What is the origin of homosexuality? - The nature vs. nurture thread

If you want to be spiritual, Satan. If you want to be biological, something about genes formed in the womb. If you want to be psychological, childhood abuse or trauma.
 
Null said:
a mix of genetic predisposition and sexual trauma
varies person to person but it explains why not all CSA survivors aren't gay, and why not all gays aren't CSA survivors, but there's a huge overlap.
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Essentially this. The few studies we have point this direction. Further confusing the issue is that the mix can be 100%/0%. It's why it shows up in small proportions all over the world, and it's the nugget of truth in all of the BS the groomer groups have been using to push this on kids; sometimes there's no pedo uncle or diddler older teen. Sometimes the kid's just gay.

You just don't need to swoop in and tell him all about the wonders of blowjobs and buttsex using his state education while he's a minor.
 
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analrapist said:
Women are the inverse. A woman of poor dateability basically gives up on men, finds a kindred spirit, and then they act as mutual support crew with sexual benefits.
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Dyke relationships are notoriously abusive tf are you talking about
 
I pedantically reject the concept of "homosexuality" as a "state of being," which is entirely a 20th century invention.

I believe however, that a certain predisposition towards same-sex-attraction may be the result of the interplay of the following genetic and environmental factors: Abnormal hormonal loads (both innate and environmental); Various environmental stressors; Psychosexual trauma, especially abuse; Genetic and social variabilities regarding the disgust response; And specific social influences regarding sexual behavior
 
Pretty sure that for me it was me being an avid reader as a kid and getting into my sister's smutty romance novels way too young. I do believe it may at least partially be learned behavior with improper role models and formulative experiences. There may also be some inherit predisposition, like some people can be vulnerable to gambling addiction without knowing.

But I do feel like many of the motives and desires for doing so can possibly be met with a nonsexual approach, like the desire to interact with other men could be met with organized sports and shared hobbies. I've seen toxic friendships where a group of kids will push each other to do illegal things like vandalize or trespass or do drugs, and they do it because they share comradeship in having their own shared moral code and habits that they all agree on. I believe one of the big draws for Furries is that it allows atustic people who have difficulty with extremely complicated unwritten social rules to strip them down to a more basic animal nature. Switching to a homosexual lifestyle does reduce the complications of interacting with a different gender that has its own instinctive behaviour when it comes to sex and romance, as now everyone is thinking with their dick and know what it is like to think with their dick.
 
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Z6HGR-8V8TM-GXEWM said:
How was it declassified?
I'm really curious
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More or less the same way gay marriage passed in the US. There wasn't some groundbreaking study that revealed anything new, just political maneuvering that got it declassified. Same as the tranny thing. And as we've seen in recent years, it's pretty clear to the average person that there's something quite floridly mentally ill clustering around the troon question.

It's a tough spot to be in. Is there a relatively benign expression of "eh, this girl's just a lesbian"? We may never know. There's no unsullied interest in finding out. The Jesus people would want to prove it's disordered. The prog crowd would want to prove it's not. There's also obviously a miasma of freakish people who latch onto all of these labels and further muddy the water; did the gay cause them to be insane, or is the gay something already insane people attach themselves to? Are there otherwise sane people who have this one oddity, and should they be treated differently from the wacky fetish crew? Is there a meaningful way to quickly tell the difference from the outside? How do you tell a Buffalo Bill skinwalker from a person with a genuine mental illness and a desire to have it handled?

In that way, at least homosexuality is different from the troon question. The T obviously requires medical (physical or mental) intervention of -some- variety. The psychological community removing it from the list of mental illnesses did no favors to anyone.

Removing the LGB from the list is more grey. Does it require intervention? If so, does it *always* require intervention? Is it something to fix? The problem with removing it by fiat is that we stopped asking those questions, and so now we're stuck with no answers to them.
 
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whale roads said:
I pedantically reject the concept of "homosexuality" as a "state of being," which is entirely a 20th century invention.

I believe however, that a certain predisposition towards same-sex-attraction may be the result of the interplay of the following genetic and environmental factors: Abnormal hormonal loads (both innate and environmental); Various environmental stressors; Psychosexual trauma, especially abuse; Genetic and social variabilities regarding the disgust response; And specific social influences regarding sexual behavior
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So if you're a bit of a fag once, you're not marked as a fag for your life? I haven't read Foucault so I have no idea how it worked before the modern age.
 
just general depravity and lack of self control

lust has always been a human impulse, some christian (and jew) commentaries theorize that it is actually the root of all sin (adam ate the fruit because men do stupid shit when hot girls ask them to do things, and eve was probably the hottest chick ever to exist, and circumcision is a metaphorical flesh sacrifice to atone, etc).....

it is one thing to feel lustful feelings toward someone, can happen to anyone, and im sure it has, i know its happened to me*. being too weak to resist those urges can also happen to anyone. but being PROUD of this animalistic behavior is where you're really fucking yourself up more than anything.

it is often said being gay is not a choice, but i promise you, at least for me, my penis has never ended up in someone i didn't actively make a conscious decision/choice to put it in.

it doesnt COME FROM anywhere really, though, other than humans just being impulsive and stupid children

*not in a fag way. im talking about being attracted to or lusting after women who are just trainwrecks in someway
 
I read the fairly wat theory that homosexuality is caused by some species of parasitic worms (IIRC).

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(it was a screencap of a 4chan post IIRC)
 
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While not all gays are a result of trauma, you will see a good chunk of them and hell, of the LGBTQ community, are.

I wouldnt say homesexuality is unnatural as a whole but it is unnatural on the reproduction aspect.

What I mean is that homexuality can happen but it mostly happens when a community is comfortable enough to do so. In a situation where reproduction is a priority, it just simply doesnt tend to happen or, at least, not socially accepted. In tough times, homesexuality is even more rare because it means you wont contribute on humanity's numbers, thus making you less important and no one wants that. Thus why it tends to happen more when society is in a comfortable spot where our numbers arent really a concern.
 
Our closest genetic cousins are the bonobo monkeys, and they aren't seen in zoos much because they fuck all the time and with no limits, family and same-sex is on the table. I believe there's a hypotheses that the more a species has sex as a social event and not pure instinct, the more likely they will have sex on forms not conductive to reproduction.
 
Betonhaus said:
Our closest genetic cousins are the bonobo monkeys, and they aren't seen in zoos much because they fuck all the time and with no limits, family and same-sex is on the table. I believe there's a hypotheses that the more a species has sex as a social event and not pure instinct, the more likely they will have sex on forms not conductive to reproduction.
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“Animals do it” is not really an argument. Animals are instictive and their sexual urges lead to rape, incest, bestiality, etc.

It doesn't prove that homosexuality is a beautiful gift of nature, but rather, as you've mentioned, that some animals may have recreational sex. I really don't buy into gay animals for what I've mentioned, they're just trying to fuck a hole and don't care much of it.
 
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Nuns with guns said:
“Animals do it” is not really an argument. Animals are instictive and their sexual urges lead to rape, incest, bestiality, etc.

It doesn't prove that homosexuality is a beautiful gift of nature, but rather, as you've mentioned, that some animals may have recreational sex. I really don't buy into gay animals for what I've mentioned, they're just trying to fuck a hole and don't care much of it.
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If anything it raises the question if monosexuality is natural, or just something that's culturally enforced.
 
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