What is the strongest argument for the existence of God?

draggs said:
In the first planck instant after the big bang, the laws of physics as we know them don't describe the condition of the universe

those laws literally didn't exist

then from the second planck instant until present, they did exist and have been the rules of reality

science can't explain why things were the way they were in that first planck instant, or the processes that made the change from planck instant #1 to planck instant #2

so reality, somehow, organized itself in that moment to the way it has been ever since, or something organized it
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When you see a rock that vaguely resembles a face, do you assume there was a sculptor, or that your brain recognized a pattern?
 
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The strongest argument can only come from one's own experiences. From within. In fact, that's one of the highlights of having a go at the whole human experience - you get to find that connection. No one else's experience of the answer will be your own, though there may be similarities.

I'd like to offer a constructive suggestion towards that goal, as well. If you sit comfortably/quietly with eyes closed and release thought, you may become aware of a part of you that feels much "bigger" and more "real" than your meat suit. You have an absolutely unique inner signature or tone, so to speak.

To paraphrase some extremely distorted writings trying to help you realize this: Be still and know, friends. Seek first the kingdom within you.
 
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Gender: Xenomorph said:
When you see a rock that vaguely resembles a face, do you assume there was a sculptor, or that your brain recognized a pattern?
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This doesn't actually address the core issue with chalking everything up to random chance. For everything in creation to line up as perfectly as it does for all the interlocking systems to work the way they do would require such an infinitessimally small percentage of success that it's practically impossible for it to occur without some kind of guidance or order.

For example, did you know that if the speed of light was even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of an attosecond slower or faster than it actually is, it wouldn't be possible for life to exist within the universe?

That's not the end result of random plinky plonky dice bouncing around in the aether, that's the result of intelligent design. Screaming at clouds because of personal resentment that you do actually have a purpose within this universe isn't going to change that.

Fek said:
The strongest argument can only come from one's own experiences. From within. In fact, that's one of the highlights of having a go at the whole human experience - you get to find that connection. No one else's experience of the answer will be your own, though there may be similarities.

I'd like to offer a constructive suggestion towards that goal, as well. If you sit comfortably/quietly with eyes closed and release thought, you may become aware of a part of you that feels much "bigger" and more "real" than your meat suit. You have an absolutely unique inner signature or tone, so to speak.

To paraphrase some extremely distorted writings trying to help you realize this: Be still and know, friends. Seek first the kingdom within you.
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Oh boy, I get to post the video again!

 
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Str8Bustah said:
This doesn't actually address the core issue with chalking everything up to random chance. For everything in creation to line up as perfectly as it does for all the interlocking systems to work the way they do would require such an infinitessimally small percentage of success that it's practically impossible for it to occur without some kind of guidance or order.

For example, did you know that if the speed of light was even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of an attosecond slower or faster than it actually is, it wouldn't be possible for life to exist within the universe?

That's not the end result of random plinky plonky dice bouncing around in the aether, that's the result of intelligent design. Screaming at clouds because of personal resentment that you do actually have a purpose within this universe isn't going to change that.


Oh boy, I get to post the video again!

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The probability argument is weak because it assumes things had to be the way they are. If things were tweaked we don’t really know what that would mean. That assumption relies on thinking that conditions were made to accommodate life instead of assuming that life developed to accommodate the conditions present.
 
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Gender: Xenomorph said:
When you see a rock that vaguely resembles a face, do you assume there was a sculptor, or that your brain recognized a pattern?
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you misunderstand

to talk about it using a rock

in that first planck instant after the big bang where there was no rock

reality existed, but the rock (the rules governing and explaining reality, the laws of physics) did not

the rock cannot explain and did not govern reality in that first instant. the rock did not exist in that first instant

then, in the second planck instant, the rock existed

and that rock can and does govern and explain reality ever since

the rock came into existence, as far as I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE can tell, ex nihilo

what explains the rock appearing ex nihilo? is the question
 
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Meriasek said:
Everything came from something. The totality of existence must have come from something bigger than itself, lest it entirely came from itself in a cyclical fashion. But this cycle would perceptionally have to have started somewhere, too, unless you can argue that the cyclical universe simply does not have a definable starting point.
Thus it stands to reason that there is something larger than this universe that started it.

Of course, the same argument can be made about God ("who created God"), requiring the definition of an arbitrary absolute to end the argument ("Nothing created God as God is the absolute supreme").
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We know who created God.

We know God is Christian Christopher Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Goddess Blueheart.

So we know he came into being with Bob and Barb, and just went back in time to create the universe.

Duuuuuuuuuuh!
 
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Before everything was, there needs to be the possibility of everything happening afterwards within the past, which includes the mental exercise of talking about those things. From that alone, the existence of God becomes pretty obvious.

Another thing to consider also is that materialists see the world and the being as a thing by seeing similarities with matter and other processes, but the thing is, they don't do the opposite mental exercise which is equally valid, how we experience things, our wordless emotions and feelings, thoughts, forms of all kinds of shapes, our self which is itself and not another, are all also part of reality. They aren't only within you, or this world, or the universe, they exist on a fundamental level. We aren't some kind of freakish anomaly that shouldn't be.

God infused the universe with his essence so we may see ourselves in it, we are dust, after all.
 
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The existence of a fictional god has created much misery. In fact, it has created the misery and set out to make you accept the misery. I’m glad I’m not part of that game.

For those who believe and are happy I am delighted they find solice in the belief.
 
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Brightstar777 said:

What is the strongest argument for the existence of God?​

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I met this person he's a friend of mine no matter how mean you are to this guy no matter how nasty you are he always is the best in people unless you're generally a bad person he knows when people are generally bad people he's one of the most devout Christians I've ever met and will literally go out of his way to help others and he expects nothing out of it.
And when you look into his eyes you can see the light of the Lord has touched this man's soul
 
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MadStan said:
The existence of a fictional god has created much misery. In fact, it has created the misery and set out to make you accept the misery. I’m glad I’m not part of that game.

For those who believe and are happy I am delighted they find solice in the belief.
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This is a thread about arguments for the existence of Wendy's, sir
 
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Unarmed Gunman said:
For instance, the idea that we just "poofed" into existence from Nothing?
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You can not believe in the theory of big bang, doesn't mean there has to be a creator. It just means you don't know what there was before. The big bang is not the god of atheists.

Str8Bustah said:
You do have faith, you have faith in your own skills of rationalization and faith in the scientific method, ie faith in yourself and faith in the works of men. The problem is that you don't think this is a faith system because it's grounded in the material and not the metaphysical, when the reality is that the metaphysical and the material are very closely intertwined, but we make often make a conscious choice to blind ourselves to one or the other to our own detriment.
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Now we're getting into semantics, there is more than one meaning for the word faith, one is "great trust or confidence in something or someone", which is what you're referring to when you talk about my "faith" in the scientific method, and then there is "strong belief in God or a particular religion". Trusting a method or a tool to work when you using isn't the same as believing in and worshipping a deity.
 
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Which god? There is certainly an entity that rules this universe that we can call "God." The universe cannot exist without a divine entity, because nothing can't create anything. Atheists try and make up shit like the "Big Bang" which cannot actually be the beginning of the universe. It's almost certainl not even possible to mathematically describe this era of our universe, since math is an incomplete system.

The God of the Bible on the other hand has no evidence for his existance. He's just Yahweh, a Semitic storm god who some Jews decided was the same as the god El and then decided to stop worshipping other gods.
Gender: Xenomorph said:
What is the difference between the stuff in the bible and the whole xenu scientology shit?
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The stuff in the Bible was made up because the Jews were getting the shit kicked out of them by other nations like Moab, Samaria, etc. so they (probably Elijah and other so-called "prophets") decided to make up a new religion and Jewish kings like Hezekiah and Josiah liked it and blamed all their problems on people not following it. Scientology was made up so L. Ron Hubbard and his buddies would make a lot of money and have lots of women to sex up.
 
One Winged Pear Farmer said:
The probability argument is weak because it assumes things had to be the way they are. If things were tweaked we don’t really know what that would mean. That assumption relies on thinking that conditions were made to accommodate life instead of assuming that life developed to accommodate the conditions present.
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Either way you're still relying on an assumption, so why would you assume things to be one way than assume them to be the other when there's no proof that material science would accept as concrete evidence available for either theory?

This is what people mean when they say that at the end of the day it all boils down to whether you have faith in the Lord, or faith in the works of men. Dressing it up doesn't change that.
 
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