What is your absolute dystopia? - You don't need to tell me, I already know....I am watching you and I know what's best for you.....

"Most of the major cities will be replaced with vast pleasure domes, used exclusively by the excelceites, who are the neo-upperclass. While the displaced hoards of lower-class depth-grobblers will live underground in tiered cities, endlessly toiling away for nuggets of neo-plasmin" -Sam Hyde, 2070 paradigm shift
 
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  • Health insurance increasingly favors profits over care. It begins to grow exponentially expensive and it is almost impossible to find a good plan. People's health suffers even more, leading to medical debt, on top of debts they have already accrued.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • The aging population overwhelms the medical system. Because social security, debt and insurance costs are so high, the elderly can no longer support themselves because of the destruction of pensions and 401ks through various financial crises. Some are abandoned to the state, straining healthcare and resources to the bone.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Social Security and retirement implodes. Because of massive debt that is common, the elderly can no longer afford a standard of living. Social security does not fulfill basic living requirements. This strains the resources of relatives, further decreasing buying power and starting families.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Housing and rent crisis reach critical levels. Because most jobs are based around cities, rental prices in cities skyrocket. Because fewer high paying jobs are offered outside of cities, people are forced to move their. More and more percentage of a person's income is consumed by rent and/or a mortgage. This is worsened by increasing debt loads and rising unemployment.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Because of automation and AI, unemployment skyrockets through the roof. Debts exceed costs and the unemployment program collapses, not being able to offer even a basic modicum of living standard. Mass unemployment leads to civil unrest, which is brutally put down. The gap between rich and poor at this point is impossible to close.
    • (Status - Possible)
  • Due to automation, job replacement and AI, higher and higher degrees are required for less and less jobs. Doctors, Pharmacists, and PhDs are put out to pasture with six figure loan debt with no jobs to pay them. The student loan crisis reaches critical mass and detonates. Most people can no longer afford homes, to get married or start families. No remedy is discussed or implemented.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • AI reaches a critical point whereupon it can predict productivity, efficiency and compensate for quotas. It will also replace high skill jobs, furthering income inequality. Worker morale drops in the gutter. Workers are helpless and can be easily replaced because of this, as higher efficiency workers can be computed by artificial intelligence. AI also reaches the point where it can diagnose medical issues and prescribe the best medication for each condition, eliminating high paying, high skilled doctor and pharmacy jobs.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Automation consumes over 30% of the workforce, both white collar and blue collar. These jobs are not replaced, only by specialist jobs who will offset a small percentage of the workforce. The rich are allowed to have free reign over this, solutions are debated, but none are offered or implimented.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Voting is no longer anonymous. People will be able to see who you voted for, including employers.
    • (Status - Not Happened)
  • Implementation of nebulous hate speech laws in conjunction with the laws below.
    • (Status - Happened. UK, EU)
  • The government implements real identification on all websites. You must use your real name for every site you use, from Twitter to the Kiwifarms. The government is also allowed to check your accounts for speech and prosecute you if you are in violation of any laws. If you lie or use a fake name, you can be fined and imprisoned. VPNs are made illegal.
    • (Status - Purposed)
  • Background checks required on all social media platforms. You must provide employers, by law, all of your accounts and access to these accounts.
    • (Status - Partially happening. Companies monitor this, but not to this massive extent)
  • Death of Creativity. All media must be inspected for diversity, hate speech, proper pronoun usage and creativity. Forms of Entertainment that do not meet this standard are banned. This is now done by the state, as well as private entities.
    • (Status - Happened. China. Partially Happened - Australia's ratings board, BBC, Not Regulated by Government but by Citizens - US)
  • Complete social media monitoring. You cannot join platforms without giving them access to other platforms in order to see you are not posting objectionable content. This goes beyond Patreon to major services you can't get around, like LinkedIn, Google and other resources and programs.
    • (Status - Happened. Patreon artists are being investigated for their art on other platforms)
Well, what I'm trying to say, is we already live in a dystopia. And its only going to get worse from here.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
  • Health insurance increasingly favors profits over care. It begins to grow exponentially expensive and it is almost impossible to find a good plan. People's health suffers even more, leading to medical debt, on top of debts they have already accrued.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • The aging population overwhelms the medical system. Because social security, debt and insurance costs are so high, the elderly can no longer support themselves because of the destruction of pensions and 401ks through various financial crises. Some are abandoned to the state, straining healthcare and resources to the bone.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Social Security and retirement implodes. Because of massive debt that is common, the elderly can no longer afford a standard of living. Social security does not fulfill basic living requirements. This strains the resources of relatives, further decreasing buying power and starting families.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Housing and rent crisis reach critical levels. Because most jobs are based around cities, rental prices in cities skyrocket. Because fewer high paying jobs are offered outside of cities, people are forced to move their. More and more percentage of a person's income is consumed by rent and/or a mortgage. This is worsened by increasing debt loads and rising unemployment.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Because of automation and AI, unemployment skyrockets through the roof. Debts exceed costs and the unemployment program collapses, not being able to offer even a basic modicum of living standard. Mass unemployment leads to civil unrest, which is brutally put down. The gap between rich and poor at this point is impossible to close.
    • (Status - Possible)
  • Due to automation, job replacement and AI, higher and higher degrees are required for less and less jobs. Doctors, Pharmacists, and PhDs are put out to pasture with six figure loan debt with no jobs to pay them. The student loan crisis reaches critical mass and detonates. Most people can no longer afford homes, to get married or start families. No remedy is discussed or implemented.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • AI reaches a critical point whereupon it can predict productivity, efficiency and compensate for quotas. It will also replace high skill jobs, furthering income inequality. Worker morale drops in the gutter. Workers are helpless and can be easily replaced because of this, as higher efficiency workers can be computed by artificial intelligence. AI also reaches the point where it can diagnose medical issues and prescribe the best medication for each condition, eliminating high paying, high skilled doctor and pharmacy jobs.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Automation consumes over 30% of the workforce, both white collar and blue collar. These jobs are not replaced, only by specialist jobs who will offset a small percentage of the workforce. The rich are allowed to have free reign over this, solutions are debated, but none are offered or implimented.
    • (Status - Happening)
  • Voting is no longer anonymous. People will be able to see who you voted for, including employers.
    • (Status - Not Happened)
  • Implementation of nebulous hate speech laws in conjunction with the laws below.
    • (Status - Happened. UK, EU)
  • The government implements real identification on all websites. You must use your real name for every site you use, from Twitter to the Kiwifarms. The government is also allowed to check your accounts for speech and prosecute you if you are in violation of any laws. If you lie or use a fake name, you can be fined and imprisoned. VPNs are made illegal.
    • (Status - Purposed)
  • Background checks required on all social media platforms. You must provide employers, by law, all of your accounts and access to these accounts.
    • (Status - Partially happening. Companies monitor this, but not to this massive extent)
  • Death of Creativity. All media must be inspected for diversity, hate speech, proper pronoun usage and creativity. Forms of Entertainment that do not meet this standard are banned. This is now done by the state, as well as private entities.
    • (Status - Happened. China. Partially Happened - Australia's ratings board, BBC, Not Regulated by Government but by Citizens - US)
  • Complete social media monitoring. You cannot join platforms without giving them access to other platforms in order to see you are not posting objectionable content. This goes beyond Patreon to major services you can't get around, like LinkedIn, Google and other resources and programs.
    • (Status - Happened. Patreon artists are being investigated for their art on other platforms)
Well, what I'm trying to say, is we already live in a dystopia. And its only going to get worse from here.
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Don't you say the pendulum always swings though?
 
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MasterDisaster said:
A world where your social media status holds more merit than anything else you do.
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Already there.

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CheezzyMach said:
Don't you say the pendulum always swings though?
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The problem with such thinking is the assumption that the pendulum is going to swing back to something more favorable/desirable. Who's to say that we don't go so far that it causes the pendulum to swing back hard into yet another different type of dystopia? We have seen this multiple times throughout human history (China, USSR, Germany after the Weimar Republic, etc.) Nevermind the fact that while history will always change that doesn't mean that we will even live to see it change in any real way before things possibly get way worse. I might be young enough to see something good happen at the end of all of this, but the older users might not live to see that luxury.
 
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To me, the ultimate dystopia is a society ruled by fanaticism: where deviation from strict orthodoxy is met with suspicion at best, or at worst, a level of cruelty and suppression the likes of which is distressing to even think about. Such a society would produce no critical thinking, and as a result, no scientific progress, no interesting philosophy, no great art, and no new inventions; it would enjoy neither freedom, nor fun, nor civil society; it would beget only cultural stagnation and perpetual misery.
 
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I watched Mad Max (1979) for the first time yesterday. It was described as depicting a “dystopian” future of “societal collapse, murder, and revenge.” And I gotta say, the dystopian world of Mad Max seems pretty quaint right about now.
 
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To me, the ultimate dystopia is a society ruled by fanaticism: where deviation from strict orthodoxy is met with suspicion at best, or at worst, a level of cruelty and suppression the likes of which is distressing to even think about. Such a society would produce no critical thinking, and as a result, no scientific progress, no interesting philosophy, no great art, and no new inventions; it would enjoy neither freedom, nor fun, nor civil society; it would beget only cultural stagnation and perpetual misery.
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You're basically describing the VirusRegime we're living in right now.
 
Any world where love and creativity do not exist.

The only value that any society needs is "love one another". Although I'm no Bible-banger or Evangelical anything, I like the prescription of 1 Corinthians 13:13 the best. Any society where Faith, Hope, and Love are suppressed is a dystopia to me.

I can deal with a dictator. I can deal with having no individual choice. But I cannot live without love and creativity.
 
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I'm Argentine, I'm ALREADY living in a dystopia

Pictured: Buenos Aires by december this year
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The dystopian society I fear would have none of the brutalitst asthetics but it would be one that is tyrannical in a soft way. With the north Korean or Chinese system there is a path of redemption in some way. One can apologize to their sins and bullshit their way into seeing the light.

Instead it would be one where risk is banned as humanity is strapped into a chair all day and pumped full of drugs to get the appropriate response. I would not know if I died or survived I would be pumped with so many chemicals that I could never know what the world is supposed to feel like.
 
Being treated like second class citizen because of certain affiliation like what was about to happen in Australia for the unvaccinated people.
 
It's already bad enough. Obviously it can (and is) get worse, but I find it horrific that I don't need to look to fiction, shithole countries, or history to know what dystopian hellscapes look like, for it is on the horizon.
 
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The World State in "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley.



Kids read 1984 in high school instead of Brave New World. It's a shame - I think both are great- but Brave New World is a lot edgier and the better novel overall.
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We got the liberty of reading Fahrenheit 451. And bless Ray Bradbury, he called it. And I got ready for it.
 
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