What is the worst thing about the right?

[ArnoldPalmer]

The worst thing about the right wing is that it doesn't exist in a meaningful capacity

 

[The Last Stand]

Aside from ACB, none of the women on that side are positive representations of modern feminism.

 

[niqlo]

I find that terms like "right-wing" and "left-wing" don't really make much sense. A "right-wing" politician can advocate for the exact same policies as a "left-wing" one. When you think about it, it's all just pretty abstract and arbitrary. It's more of an identity thing, people like to use these terms to refer to themselves because they want to feel like part of a group, have something larger to identify with.

I think that in the US, everyone's so into this identity politics, the two sides can't agree on practical things purely because they don't want to side with the opposite group. When in reality, they're not really so different. This works for the government, because it prohibits the entire people from joining forces against the government. The entire thing is pretty fucked.

 

[Meat Target]

The Right blithely thinks they can work with the Left if they occasionally throw the latter a bone and ask them nicely.

The Right is either oblivious or apathetic to the Left's psychotic obsession with gaining power and "ends-justify-the-means" mentality.

The Right aren't so much cucks as they are idealists and rule-followers. Problem is, they're trying to win fair and square in a game of Calvinball.

 

[Honk Hill]

A distinct lack of free helicopter rides and support for socially acceptable poofter bashing.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

Their morality gets in the way of being taken seriously.

 

[L50LasPak]

In the UK, the only reason about 75% of Conservative voters vote Conservative is to keep Labour out of office. Boris and his government suck, but Labour's manifesto gets more extreme and deranged every year so anyone with half a brain votes Tory because it's literally the only rational option. British politics is in a holding pattern that gives the Tories a mandate to turn the country into an ever more authoritarian hell hole and basically do whatever they want. The people in this country have basically no say in how they are governed and are pushed around like supplicants and serfs by a thousand over-mighty and unaccountable government agencies that are run entirely for their own benefit. All the meanwhile BoJo drones on about liberty as the country becomes a Police State.

This is where I'd normally say the right seems to do something different but there are few good options. We don't have guns, the Police and Army are fanatically loyal due to the power the government gives them, people who want a different system are locked out of democratic politics by the monolithic party system and by the media (part of the same system) who churn out propaganda praising this lunacy.

It is different to some extent in America since you still have fanatically loyal camps of Republicans and other conservative types who haven't made or seen any appreciable progress since Donald Trump, and I'm hesitant to count him as a success. But you do still have people going to rallies, voting, and in general participating in a system that works against them with no appreciable results. Even that holding pattern the UK has apparently achieved basically doesn't exist in the US.

Its interesting you mention gun rights and the like though, because, while I'm not in favor of overturning them, I have been considering for a long time that they contribute a great deal to keeping the Right wing pacified in this country. The idea that as long as you have your guns everything is fine, even if literally everything else in the country has been turned overwhelmingly against you. Abortion seems to serve the same purpose of keeping the Right distracted with a singular issue while the rest of the carpet gets ripped out from under them, just in the opposite direction.

At the moment my choices are to prep for when the system collapses under its own weight, or just to emigrate.

I think fewer people realize this than most people might think. The Right in the US in particular is in deep denial about things and still seems to be convinced that they'll just retake the government in another 8 years.

 

[raspberry mocha]

That everything they don't like is communist.

 

[asr]

I think that the right can be currently broken into a few splinter groups, all of which are gay/bad:

First you have the establishment "conservatives" these I would classify as your normal political types that pander to your face while they stab the future of your family in the back simultaneously. Think RINOS, Think the GOP, This what would also be part of the uniparty that serves to act as the heel for the other side, to give the illusion of choice. In reality these people and the DNC all serve the same masters. Boomers still have blinders on and can't see the hands up the asses of the establishment treating it as a puppet. Why this is the case? I presume some level of nostalgia, trust in the system, etc

Second you have your internet wannabe establishment types and/or grifters: Think Ben Shapiro, these are just more hip and with the times uniparty cocksuckers, they also happen to be better at marketing themselves (though I assume there is some level of seed money from would be masters, even they can see how the wind blows). Here your slightly more aware "conservative" spends his attention span, yet is also unable to see the same issues that plague it.

Third you have the those the internet "conservatives". Those would range from the Nick Fuentes types to the more esoteric Ryan Dawson types. This group is neither free from subversion as well Imo, given all the glow in the dark ops that occur on the web. Here is where your young disenfranchised men, grifters, and actual true believers in things like ethnostates, fascism, third positionists, etc

There's one common trait to all these people; they're people and thus not perfect. If I had to really give blame to any one group and call them the worst it would be the uniparty establishment which has conspired to bring about this current timeline. I can empathize with the young disenfranchised men, I can even empathize with the boomer, but I can't do so with the likes of the GOP.

 

[Rapechu]

The problem, is that "conservatives" (IE American style conservatives) are not right wing. They are just a different flavor of liberals, who follow Locke and Burke. They aren't the controlled opposition, they are the open opposition, to half of their own followers. Right wing retards think for some reason that they can join with these people and they will lead a counter-revolution, and are always astonished when they conserve absolutely nothing.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Aside from ACB, none of the women on that side are positive representations of modern feminism.

I might've prematurely disagreed with this, but can you elaborate?

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

They're reactive instead of proactive.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

Someone above posted a soyjack meme of a trump supporter swallowing black cock-as vulgar as that image was, it does have a great deal of truth to it.

WHAT IS VULGARITY IN A TIME OF MONSTERS??
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the rest are just as warmongering as the left

The reality that progressives are more the warmongers, and the reactionary zealots for Family, Faith, and Fatherland are more the pacifist faction geopolitically (at least in isolationism) today with Trump refusing Syria and elsewhere to be brought in while Newscasters, married into the democratic party, orgasmed at cruise missiles hitting targets in the desert.

This is the point where I could never call myself again a member of the Democratic base. Once you see that every peace movement backs a Clinton rather than a Paul in Congress or the White House, every leftist mob having a shit-fit about war fills you with contempt where you once could have felt brotherhood or sisterhood with the protesters.

There are no political solutions to petrol-dollar wars, neither side is worth a damn.

The fact that they are foot soldiers for capital despite claiming not to be.

(Yes, I know the demonrats are too, if slightly less so. I'm not letting them off the hook either).

Corporate America halts donations to Republicans who voted to overturn the election
Corporate America takes away Trump’s toys
JPMorgan freezes donations to Republicans who contested 2020 election

The ground is moving, the democrats are the party of the billionaire (who buys up the newspaper men) and the bankers (who lobby for the money schemes) today. Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and JP Morgan were among Obama's top donors and they sit in Democrat White Houses operating power. I realize the Republicans are whores, we aren't arguing about that, but I would argue Democrats are ever so slightly more foot soldiers for capital since their base is less mindful of their actions in power since the newspapers cover for them. Whereas Republicans need to keep their base voting for them, so they've shifted into not quite 100% being foot soldiers for capital in the past.

The worst thing about the right wing is that it doesn't exist in a meaningful capacity

The worst thing about the left is that they act disgusting.
The worst thing about the right is that they disgustingly refuse to act.

The left are afraid of their Christian Zealotry, but show me where Trump secretly spent time and money in Texas fighting against abortion. The right act Christian only off in the corners surprisingly from time to time. If they preached morality, and scorned their opposition consistently I would show them respect. But anyone who would not play ball with the left was scandalized and removed decades ago, and the remainder of Republicans aren't even brave (cunning is just out of the question) except in the dark corners where strong men have not been purged by leftist outrage and Republican kowtowing.

They aren't the controlled opposition, they are the open opposition, to half of their own followers.

"Cohesive center-right parties have facilitated political stability and compromises, while their disintegration has empowered radical challengers. After presenting an overview of right-wing politics in Western democracies and weighing different definitions of the electoral right, we discuss two factors that shape variations in center-right cohesion: organizational robustness of center-right partisan institutions and the (un)bundling of conservative mass attitudes on different policy dimensions. Last, we argue that a full account of the rise of the radical right cannot focus solely on the strategies of the center-left but must incorporate also the choices, opportunities, and constraints of center-right parties."

Center-Right Political Parties in Advanced Democracies​

"Although most research on recent electoral developments has focused on the decline of the center-left or the rise of the radical right, center-right parties have historically played, and continue to play today, a consequential role in shaping the politics of advanced democracies. At key political junctures, cohesive center-right parties have proved consequential in facilitating the historical compromises at the heart of postwar democratic stability. We have made the case for comparative research on center-right parties and focused on understanding variations in their cohesion. As the center-right, like all mainstream parties, loses its share of voters, the consequences are potentially far-reaching.

As one direction of future research, we see much promise in bringing scholarship on the American right into a broad comparative framework. We have aimed to practice what we preach and to situate research by scholars of American politics next to works that focus on other Western democracies. More could be done to normalize the American case within the comparative literature on electoral politics. The rising support for radical populist right-wing parties and candidates—not only in Europe but also in the United States—has increased the urgency of studying the electoral right by drawing on a shared conceptual and theoretical apparatus. What the radical populist right looks like ideologically, whether it succeeds electorally, and its impact on politics more generally, all hinge to a great degree on the role and strategic stances taken by the center-right."

The Center-Right political parties are literal golems, designed to catch people leaving the Left in disgust and offering a false salvation which is carefully managed to abase itself to "the Left" in the name of losing nobly. Entire schools of thought exist to cultivate proper slogan-netting to catch radicals, conduct which will lose to "the Left" in newspapers and other formal occasions, and values which seem to give you what you want but are crafted with more foresight than you think to never actually threaten "the Left". Once you see the extent that center-right parties are fake and gay golems only, then you see the cage we're in politically and whose cage it is.

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[Ishtar]

“WHAT IS VULGARITY IN A TIME OF MONSTERS??”

I don’t disagree with your post, but vulgarity is debasing, even if it reflects truth.

Anyway-yes the center right exists to convince the Right that losing is the goal, so long as it done nobly.

 

[Rapechu]

Warning: autistic rant

Any idea of a "center" is pure nonsense. In practical terms, you can view modern western politics along three axis: the liberals (capitalist globalist oligarchy), the left (marxists) and the right (a hodgepodge of Christians and nationalists and other smaller groups, who generally only agree on one thing and that is that they don't want a globalist homogenous moral-relativist society). These ideologies are all diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive. The "centrists" are just liberals who propagandize themselves as being moderates (and therefore all the others are implied to be irrational extremists). In the days of King Louis, this faction's predecessors (back then known as the left) massacred thousands of political enemies and continued to do so for centuries. These people are themselves more radical than any other ideology in history. Look at the past 1000 years and you will see that they are a far outlier as far as human societies go. Your "center-right" and "republicans" and "conservatives" are not aligned with any concrete principles, they believe in "societal progress" as much as any leftist. Their belief, in a nutshell, is that human societies evolve along more or less social darwinistic routes, and therefore, whatever the present state of society is, is good, because it was created by time and pressure and popular will. This sounds like a good idea for stopping the globohomo agenda, except it isn't. Because when their political enemies come and force them to change society, they are left with their thumbs up their ass and all they can say is "uh... well this is the new normal so it must be good". They have no absolute moral principles with which to push back. Inevitably, they retreat to a platform based on claims of superior economic prowess because they have nothing else. Oh, and "freedom", they will also claim to represent "freedom", which they don't, because traditionally freedom has always meant freedom from foreign dominance, but we're ruled by jews, so their reinvented idea of freedom is freedom from morals. The "center-left" also isn't really left, but it is just postmodernist liberalism, and the only good thing I can say about "conservatives" is that they're not as rabidly destructive as these people even though they come from the same roots. These are the ones pushing the idea "everything is subjective, everything's a social construct, everyone's the exact same, respect my pronouns".

Why are things so shitty these days? Well, after ww2, these liberals swept through Europe from the west while commies swept from the east, and they massacred any vaguely right wing person they could find. Even in the French State, which wasn't even Nazi, but SURRENDERED to the Nazis, they massacred so-called "collaborationists", which even included journalists like Brassilach. Afterwards, they burnt books (something they often accuse their enemies of doing), destroyed statues and even graves; spewed all sorts of propaganda from every orifice about war crimes (while memory holing their own war crimes) and generally completely oppressed the locals with their "liberal freedom" in an attempt to completely re-engineer the society of the occupied peoples to be subservient to their political bloc. From this point on, anyone vaguely right wing that ever formed a party, was either propagandized against and harassed or outright banned (eg. Golden Dawn) while these liberals peddled political influence to campaign donors and sold out our society piece by piece.

So that is your "center-right" and "center-left".

 

[Mukhrani]

That everything they don't like is communist.

Yeah this is really annoying. Government = communism is just retarded and is part of what makes the right so ineffectual. Using the government to reward people on your 'team' and punish your enemies is as old as the hills, and a fundamental element of politics, particularly urban politics. Another consequence of this kind of thinking is that there are pretty much no large cities controlled by Republicans. They're all bastions of Democrat machine politics, which is how the Dems get away with most of the ridiculous shit that they pull (fortifying elections, letting BLM/Antifa run rampant, COVID overreach). So what does the right do? Do they try to create their own political machine? Do they do anything effectual, at all? No, they sit on the sidelines and crow about how the Democrat-run cities are all corrupt and dysfunctional. In their fantasy land a Republican run city would be perfect, with a finely-tuned laissez faire economic machine creating endless prosperity, low crime, no corruption, blah blah blah. They never actually sully their hands with the business of governing, they'd rather live in a fantasy world and snipe at the party that they've yielded the arena to.

 

[Muh Vagina]

The fact that they mock the left for valuing feels over reals when they do the same shit.

 

[Prosphora]

All of my problems have already been aired
>Zionism
>Acceptance of cronyism
>Will "gracefully" lose and then whine for 2000 years
>Fostered some of the most retarded takes on Christianity I have ever seen and has globally set back the entire Christian image
>Anti Unionism because "If i worked a 50 hour work week, then you are not entitled to a better life"
>General coping just as the left
>Will bootlick any authority that agrees with them

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Both the right and the left can be culty - and too prudish and authoritarian - but for different reasons.

Like back when America was more conservative, stuff could be censored too much because of conservative Christian values. In Current Year, stuff can be censored too much because of social "justice" values.

 

[Niggernerd]

Shilling for israel and in many cases acting like leftist faggots.