Opinion What Pete Hegseth Doesn’t Understand About Soldiers - Lethality alone doesn’t win wars.

By Mike Nelson
July 8, 2025, 7:30 AM ET

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In the summer of 2014, I was leading a company of Green Berets—from the 5th Special Forces Group—in Afghanistan’s Kunduz province. President Barack Obama had recently promised an end of combat operations in the country, and the Taliban understood the tactical implications of his statement, believing that the drawdown of coalition forces meant they could now operate with impunity. They further believed that during the holy month of Ramadan, our Afghan partners, too tired from fasting during the day, would not conduct large-scale operations against them. My company, along with commandos from Afghanistan’s 5th Special Operations Kandak, decided to surprise them.

Over the course of a week, we would assault Taliban strongholds, striking enemy forces when and where they believed they were most secure.

During one of these operations, in Dasht-e-Archi district, a combined American and Afghan team had just stepped off the helicopters when Taliban machine-gun crews opened fire. Our soldiers responded without hesitation, killing several enemy fighters and capturing a Taliban machine gunner. At that moment, the team leader radioed me. He was suddenly confronting a scenario that every Green Beret officer prepares for during the Special Forces Qualification Course: His foreign counterpart was about to commit a war crime.

The machine gunner was severely wounded and, in the dark colloquialism of our profession, circling the drain. An Afghan lieutenant argued that the fighter didn’t deserve mercy; his commandos should finish him off. The impulse was understandable in the lieutenant’s heightened post-combat state; the proposal was also illegal and morally reprehensible.

The team leader helped talk the Afghan lieutenant down. The Talib would not be executed. Our medics worked to stabilize the man who had just tried to mow them down with a PKM machine gun. This decision was less about what the fighter deserved and more about the kind of soldiers that my men were, and that we wanted our Afghan partners to be.

That night’s events tell two stories. The first is that my team needed to destroy the enemy, using quick and lethal violence. This imperative is the core rationale for any army’s existence. But my team members also needed to act as professional soldiers: to set aside their emotional impulses, even in moments of fear, and uphold the law and the moral standards of the United States Army. Anger, resentment, and the desire for retribution can never be fully suppressed. Just as saints feel tempted to sin, even the most moral people can find themselves pushed to the limits by the compounding stresses of combat.

I spent 23 years as a paratrooper and Green Beret, most of them during the War on Terror, and I faced many frustrating moments. During the first year of the Iraq War, civilians regularly stopped Americans on the street and hectored us: “You guys are the authority now. When is my electricity coming back? Where can I go to get ice?”

After enough confrontations, even the most idealistic among us started to think, Screw these people. But in our disciplined fighting force, somebody would pipe up: “That Iraqi’s upset because he has no power, and he’s just trying to feed his family.” The malignant impulse to start hating all Iraqis or Afghans was checked before it was allowed to metastasize. Through shared expectations, we held one another accountable. Sometimes, service members would provide calm, steady counsel to someone at risk of lashing out. In other cases, when American soldiers violated our norms and committed crimes, their colleagues would seek justice, as was the case when three Iraqi detainees were killed in 2006 by soldiers from 3rd Brigade, 101st Airborne Division— a unit that had recently included a young lieutenant named Pete Hegseth.

The question of how the U.S. military should conduct itself is under new scrutiny, as Hegseth, now the secretary of defense, has declared that his priorities for the Pentagon will be lethality and returning the military “to the war fighters.” As he said at the Army War College in April, “Everything starts and ends with warriors in training and on the battlefield. We are leaving wokeness and weakness behind.”

Hegseth, who served in Iraq as an infantry platoon leader and in Afghanistan as a staff officer, was not involved in the Iraqi detainees’ deaths, but he knew men whose lives were upended by the investigation. Today, he is tapping into the notion that President Joe Biden and some of his predecessors tied up the American military with overly restrictive rules of engagement, and that the country’s long and disappointing post-9/11 wars might have turned out better had service members been given freer rein. Anything that falls outside Hegseth’s vision of lethality is painted as a woke distraction, and anyone suggesting restraint is a hindrance or a remnant of the previous regime.

Parts of this agenda seem like common sense. Why wouldn’t a department charged with fighting America’s wars encourage a warrior spirit by empowering the people who risk their life in combat? Clearly it should. Still, Hegseth risks creating a false dichotomy—that one must choose between lethality and professionalism. This view comes at a cost to operational effectiveness as well as moral clarity.

Hegseth is positioning himself as the tribune of the common soldier, whom he will protect from ladder-climbing careerists. As a Fox News commentator, Hegseth campaigned on behalf of three American service members accused or convicted of war crimes. Eddie Gallagher had been accused by his fellow SEALs of killing a wounded teenage prisoner; acquitted of murder, he was convicted of posing for photos with the prisoner’s body and demoted. (He later seemed to admit on a podcast to a role in killing the detainee.) Mathew Golsteyn, a former Green Beret officer, was charged with murder for allegedly executing a released Afghan detainee. The paratrooper officer Clint Lorance was convicted of ordering his soldiers to kill Afghan civilians. Golsteyn and Lorance both maintained that they had acted legally.

These suspects were turned in not by woke Pentagon officials but by other “war fighters.” Nevertheless, during Donald Trump’s first term as president, he pardoned Golsteyn and Lorance and reversed Gallagher’s demotion. In effect, Trump and Hegseth have taken an extreme position: that the way to support American troops is to avoid second-guessing anything they do.

The suspicion that senior officers care more about appeasing their superiors than easing the average soldier’s predicament is hardly new. Anton Myrer’s 1968 novel, Once an Eagle, contrasted the Army career of the obsequious Courtney Massengale with that of the muddy-booted warrior Sam Damon. In The Centurions, Jean Lartéguy’s classic 1960 novel about the French campaigns in Indochina and Algeria, one character wishes there could be two distinct armies—one for display in polite society and one engaged in the dirty business of winning battles. These books prefigure the view held by some Iraq and Afghanistan veterans that lawyers, politicians, and the cowardly generals who kowtowed to them prevented American victories.

Hegseth’s perspective reflects what he learned as a platoon leader—when his duty was to maximize his subordinates’ effectiveness at inflicting violence when needed. It also bespeaks his lack of experience at higher levels of military or civilian leadership. The complexities of procuring new weapons systems, making trade-offs among competing priorities, and maintaining relationships with foreign governments were all someone else’s job, as was, of course, providing strategic military advice to the president.

Just as a Fortune 500 company does not hire its CEO directly out of college, the Pentagon does not assign a new lieutenant to command a division. In most cases, the military gives emerging leaders just enough responsibility to help them grow, while senior commanders temper their rougher instincts.

On the morning of June 6, the 81st anniversary of D-Day, Hegseth boasted on X that he was doing physical training on Omaha Beach with soldiers from the 75th Ranger Regiment. It was only the latest in a series of updates about his workouts with elite units. The posts might be good for morale, but he appears far more eager to present himself as a jacked-up model warrior than to do the less glamorous work of running the Pentagon.

Every branch of the military faces multidimensional problems. Accelerating the construction of Navy vessels—to choose just one of many pressing examples—means dealing with budget and personnel constraints, nuclear-safety laws, and the limited capacity of the American shipbuilding industry. Solving these big, difficult, and often boring strategic challenges is what the troops most need a defense secretary to do.

When I was a junior officer, I bristled at commanders who I felt didn’t understand the realities I was dealing with. Sometimes, my frustration was the product of youthful arrogance divorced from larger realities— a problem remedied by time and experience. In some cases, though, the frustration was legitimate. I watched as decisions at the highest levels wasted initiative, resources, and, in many cases, lives.

I also understand why many soldiers feel hemmed in by Pentagon bureaucracy in more prosaic ways. Anyone who has spent time at Fort Bragg, as I did at the start of my career, knows the elaborate lengths the Army has taken to avoid disturbing the red-cockaded woodpecker. Military personnel are subject to annual training requirements—on avoiding phishing scams, handling classified information—that feel oppressive in the aggregate. When Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell ended in 2011, the exhaustive training sessions in preparation for the policy change were far more disruptive to our work than the change itself was.

But for all the complaints about weakness and wokeness, America’s military remains at its most effective when inspired to maintain both its professionalism and its warrior culture. In 2005, General Erik Kurilla, currently the head of U.S. Central Command, found himself in a close-up fight in the alleys of Mosul—a fight that ended with Kurilla shot multiple times and his sergeant major beating an insurgent in hand-to-hand combat. Kurilla embodied a warrior ethos. But he was also the officer who, after a British aid worker was killed in a failed attempt to rescue her from the Taliban in 2010, insisted on holding SEAL Team 6 members accountable for deceiving higher-ups about the circumstances of her death.

Meanwhile, America’s disciplined armed forces outperform those that have supposedly embraced an unbound warrior mentality. In 2021, Senator Ted Cruz and others bemoaned that U.S. Army recruiting commercials were not sufficiently masculine compared with those for the Russian Airborne Forces, only to see the same Russian forces largely wiped out at Hostomel, in Ukraine, nine months later. Perhaps Cruz could have learned from the 2018 rout of hardened Russian veterans who tried to challenge the U.S. military in Khasham, Syria.

Military historians can point to many examples of cultures—Sparta, the Confederacy, early-20th-century Germany—that counted on their martial spirit to bring them victory, but instead lost to armies that had both a warrior ethos and important strategic advantages. Many soldiers in a losing fight will blame external factors: After World War I, disgruntled Germans refused to acknowledge that their country’s war aims had been dishonorable and unrealistic and that their armaments makers had been too slow to innovate. Instead, they insisted that their army had been stabbed in the back. This mindset leads in dangerous directions, as Germany showed two decades later.

Although most wars have been fought for conquest or plunder, Americans tend to be more comfortable with the use of force when it is seen as virtuous, an extension of the values that we feel make us exceptional. This moral dimension is also a concrete strategic asset. When American forces are perceived as acting immorally, they directly undermine national objectives. Domestic and international support erode, fueling enemy propaganda and complicating cooperation with allies and local populations.

Sometimes, broader strategic goals force high-level commanders to limit what soldiers do. In Afghanistan in 2011, many disliked the constraints our superiors imposed on nighttime raids at the demand of Hamid Karzai, the country’s American-backed president. Yet those constraints reflected the basic premises of the war: Americans were liberators, not occupiers. We had troops in the country at the request of the local government, which meant that, at times, we had to modify our tactics and procedures in deference to the local government.

Leadership at the Defense Department should not overcorrect for past mistakes. Failure to recognize the brutal truths of combat and to embrace a warrior ethos risks losing future wars. But a cultlike devotion to achieving that ethos without connection to larger values risks losing our way.

This article appears in the August 2025 print edition with the headline “The Warrior Myth.”

Mike Nelson is a retired Army Special Forces officer.

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As soon as I see an article is from The Atlantic I simply stop reading.

Oh, yes, General Kurilla...assaulted a USAF aircrew member because his communications weren't happening fast enough to suit him.


So what's General Kurilla doing now? Fixing to retire.


The OP said our recruiting ads in 2021 were plenty masculine enough. Maybe. They barely made their goal for FY2021.

Now we are in FY2025, new President, new SECDEF, and the recruiting goals for the entire fiscal year have been reached four months early.


Am not a combat arms officer, Got enough guys here with combat arms experience who are addressing those parts of the OP.

President Trump and the SECDEF are working to get rid of the most 'political' flag officers. These officers have been a cancer on the service since I was a second lieutenant over forty years ago. The President and the SECDEF are working to get us the 'warfighter' flag officers we desperately need.
 
Ever think this might be why the US hasn't won a war since WWII? This is a far cry from just executing POWs back at camp for funsies.
The United States has won conflicts since World War 2, the Gulf War primarily comes to mind although there are some smaller ones like the invasion of Panama.

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It probably helped that the objectives and goals of American forces were more limited in nature and tangible. The military should've studied that conflict more instead of trying to outdo Vietnam's record as a meandering forever war in Afghanistan and Iraq. The greatest soldiers in the world can't win anything if the strategy coming from the top is awful.
 
“Everything starts and ends with warriors in training and on the battlefield. We are leaving wokeness and weakness behind.”
Hey faggot journalist, the true sense of total victory is utterly annihilating your enemies, purging their memory, and then inhabiting their lands with your own people.


You weren't fighting a WAR. GWOT wasn't a war. You were just a cop for the new world order.
 
Hegseth is positioning himself as the tribune of the common soldier, whom he will protect from ladder-climbing careerists.

Which is oddly ironic considering that this article was written by a man who is a great example of a ladder-climbing careerist military officer. After his retirement from the military, he was employed by a long list of NGO type institutions which are specific ally political such as the Kagan's institute for the study of war and the Global Energy Security institute as well as being a counter-terrorism "expert" for Atlantic Magazine when his career involvement in counter-terrorism was rather minimal.

About all he tries to do in the article is big dog Hegseth over him being a platoon commander while Nelson was a company commander. And of course he wants to drag up issue of the three US military people pardoned by Trump years ago.

Trying to suggest that Hegseth is trying to turn the US military into something out of Sparta, Imperial German or even the US Civil War confederacy is honestly just a stupid argument. A guy like Nelson just don't care about the men doing the fighting. If more of them have to die for the sake of an idiotic policy by a corrupt Afghan government, he would have no problem with them dying. The Afghani position seemed to be that night attacks on the taliban were unfair because they were successful. And if that is the priority of the allied government Americans are dying to fight for, maybe that is a red flag moment for everyone.
 
Article is fluff. The one criticism is "equivalent of hiring someone fresh out of college to Fortune 500 CEO." First of all he's 45 years old; I don't actually want government purely by AARP people. Second, everyone knows the generals are part of a good ol boy network called the military-industrial complex. Why would you put those corrupt system insiders in charge of reforming it?
Why? Because Trump isn't supposed to fix things. He supposed to do what the GOP has done when it ever it has power, sit back and act like it just can get anything done. "We just couldn't get literally anything done, but next term, after we get reelected. We'll need your support of course." Trump isn't supposed to hire and appoint people to any position of power. The system isn't supposed to change. The system serves itself for these types, not the American people.
 
The machine gunner was severely wounded and, in the dark colloquialism of our profession, circling the drain. An Afghan lieutenant argued that the fighter didn’t deserve mercy; his commandos should finish him off. The impulse was understandable in the lieutenant’s heightened post-combat state; the proposal was also illegal and morally reprehensible.

The team leader helped talk the Afghan lieutenant down. The Talib would not be executed. Our medics worked to stabilize the man who had just tried to mow them down with a PKM machine gun. This decision was less about what the fighter deserved and more about the kind of soldiers that my men were, and that we wanted our Afghan partners to be.
The Taliban literally own Afghanistan right how

What they should have done is stabilized him and then employed medical professionals to keep him alive while he was flayed limb by limb and rolled in salt with an agreement that if he denounced Allah on video his suffering would end with a quick death. Then irradiated the food and water supplies supplies of Taliban controlled areas and trading clean food and water for obedience and mining oil for free

A pax Romana for the modern day, eventually after enough slow deaths from radiation sickness and captured fighters being flayed alive with their families live broadcasted over a week or so each before they gave in and denied Allah condemning themselves to hell in their belief system it would become incredibly clear who the true gods were and that obedience was the smart option

If not and if people are really needed to inhabit a region just genocide the lot of them and replace them with loyal colonists to mine the oil or whatever
The old ways are best
 
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The reason we lose is because we approach war as a game with rules, lines that can't be overstepped and some nebulous win condition that will result in our enemies surrendering. But our enemies know there are no rules, will use any means necessary to defeat us and even if all that fails they won't give up until they are dead.

You can either win wars or win hearts. You can't do both.
Biggest problem is the approach to war as a game with rules only really works with other modern nation states - doesn't really work with tribalist warlord cliques and movements, certainly not ones devoted to the Cult of Muhammad, which is what we've been fighting for the past two decades. The only way to effectively approach that is to adopt how the British colonial troops dealt with them - to recognize they only respect power, and to fully leverage your resources to both physically and culturally crush and humiliate them to the point that they respect or at the very least fear you.
 
I'd like to know how this happened. Were the Taliban just underleveled or something? Are American GIs so well-trained they can dodge bullets?
Most Taliban were poorly trained and did ambushes and retreated the moment things didn't look to be going their way.

I totally believe a Taliban squad was overmatched by some American Army SF and Afghan commandos.
 
apparently Saddam has WMDs so he needs to die.
Gulf War Syndrome was in part to U.S. forces blowing up unmarked ammunition bunkers which had chemical artillery shells stowed in them after Desert Storm. In addition to all of the other shit Americans were breathing in.
According to was found during the Clinton Administration by IAEA weapons inspectors were finding WMD related shit Saddam wasn't supposed to have.
In spite of Saddam fucking with them since Dubya Senior was POTUS. As Saddam ain't supposed to have anything in relation to WMDs, as in not a single damn component* to build the machinery to make WMDs.
Coupled with Saddam fucking with U.S. and Coalition airpower enforcing the Iraqi no fly zones ever since Dubya Senior had them enacted.
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*As part of tve ceasefire agreement, Saddam wasn't supposed to have any parts whatsoever. Which kept being found throughout Clinton's and Dubya Jr's administrations.
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It's what Dubya Junior and his administration had done after removing Saddam and his sons is where they earned the derision and hate.
 
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The United States has won conflicts since World War 2, the Gulf War primarily comes to mind although there are some smaller ones like the invasion of Panama.

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It probably helped that the objectives and goals of American forces were more limited in nature and tangible. The military should've studied that conflict more instead of trying to outdo Vietnam's record as a meandering forever war in Afghanistan and Iraq. The greatest soldiers in the world can't win anything if the strategy coming from the top is awful.
That was the whole problem with Vietnam, any time we actually fought with the NVA and the Viet Cong, the US pushed their shit in. But we weren't there to crush North Vietnam. Hell, the ARVN did alright until Congress stiffed them on material support. I imagine being able to see the obvious moves to win but not be allowed to follow through is demoralizing as all hell.
 
During one of these operations, in Dasht-e-Archi district, a combined American and Afghan team had just stepped off the helicopters when Taliban machine-gun crews opened fire. Our soldiers responded without hesitation, killing several enemy fighters and capturing a Taliban machine gunner. At that moment, the team leader radioed me. He was suddenly confronting a scenario that every Green Beret officer prepares for during the Special Forces Qualification Course: His foreign counterpart was about to commit a war crime.
lets see what he tried to do...

n Afghan lieutenant argued that the fighter didn’t deserve mercy; his commandos should finish him off. The impulse was understandable in the lieutenant’s heightened post-combat state; the proposal was also illegal and morally reprehensible.
Were they in uniform or clearly marked? if not this isnt a Warcrime.
Its also morally fine to execute unmarked combatants, they broke the rules in the worst way, trying to hide between civilians...
 
With military leaders like this, no wonder we lost. And we will continue to lose.

War cannot be effectively waged and still look good for lawyers, politicians and journalists.
Certainly not with the kind of opponents we've been facing for the past 20 years - tribalist barbarians will not accept or recognize the conventions of civilized war, so to effectively fight them means adapting to methods that will definitely not look good for any of the above three.

It's the same thing right now with the Houthis and their bullshit in the Red Sea. I've argued in other threads that we're wasting time targeting whatever impromptu anti-ship missile launcher sites they set up and then scurry away from, when what we should really be doing is targeting the Houthi leadership and their families, and making it very clear that if they continue to cause trouble anyone in charge and those closest to them will continue to be sent to Hell to suck Muhammad's dick.
 
Certainly not with the kind of opponents we've been facing for the past 20 years - tribalist barbarians will not accept or recognize the conventions of civilized war, so to effectively fight them means adapting to methods that will definitely not look good for any of the above three.

It's the same thing right now with the Houthis and their bullshit in the Red Sea. I've argued in other threads that we're wasting time targeting whatever impromptu anti-ship missile launcher sites they set up and then scurry away from, when what we should really be doing is targeting the Houthi leadership and their families, and making it very clear that if they continue to cause trouble anyone in charge and those closest to them will continue to be sent to Hell to suck Muhammad's dick.
My opinion on all of the “rules of war” (other than the only real one: don’t lose), is that they’re pure victor’s justice, and will be discarded unceremoniously as soon as it’s clear nobody has the will and might to enforce them.

Now, soldiers typically don’t enjoy being gassed and the fastest way to make that happen is to gas the other guy, so I don’t think we’ll see any of the great powers breaking out the VX any time soon, but if one of them starts losing? All bets are off if it escalates to total war.
 
The idea that the fighting force that kept winning battles but lost the war wasn't held back by the lawyers, the politicians and the generals is slap to the face of every single US servicemen that served in those countries.
This is what makes me sick to think about Vietnam. The Viet Cong was all but destroyed military, yet faggot commie subversives at home could not let their guys lose, so now those drafted teens died for nothing (only real mistake of the war) and then the VC brought forth the Khmer Rouge to kill even more than muh war crimes, and it was the dominoes for much avoidable bullshit afterward. Boat people coming here to vote against those liberals is a little respite though.
Maybe we lost because we were fighting for Poppy fields and for Afghan generals to have boy prostitutes.
Taliban victory only resulted in the inbreds swapping boy slaves for girl slaves, redditoid.
The United States has won conflicts since World War 2, the Gulf War primarily comes to mind although there are some smaller ones like the invasion of Panama.
Grenada does not get enough credit. A quick, clean and simple operation that saved us from dealing with another Cuba.
 
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