CSA survivors, but there's a huge overlap.

 

[thegooddoctor]

a mix of genetic predisposition and sexual trauma
varies person to person but it explains why not all CSA survivors aren't gay, and why not all gays aren't CSA survivors, but there's a huge overlap.

Nah gay is by all by the gay gene obviously.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I'm very interested to learn @Larry David's Crypto Fund official stance on this, as they're one of the main posters that hangs around whenever this question is thrown.

Males and females are different, have different evolutionary drivers for their sexual appetites, different vulnerabilities, different physiologies. So it tracks that the origin of homosexual behavior differs between men and women, on a population level. It is abundantly clear looking both at studies of humans and animal behavior that there isn't a singular cause of homosexuality that applies to both males and females. This right here should tip you off to the fact that you're never gonna find that "gay gene" because there is no such thing.

The most compelling "born that way" evidence has been in males and it isn't very compelling, nor does it point at a genetic cause. It does point to the possible role of uterine environment (hormones and antibodies) but given the "youngest of many brothers most likely to be the gay one" hypothesis hasn't been able to do something like an adoption or twin study, you still have to wonder about the social aspect- having 3 older brothers exposes you to all their friends, most importantly, and the odds increase that one of them is friends with a boy who is a diddler.

Male sexuality has a drive towards prolificacy which makes evolutionary sense, and explains why things like "prison gay" are so common. If you throw enough seed around indiscriminately, some of it will probably take somewhere, after all. Female sexuality has a drive towards stability and social conformity- which is why they'd ship wagon trains full of women out to get the 49ers to stop being prison gay and drinking all day, and why women can so easily psyop each other into sexual fads (ROGD is a current one), and sometimes resort to just Uhauling and bed deathing with each other instead of trying to find a good man.

If there were honest scientists doing honest work on this question I think they would come to find the following combination of factors:

1. Deranged view of the opposite sex, caused by abuse, fatherlessness, or other social factors.
2. Hormonal disturbance caused either by a disorder like PCOS or by exogenous hormones (birth control).
3. Cultural or subcultural status attached to the homosexual role. (ie an artistic man might find the "gays are more artistic" thing subconsciously attractive, smart girls might be drawn in by the idea that lesbian feminists are the ones who have it all figured out...)
4. Other psychological or psychiatric vulnerabilities that predispose a person to being overly influenced by the above.

 

[Nuns with guns]

2. Hormonal disturbance caused either by a disorder like PCOS or by exogenous hormones (birth control).

Are there any studies or cases of this, or are you talking anecdotally?

I think that, no matter how you look at it, homosexuality can spread socially. While it's true it's present in many cultures historically and even in other animals, ultimately the cultural norms may promote homosexual behavior. This is what we're experiencing today with a lot of child grooming, from transgender ideology to teaching kids that taking it up the ass is good.

Unfortunately, we may never have a proper answer. Learning about how homosexuality was declassified as a mental illness by the APA really opened my eyes as to how fucked we are.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Are there any studies or cases of this, or are you talking anecdotally?

I think that, no matter how you look at it, homosexuality can spread socially. While it's true it's present in many cultures historically and even in other animals, ultimately the cultural norms may promote homosexual behavior. This is what we're experiencing today with a lot of child grooming, from transgender ideology to teaching kids that taking it up the ass is good.

Unfortunately, we may never have a proper answer. Learning about how homosexuality was declassified as a mental illness by the APA really opened my eyes as to how fucked we are.

PCOS is more than twice as common in lesbians as in straight women for one:

First proof that polycystic ovarian syndrome is more than twice as common in lesbian women

Researchers have found the first evidence that a common cause of infertility in women is more prevalent amongst lesbians than heterosexuals1, and they suggest that the biochemical disorder associated with the condition might contribute to the women's sexual orientation - report to European...

www.eurekalert.org

The researchers found that the prevalence of PCO was 32% in heterosexual women and 80% in lesbian women, and that the prevalence of PCOS was 14% in heterosexual women and 38% in lesbian women. The average prevalence amongst all 618 women (lesbian and heterosexual) was 52% for PCO and 24% for PCOS. This compares with European data that show that the prevalence of PCO in the general population is 22% and 10-15% for PCOS, while 40% of all women who seek fertility treatment have PCO/PCOS.

 

[Nuns with guns]

PCOS is more than twice as common in lesbians as in straight women for one:

First proof that polycystic ovarian syndrome is more than twice as common in lesbian women

Researchers have found the first evidence that a common cause of infertility in women is more prevalent amongst lesbians than heterosexuals1, and they suggest that the biochemical disorder associated with the condition might contribute to the women's sexual orientation - report to European...

www.eurekalert.org

Do you think they may just "give up"? As in, "ah, now I look like a fat butch with facial hair, no man would ever want to fuck me. Maybe I should go lesbian now."

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Do you think they may just "give up"? As in, "ah, now I look like a fat butch with facial hair, no man would ever want to fuck me. Maybe I should go lesbian now."

Being a lesbian and trying to find a lesbian to date you takes a lot more effort than just buying a cat and some box wine so I don't think that's it.