What is the worst thing about the left?

[Erika Furudo]

What passes for "the left" in the West is anything but, it's a neoliberal virtue signalling circle jerk that's massively in support of a hypercapitalist status quo and a postmodernist philosophy that goes completely against dialectical materialism. I'm an old fashioned communist and I'm sick of the liberals co-opting the language and symbols of leftism while promoting the antithesis of it... It's a shame and I hope when (not if) the backlash comes against it it'll not just be left to the conservative Right to deal with it all, we need to root it out from the Left and make it clear it's nothing to do with us and we can actually address these issues.

I'm curious, where exactly does this divide come from? I'm not a communist, but from an outsiders perspective I actually agree with you. I don't see any talk of supporting working class people, only some lip service and some quotes like only losing your chains, blah, blah, blah. Nothing really concrete and tangible, then they go and smash up your local store.
But as an outsider I also see these people as the dominant group in communist and socialist circles, at least online and when I walk past a stall trying to hand me pamphlets on socialism. It just comes off as middle class people hijacking an ideology with a mentality of "Ok, so if they are getting free stuff, here is what I want". They don't seem like working class people and their policies reflect it, I mean hey lots of working class folks talking about issues with migration and jobs, lets just call them racist and dismiss their concerns. It's especially funny in certain countries where the working class once made up the base of the socialist vote, now they hate the socialist parties and think they are out of touch.

Did this all start with OWS? I remember that's when I first saw the progressive stack, and it successfully killed the movement by diverting peoples energy and dividing them. How do you think these people came to be? If you're a communist how did these people end up in the same group, but with such a radically different view of it? Also how would you describe the ratio, because your group seems like a minority to me, or is it a silent majority?

On topic the thing I hate most about the left is "No room for truth". Even if I can agree with, or be sympathetic to certain ideas, it doesn't matter when it's never enough, you always need to keep pushing even if it's fucking everything up. The idea that certain things exist for a reason is an alien concept to the left, and they will push everything until it breaks. They just can't admit X is a good idea if it's not tied to gheir dogma, or that they got Y wrong.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

I think it started further back than that, with postmodernism in the '60s and '70s, although I don't know how much they called themselves "left" or tried to insinuate it into left-wing politics. There were still powerful left wing movements in the West at the time separate from them, so they hadn't completely overrun the place yet.
As for what the majority view is: I'm in the UK and actual communists here are a very small minority. The majority is in favour of some softer social democratic policies like the National Health Service, nationalisation of natural monopolies like rail, energy and telecomms, legal protections, rights and safety at work (though many will complain about red tape and "elf and safety gone mad", so there's a balance to be struck).
But I'd say the neoliberal, postmodernist "left" alienates people even more - there's very much a sense that this is being pushed from the top, a lot of people complain that it's stifling free speech and ruining working life (if you can be reported to your employer for using "the wrong pronouns" for example, your job security is pretty poor). Generally there's a sense of live and let live, but when it starts making demands of people and taking away what protections and spaces they have, they get pissed off with it. That really turned people off the Labour party at the last election even though surveys suggested that most people agreed with its manifesto regarding health, education, industry etc. That and they didn't make their position on Brexit very clear. It's allowed the Right to make ridiculously easy wins and go largely unchallenged. Especially when it's infiltrated trade unions too; the fact that trade unions were barely interested in Maya Forstater's case or in teachers' concerns around child safeguarding, but they'll push all this pronouns nonsense, shows how even left wing organisations are captured by this bullshit.
Not to get too tinfoil hat about it, but when I see big banks and law firms doing all this Woke stuff, I do wonder if it really is being pushed from the top rather than just something that arose naturally through academic navelgazing. Groups like the Stryker Corporation and Arcus Foundation certainly have a hand in it.

 

[Erika Furudo]

Also from the UK, socialist concepts are pretty much the norm as you know, and yet Labour got demolished by Boris. Even Labour strongholds flipped, and I think it was/is entirely down to Labour not supporting Brexit. Lots of places that were labour stronholds also had very strong Brexit views, maybe they were passionate about the EU, but I think it mostly came down to decades of "Everything wrong with our politics is due to the EU", then Merkel inviting everyone into Europe with no consultation, then expecting everyone to just deal with it. People really disliked seeing Germany just do shit on its own then expect everyone else to support them. Add in decades of people just sneering at complaints of migration and you have Brexit. I'm not even opposed to migration, we have lots of chavs who don't work, and lots of poles who will work, but you can't just dismiss the issue entirely.
Oh and Corbyn was pissing off the army, you had the media spinning his anti-Israel stance into anti Jewish and he did seem to push some progressive policies and had a liberal edge to his policies. Labour is still fucked though, but that's on Blair on the political level, and middle class liberals on the personal level, allthough Boris has royally fucked up this pandemic response, so I'm guessing labour wins next year.

Personally I think a lot of it is pushed at a corporate level. OWS was killed by it, and "diversity" is a great weapon to use against people, punish people you dislike for homophobia or whatever, and then just ensure none of your middle eastern divisions put up any gay pride stuff (until it becomes socially acceptable and then it won't hurt your profits). Add in how making things global allows you to depress wages, I mean Google pushing coding, I wonder what they could have to gain from a surplus of people with that skillset? It just seems like everything is driven to reduce costs (flood labour markets) while increasing consumerism (break down group identiy while creating consumerist identies like being a "gamer"). You only have to look at the American riots, lots of local small businesses destroyed, Amazon can tank losing a few stores, but that little business had only 1. Big corporations cheered it, politicians defended it, and regular people lost their livelihoods, oh and now there is a huge repair bill for the taxpayers who have been unable to work for months. It's fucked up and seems rigged, liberals, anarchists and communists are doing wonders for corporations and they don't even realise it.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Worst thing?
Probably the fact that surface-level features of leftism get appropriated by corporations and used for monetary gain.

Look how progressive an woke we are! Do you see our rainbow-colored logo? Do you see how diverse our employees are?

Meanwhile, busts unions and uses child labour like a boss. Oh, and workforce diversity correlates with lower chance of unionization.

 

[FEETLOAF]

I hate their inability to understand basic rhetorical and metaphysical distinctions.
Inaction vs action
Something I did vs Something someone else did
Keeping what's mine vs taking what's yours
natural suffering vs injustice
Something done to you by someone vs something that happened to you
etc

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Because they got the right ideas on many things but have bad solutions or outdated solutions to said problems.

Because they expect to click their fingers and the solution suddenly appears.

Forget about how it needs to happen, and that to have it happen yesterday, would mean that everyone would need to ration their food, water, any and every resource, until yesterday becomes today. That there would be nothing new for a very very long time, that they would not be kings of the castle, and treated like royalty for their part, in the destruction of the human race, oops sorry...for making the world a better place.

I fucking hate the left so much, and by that, I mean the brainwashed masses that don't believe 2+2=4, that regardless of how morally bankrupt it makes me, I want them all homeless, living on the streets, with no mummy and daddy handing them money whenever they scream, because it's easier to hand princess (because they are all princesses these days) than dealing with the guilt they are forced to bear, due to things that are NOT their fault.

I used to be someone that could be friends with anyone, it didn't matter who or what you were, if you respected yourself and others enough, I could be your friend. Now I firmly go by the belief that 'if someone shows you who they are, believe them', I don't give anyone a chance any longer. If you belong to the brainwashed masses, you can never be my friend.

I hate them for that!

 

[Just_A_guy]

Their hypocrisy is the worst part. The hate Nazis and facists while instituting facist polices.

They lack self awareness and just consume the shit they are told and don't question anything and scream at everyone who does.

 

[Not Really Here]

The fact they don't understand that conserving and supporting a 19th century political theory is conservative and not progressive.
The fact they seem to think there's a utopian ideal point humanity can progress to in the first place, seemingly unaware that when humans have everything they desire they generally become self destructive (see most children of the ultra wealthy).

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

Hypocrisy by far.

 

[DeadFish]

Because they expect to click their fingers and the solution suddenly appears.

Forget about how it needs to happen, and that to have it happen yesterday, would mean that everyone would need to ration their food, water, any and every resource, until yesterday becomes today. That there would be nothing new for a very very long time, that they would not be kings of the castle, and treated like royalty for their part, in the destruction of the human race, oops sorry...for making the world a better place.

I fucking hate the left so much, and by that, I mean the brainwashed masses that don't believe 2+2=4, that regardless of how morally bankrupt it makes me, I want them all homeless, living on the streets, with no mummy and daddy handing them money whenever they scream, because it's easier to hand princess (because they are all princesses these days) than dealing with the guilt they are forced to bear, due to things that are NOT their fault.

I used to be someone that could be friends with anyone, it didn't matter who or what you were, if you respected yourself and others enough, I could be your friend. Now I firmly go by the belief that 'if someone shows you who they are, believe them', I don't give anyone a chance any longer. If you belong to the brainwashed masses, you can never be my friend.

I hate them for that!

I've taken the black hat attitude towards progress. Basically break it until they fix it. If they don't fix I? Then profit.

 

[EarthquakeMachine]

The most frustrating thing about the current Progressive Left is their incessant need to shame people and make people confess their sins. Eric Weinstein had a good analogy of the Progressive Left as white linen suit; you agree to put on this clean, sharp looking suit promising to never get it dirty or stained, but by its nature it is inevitable that it will, and you have to apologize for every mark and infraction.

There's tons of examples of this online. A big one is Red Letter Media; all of their early content was full of gay, rape, tranny jokes, a touch of racism here and there, but as the years went on that part of their humour sort of faded away and while they by no means come across as cucked for the Leftoids, I think there's a definite sense that they've matured. Either A) Genuine development and growth or B) They recognized (rightly) the shift in market forces and if they didn't dial it back, their venture would stop being profitable.

Regardless of which one it is, the Leftoids "won". They got their end goal; less tranny jokes from people with large platforms. But RLM still drive them fucking crazy because they won't bow their heads in shame and apologize. They won't "put on the linen suit" for progressives and spend the rest of their career being chastised for every past mistake, no matter how sincerely they apologized, and being chastised for every single misstep and misdeed that may come up in the future. This inability to get into their heads and make them kneel causes the Left to turn their ire against them every once in a while, but major props to them for neither kneeling nor feeling the mob ammo.

Than there's Lindsay Ellis. Any reasonable person perusing her social media feed will get pretty clearly where she stands politically, what her values are, and what she can be relied upon to endorse (it's all prog shit). Pulled back to a macro-scale, it's obvious to everyone that Ellis is a progressive ally. But her comments are constantly full of these fucking dogs just foaming at the mouth pacing outside her door ready to pounce on every minor infraction.

I'm perfectly fine with reparations for indigenous people for crimes of the past. There's no shame in admitting that and trying to reconcile with communities and trying to reach conditions where westerners can admit "yeah, we did some fucked up shit, and you're owed something for that" and indigenous communities admitting "yeah, history happens and you're here now and there's no reasonable means of dissolving the status quo" and moving forward. However, the Progs are obsessed with maintaining as much racial tension as possible, making white people feel ashamed for what people a hundred years ago did, and keeping the material situations of these communities destitute and angry because that gives progs power and justification for their policies and actions.

There's so much potential for a conservative movement that creates conditions of reconciliation that would completely deflate the Progs from their positions of power. I think there's a definite sense that the Left is useless here in Canada, since making the government apologize before every e-mail for existing on indigenous land really doesn't do anything about the shitty conditions on reservations.

 

[Nobue]

I really hate how they flock to destructive, needlessly-divisive causes, act unbearably smug about it, then act like you're some sort of retarded Nazi when they pretend they never did that when a cause backfires on them. I also hate their self-loathing that they have to make the whole world's problem.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

A lot of modern-day liberals and leftists in western countries are extremely ungrateful and take so much shit for granted. None of them ever acknowledge or appreciate how much freedoms they can enjoy in where they live. I know it's not always perfect, even in first world countries, but these individuals are perpetually unhappy and nothing's ever good enough for them in the countries they live in. They always find the smallest or pettiest things to complain about when there are actual serious issues that they never had to deal with like living in dictatorships with human rights abuses or lack of sanitation and housing.

 

[Nobue]

A lot of modern-day liberals and leftists in western countries are extremely ungrateful and take so much shit for granted. None of them ever acknowledge or appreciate how much freedoms they can enjoy in where they live. I know it's not always perfect, even in first world countries, but these individuals are perpetually unhappy and nothing's ever good enough for them in the countries they live in. They always find the smallest or pettiest things to complain about when there are actual serious issues that they never had to deal with like living in dictatorships with human rights abuses or lack of sanitation and housing.

I was laughing pretty hard when I got around to reading Ted Kaczynski's manifesto. The whole intro describes these types perfectly, and they've somehow gotten MORE obnoxious since then.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

It's pathetic that leftist activists sit on their arses and whine about fuck all but they never actually have a plan of action to solve anything or even start finding ideas to solve the issues first because they can't be bothered and they expect others to do the work for them. But then if others do the work for them, then they have a fit and screech that "it's not their job" to do it or they're not "doing" it correctly. They just want to be perpetual victims and feel sorry for themselves all the time.


It's also very frustrating that they turn a blind eye to why things like honour killings, rising domestic violence and sexual abuse, and FGM are happening in European countries because they refuse to admit that they imported people from completely incompatible cultures who don't assimilate very well. Multiculturalism will never work because vastly different cultures and beliefs will conflict if people aren't assimilated and taught to adopt the customs of the country they're in. Yet they can't seem to get that in their thick skulls. They're too blinded by "white guilt", even if their own country wasn't involved in imperialism.

 

[ABE LINN COHN]

They're just obnoxious people in general. Their personalities are insufferable. Every leftist activist is so smug and irritating to listen to, and the leftists I had class with in high school (I grew up in a blue state) were the biggest hypocrites, the definition of champagne socialists.

 

[Titos]

The fact that they think they are correct both morally and factually at all times and will not hear anything to the contrary. I'm probably fucking insane and even then I still understand that I'm no doubt incorrect on alot of things I say. How hard is it to understand you cannot control everything and that you are not a god?

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

The fact that they think they are correct both morally and factually at all times and will not hear anything to the contrary. I'm probably fucking insane and even then I still understand that I'm no doubt incorrect on alot of things I say. How hard is it to understand you cannot control everything and that you are not a god?

When preachy, morally smug liberals force their views down other people, they tend to gaslight and twist others' words and beliefs based on false equivalency with those whom they don't agree with.

"Oh, so you have some conservative views? You must think the 50s were a great time. You believe that women belong in the kitchen and it's OK to beat and rape your wife and kids!"

 

[Darksy DePhil]

It's hard to pick one thing, but I think the glorification of victimhood is a big turn off. I have an internal locus of control and therefore I don't want to blame everything wrong in my life on some nebulous outside force I can't control. I see so many people who are fast to jump to "this bad thing is happening because I'm xyz" when it's obviously not and they are just using it as a crutch instead of improving themselves. Then everybody pats them on the back and says you're right, your life is bad because of patriarchy and you can't do anything about it. It's so disgusting and self-defeating.

I feel that Leftist politics and philosophy are all about blaming invisible, broad social ills for any sort of inconveniences in life. Yeah, the right does the same shit by blaming jews, blacks or feminists sometimes, but at least the more moderate types point out stuff like Economics and other (more) objective factors regardless of hurting people's feelings.
Meanwhile, at the Left: Unemployment? Caused by evil rich people classism and nothing else. Mental illness? Always caused by environmental factors, Don't blame genetics or else you're a eugenicist tool. Don't even get me started with blaming racism and sexism for everything while living in the most multicultural age the world has seen so far...

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

I feel that Leftist politics and philosophy are all about blaming invisible, broad social ills for any sort of inconveniences in life. Yeah, the right does the same shit by blaming jews, blacks or feminists sometimes, but at least the more moderate types point out stuff like Economics and other (more) objective factors regardless of hurting people's feelings.
Meanwhile, at the Left: Unemployment? Caused by evil rich people classism and nothing else. Mental illness? Always caused by environmental factors, Don't blame genetics or else you're a eugenicist tool. Don't even get me started with blaming racism and sexism for everything while living in the most multicultural age the world has seen so far...

The left is very collectivist, there's not a single drop of individualism in it. One group is an evil oppressor and the other group is oppressed and is always a victim. You're either completely with them or you're fully against them in their "fights" for equality, etc. That's why you see so much infighting.