Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[ConSluttant]

The insistance that we be as fully invested in their charade as they are. And children. And the insistance that when a husband troons out that the wife must have always been a lesbian. Fuck that noise. I'm not a lesbian. I'm a transwidow you dickless pervert. I'll fight you until the day I die.

 

[Lady Bizness]

They hit the same notes as any ideology does, which drives me nuts but at the same time drives me to grab some popcorn and watch the dumpster fire. However, unlike other ideologies, this one requires the unwilling participation of others. Do creationists want me to believe the way they do? You bet, especially when I'm working in the realm of science. But when interacting with a creationist I do not have to change (or pretend to change) my beliefs simply to talk to or about them.
Compound that with the support they get on the back of the DEI/CRT wave. My husband keeps telling me it's just because we live in a particular area. Honey, we could move to Florida right now and I'd probably still have to tangle with people of gender in my very captured institution.

 

[Meiwaku]

They come with a Janny mindset. That is all.

 

[AnOminous]

But when interacting with a creationist I do not have to change (or pretend to change) my beliefs simply to talk to or about them.

The very worst a creationist has ever done to me for mocking him is telling me I'll burn in Hell. I mean okay, that's retarded, but that's up to the Big Guy Upstairs if there is one.

Troons routinely threaten death and rape to real women. That's intolerable behavior in a civilized society, and while we apparently don't live in one any more, I demand its return and will not put up with this bullshit without objection.

 

[Pizza Munch]

I saw one at work that was at least 6'6" with half a beard wearing a dress accompanied by a guy with a Jigglypuff belt and one of those furry tails hanging down. I don't like their fetishes being allowed just about everywhere

 

[AnOminous]

I saw one at work that was at least 6'6" with half a beard wearing a dress accompanied by a guy with a Jigglypuff belt and one of those furry tails hanging down. I don't like their fetishes being allowed just about everywhere

No fetish gear should be a completely legal dress code for any private business, and under constitutional law, weird fetish shit is not protected. No shirt, no shoes, no fake tails, no service.

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

And the insistance that when a husband troons out that the wife must have always been a lesbian. Fuck that noise. I'm not a lesbian. I'm a transwidow you dickless pervert. I'll fight you until the day I die.

I fucking hate this shit too.

There's an exception to the Gender Recognition Act in the UK that allows women to divorce their porn-addled AGP husbands who come out as troons, without the relationship ever being recognised as same-sex, but activist groups have been trying to get that overturned for some time.

Imagine having your husband suddenly turn into a narcissistic pervert who steals your clothes, but you're told "well, you must have always been gay or bi!". It's fucking depraved.

 

[Klenvastergan]

For me one of the big things that gets me is when they insist that if you exclude transwomen sexually you're a transphobe, I have never seen a single good reason by their own terms why I can't just have a fetish for cis women, but they won't allow that because anything less than total sexual validation of their fetish is unacceptable to them.

 

[FinnSven]

For me one of the big things that gets me is when they insist that if you exclude transwomen sexually you're a transphobe, I have never seen a single good reason by their own terms why I can't just have a fetish for cis women, but they won't allow that because anything less than total sexual validation of their fetish is unacceptable to them.

A straight man being attracted to women is hardly a fetish.

It’s probably the complete opposite of fetishism.

But I get your point of course, their convoluted logic that if they think they are a woman, straight men should be interested in them.

Back in the Good Old Days that was a common example of why men in dresses where regarded delusional and pitiable.

The fact that you described being straight as a fetish shows how much their twisted logic is influencing society.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

It's the sense of entitlement the vast majority of them seem to have. Controlling what other people can say and think about them, MTF specifically wanting to get their cocks out in the ladies locker room or compete against biological women in sports and make it unfair, getting away with grooming kids all in the name of progress! and if you oppose any of it you're just some alt-right Christian fascist (if you're a man) or a TERF (if you're a woman).

And we don't take it seriously when somebody claims to be "in the wrong body" for any other reason - identify as a different race, age or even species and you get rightfully mocked, but since the troons have hitched their wagon to gay rights the two get conflated all the damn time when they're nothing alike, in fact they're at odds with one another (see: Drop the T) but mainstream opinion says supporting a man's right to wear a dress, call himself Lilith, use feminine pronouns and expose his tackle in the change room is the next logical step from allowing same sex couples to marry. It's disheartening.

 

[Lady Bizness]

A straight man being attracted to women is hardly a fetish.

The fucking Zoomies can't talk about procreative sex without calling it a breeding kink. It used to be just the AGP weirdos or mpreg writers that anyone would accuse of that.

 

[Londo]

They're the most offensive types of people on the planet - a sin against God, man, and nature... yet they expect everyone to believe their fantasy.

One recently got offended because they read me calling their friend mentally ill on the farms.

You'll never be a woman, just like your mentally ill Troon friend will never be a man. Deal with it.

FTM are offensive as all they are is mentally ill women who use a woman's perception of a man to create a facade of one. It's funny as fuck because the ftm that could pass as men usually kill themselves because they can't handle a few months of being treated like a man.

 

[AnOminous]

FTM are offensive as all they are is mentally ill women who use a woman's perception of a man to create a facade of one. It's funny as fuck because the ftm that could pass as men usually kill themselves because they can't handle a few months of being treated like a man.

They're also completely oblivious, much like MTF troons, as to how men actually interact with each other.

Depending on the context, a man viciously insulting another man's mother, sexuality, or other characteristics can either be an invitation to fight right then and there or a way of saying "I love you bro."

No FTM will ever understand or be able to interact this way.

Just like no MTF troon will ever grasp the intricacies of female interaction. Because they're men.

 

[Londo]

They're also completely oblivious, much like MTF troons, as to how men actually interact with each other.

Depending on the context, a man viciously insulting another man's mother, sexuality, or other characteristics can either be an invitation to fight right then and there or a way of saying "I love you bro."

No FTM will ever understand or be able to interact this way.

Just like no MTF troon will ever grasp the intricacies of female interaction. Because they're men.

There's also the societal value; I'm someone who believes women should have equal rights but they definitely don't have equal value.

Men are the ones who maintain infrastructure and defend nations. We do the worst possible jobs and die early because of it. At any point for any reason we will be the first people called upon in to service in times of emergency.

Being a man is more than just having a penis. As you partially touched on, we have a specific mentality. It's more than just existing. Throughout history, regardless of how woke or equal things are, it's normally men who sort ourselves naturally in to a hierarchy during times of need and organise the response. Women spend far too much time discussing what to do instead of just doing it.

That's not to shit on women either. The two sides form one. As you said, they do the same shit with mtf but as a man I can't really say what a woman thinks a woman is... shame that the troons can't have the same attitude

 

[Incel Death Note]

Hall monitor race. Symbiotic sensory organs of corporations and government. Cut off from family, tribe, nation, race - their only loyalty is to whoever will best facilitate their overly luxurious and worldly lifestyle. Solipsistic to the point it harms those around them. BPD as a religion. Histrionic, suicide baiting, no self-awareness, can't talk or think about anything except themselves. Transsexualism breeds the worst type of person like a xenomorph laying eggs in autistics.
Also ugly.

 

[teriyakiburns]

They're also completely oblivious, much like MTF troons, as to how men actually interact with each other.

This has been one of my bugbears for a long time, even before FTMs became a common thing. If a social group is composed of roughly equal numbers of women and men, it usually functions well. If it's composed entirely of women or entirely of men, it usually functions well. It's when you have a social setting comprised of one sex, which is "invaded" by just a small number of the other sex, that things get fucked up.

A single woman, entering a group of men, becomes as danger to the group's social cohesion. Because she doesn't actually understand how men function, she immediately bristles at the way the men treat one another and demands that they moderate their language and behaviour, to make her feel "safe". The men start competing over her, because men compete, and she sees that as both something to control and something that is threatening - because men often compete in order to mate, so to her mind, if they're competing, then they must want to have sex with her. It all goes down hill from there.

A single man, entering a group of women, is immediately perceived as a threat. It doesn't matter if the group specifically invited him, or how conciliatory he is toward them (and in fact the more conciliatory he is, the more threatening he's perceived to be, because he's "trying to be nice", which creates doubts about his sincerity), he's rightly perceived as an invader into a female space. And of course, there's a high chance that the man in that situation is there for only one reason, which at least some of the women will start to compete over, while others will perceive it as even more of a threat, creating all sorts of divisions within the group.

Troons are men and women who are wearing a disguise to sneak into a space where they don't belong. They know they don't belong, which is why they react in such histrionic and sociopathic ways when they're questioned even slightly about their presence. That's the real problem I have with them (other than the whole mindraping former friends into sex-obsessed freaks): they're lying, to get into places they shouldn't be.

 

[caffeinated Chihuahua]

There's also the societal value; I'm someone who believes women should have equal rights but they definitely don't have equal value.

That's not to shit on women either. The two sides form one. As you said, they do the same shit with mtf but as a man I can't really say what a woman thinks a woman is... shame that the troons can't have the same attitude

I sure hope you mean different strengths instead of not equal value cause saying women are less valuable is definitely shitting on women no matter how you rationalize it.

 

[FinnSven]

There's also the societal value; I'm someone who believes women should have equal rights but they definitely don't have equal value.

Men are the ones who maintain infrastructure and defend nations. We do the worst possible jobs and die early because of it. At any point for any reason we will be the first people called upon in to service in times of emergency.

Being a man is more than just having a penis. As you partially touched on, we have a specific mentality. It's more than just existing. Throughout history, regardless of how woke or equal things are, it's normally men who sort ourselves naturally in to a hierarchy during times of need and organise the response. Women spend far too much time discussing what to do instead of just doing it.

That's not to shit on women either. The two sides form one. As you said, they do the same shit with mtf but as a man I can't really say what a woman thinks a woman is... shame that the troons can't have the same attitude

You forgot to mention the glaring fact that women birth and are vital to the creation of the next generation.

In this regard men are of lower value as a society could carry on with far less men than women.

This is the other reason men traditionally do the dangerous jobs, and perhaps why they adapted to be larger and stronger on average than the women.

Men being in control of everything historically has obviously come about due to civilization factors, the world becoming far less dangerous for humans, men able to use their physical advantages to force control from women, and women being forced into sit at home and breed situations, but this certainly doesn’t make men more valuable.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

their crusade to have the entire world bend to THEIR desires

 

[Londo]

I sure hope you mean different strengths instead of not equal value cause saying women are less valuable is definitely shitting on women no matter how you rationalize it.

Its not shitting on women; I should have prefaced my ending instead of having it as the end. The end point of not being able to speak on what makes a woman a woman was supposed to indicate that as a man I don't want to be like a tranny and tell someone what my male mind thinks a woman is; women will have a different view, I think.

Women have strengths that men do not and vice versa - value is moreso directed towards how society EXTRACTS more value from men; I don't have a moral stance on if this is a good thing or not - its just the way things are.

Society inequally extracts value from men due to physical strength. We normally shield women from such things due to the inherent desire for males to defend their mates (using mates in the biological sense not the cringe incel way).

Men are treated differently from birth as are women compared to their opposite sex.

Troons think men are somehow super empowered and have free reign which is bullshit. As a man I have no more power beyond physical strength to those in the same economic class.

I'm not making an overall moral argument, sorry. I should have been clearer. My person stance is that I don't really care about the current system; it is what it is based on the way we think things will operate the best. I'm fairly neutral. Overall its yin yang; nothing can function without the two. Men hunt and women gather. Men take land and women defend it.

I hope this cleared it up.