What projects are worth setting up for the future of the internet.

[P R O X Y]

I listen to far too much of Null's rants about how shit the Internet has become and wasn't sure what a technical person could actually contribute. Do we need archives? Do we need people contributing to code? It's not hard at all for me to setup a mostly take down resistant website. I don't know what is actually worth making that contributes to countering the dumpster that is the current state of the web. Ideas?

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

some tool or search algorithm that filters out AI content and pajeets.

 

[Dawdler]

Ban everyone outside of europe and america from this technology.

 

[AidsNiggerSupreme]

Not an expert on the web or anything, but it seems like any real improvements would have to be from rebuilding the basic building blocks that everyone uses to make websites, like replacing all the Oracle packages that have surveillance shit in them and generally making less bloated frameworks to build sites with.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I said it before but you can't "fix" the internet as the problem with the internet is not technical. There's a million technical ways to make the web less shit and they all already exist and are tried and true. It doesn't matter as long as the users and the people pumping the content into it are.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

The most simple one is hosting your own stuff I think by going back to the internet's roots - today most stuff's highly centralised an it get's lost in the noise, if you host your own stuff you can display it an organise as you wish, collaboration still existed back then and it can still exist today but we can an do have private systems for that and it stops you relying on big services one day suddenly changing how they work an suddenly your scrabbling to find a solution or have to pay for a service that was free or the politics could change and everything suddenly gets policed and you find yourself on the wrong side of the moderation equation.

The next one is using open-source software whenever or where ever you can, it's not always possible but when an where you can use it.

Share stuff - the one thing that really demarks the old internet from the new internet is the sharing culture that existed and that was around 08 when mobile internet (web 2.0) became a thing, suddenly lots of stuff that was free people started demanding money for or finding ways to extricate revenue from it. I have OLD like pree 2000 era PDF's that where written an just tossed up on a BBS or a early forum an shared around that are 100 - 200+ page works with detailed photographs an drawings that are insanely useful that beat the pants of expensive commercial works (ad still do) the most you got when it came to monetization was a paypal email address at the beginning or end asking for donations an on some of the really old ones a PO Box address to send a money order too or even letters and even then that wasn't expected people just put it together because they wanted to and shared it with the world. Make your stuff easy to share an save and it will and ask for donations if you want just don't make it obnoxious and people will honestly throw you money if you make something of genuine worth.

The next one have your own KB or "Common Place Book" on my home network I have a server with massive storage drives that I have my personal notes, HD scans of books photographs videos etc on to make my data more accessible to me when I need it without having to use the internet, and anything really super critical I have offline copy's on multiple hard disks (an a few DAT tapes) and I have a fuck load of hard copys of everything really super critical to me in my personal library.
All my data is stored in well known an used formats that can be accessed by multiple tools on multiple computers and it's redundant when it comes to storage, my Wife uses a similar system for her own personal an professional data.

With what I do I understand it's not possible for everyone to even come close but you can an should have data you don't need the internet or even a computer to access and the most direct an primary form of that is what's in your head, never bank on being able to access anything outside of your own head for fundamental knowledge we are so used to just googling an answer we have forgotten how to work without constant instant access to information especially younger people it comes across as alien to them to be able to recall specific data without having to resort to using the internet.

Hone your own super computer and use everything else as a convenient redundancy.

 

[TATE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE!!]

Destroy high speed internet. Revert back to 56k and AOL.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

The next one have your own KB or "Common Place Book" on my home network I have a server with massive storage drives that I have my personal notes, HD scans of books photographs videos etc on to make my data more accessible to me when I need it without having to use the internet, and anything really super critical I have offline copy's on multiple hard disks (an a few DAT tapes) and I have a fuck load of hard copys of everything really super critical to me in my personal library.

Beyond the backup aspect, taking notes, organizing your bookmarks of old news articles, etc. will help you refer back to old information. It is easy to forget this stuff, especially as you get older.

Offline backups of videos are important, but there's too much of it for any one person to handle, so just grab what is important to you.

The future of the internets will involve decentralized networks. Many have been tried, many have failed.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

The internet is the problem. How do you fix a problem when the problem is the actual problem?

 

[Peristaltic Pump]

A ham radio set, just to be safe

 

[KuntyFukLugs]

Wipe out all social media's, definitely tiktok as well. That'll make a massive amount of the population crumble to dust because they don't know life without it.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

I'm still very lazily working on my particular implementation, but I'll eventually make a thread in this subforum about an interesting technology for decentralized, censorship-resistant chat and similar purposes. The WWW is a dead end, but the current crop of technology corporations are too advantaged by their piles of hardware to allow something better onto most of the devices they control. Consider YouTube: BitTorrent works better for distributing video in every way, but the WWW browsers are specifically designed not to support it, which enables YouTube to enjoy its popularity.

 

[seri0us]

Share stuff - the one thing that really demarks the old internet from the new internet is the sharing culture that existed and that was around 08 when mobile internet (web 2.0) became a thing, suddenly lots of stuff that was free people started demanding money for or finding ways to extricate revenue from it. I have OLD like pree 2000 era PDF's that where written an just tossed up on a BBS or a early forum an shared around that are 100 - 200+ page works with detailed photographs an drawings that are insanely useful that beat the pants of expensive commercial works (ad still do) the most you got when it came to monetization was a paypal email address at the beginning or end asking for donations an on some of the really old ones a PO Box address to send a money order too or even letters and even then that wasn't expected people just put it together because they wanted to and shared it with the world. Make your stuff easy to share an save and it will and ask for donations if you want just don't make it obnoxious and people will honestly throw you money if you make something of genuine worth.

Can I have a copy of this PDF too

 

[Nero Fiddled]

Gender Authentication Check.

 

[We Are The Witches]

I think ethical, in good standing, and properly managed archiving sites are never an extra, they're always welcome as long as they're good. They need to not pull shady stuff, like manipulating the archived information, that would be catastrophic.

But the reason why they're never an extra, is because I saw the embarrassing choice of Wayback Machine to blacklist Kiwifarms, which goes against the spirit of archiving. The content wasn't illegal, so that should give you enough hints about their decision-making. If they pull this stuff, what next? And which one? You can't even trust those sites to hold the information.

Another good thing could be like a bot network dedicated to find & flag other obnoxious bots, like on YouTube. That platform does not care about reports unless "big numbers", or "big person" tells them to, so maybe an anti-bot bot-network can hunt them down.

 

[P R O X Y]

I don't think an archive site would be a massive list. There may be value in having one that is able to make mirrors and then the content is mirrored on the tor network maybe. Most people using tor want to disable javascript so I'm not sure what risk that would bring to the actual users.

The internet is the problem. How do you fix a problem when the problem is the actual problem?

I think the idea of building on decentralized networks is promising. Most networks like Tor and I2P are just overlays so there could still be ways to attack/disrupt them through the existing internet infrastructure. It would be interesting to try and grow lolcow content on other networks but I understand why Null doesn't want to do that because normal people dont want to have to use Tor or whatever else to catch up on their latest lolcows.

 

[Squishie PP]

I think the idea of building on decentralized networks is promising. Most networks like Tor and I2P are just overlays so there could still be ways to attack/disrupt them through the existing internet infrastructure. It would be interesting to try and grow lolcow content on other networks but I understand why Null doesn't want to do that because normal people dont want to have to use Tor or whatever else to catch up on their latest lolcows.

The official I2P client is written in Java (Oracle glow-ware,) but there is also a C++ implementation that could use some usability improvements. I am unsure of which implementation the majority of nodes are using, but popularizing the C++ implementation could help mitigate the impact of potential Oracle backdoors in Java.

Aside from that, the best thing about I2P is that hosting a hidden service on it is legitimately easier than hosting a website on the clearnet. No need to buy a domain, no need to get DDOS protection (built into the network,) no need to even port-forward your router. I believe it has a lot more potential than Tor because of this.

It also lets you torrent anonymously so you can share files without requiring a VPN, and even has a minimal torrent client (i2psnark) bundled with the i2p suite. I remember reading that something like 20-40% of I2P traffic was people torrenting.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

I don't think an archive site would be a massive list. There may be value in having one that is able to make mirrors and then the content is mirrored on the tor network maybe. Most people using tor want to disable javascript so I'm not sure what risk that would bring to the actual users.

I like this idea - an initial setup that installs the base an selected open archives followed by constant updates via a torrent or something allowing for data to be mostly consistent across the network / archive as a whole you'd have to be careful to make sure it doesnt overwrite old files unless explicitly told to do so so data isn't compromised and some form of user defined trust settings so you can trust "Bob's big fat archive of interesting Wombat facts maintained by Bob" and not "Bob's big fat archive of interesting Wombat facts - maintained by Sue" that has some form of live score of trust i.e. 60% of users trust Bob's archive vs Sue at 12% but all of sues are default trust from installation etc.

 

[Fagnacious D]

Search engines has been pozzed pretty hard. Finding anything out of the mainstream is getting more and more difficult. What we need is something like an old timey web directory.