What restrictions should there be on voting

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Being a legal citizen of the country means you have a stake in the process as far as I'm concerned. People have tried convincing me that only landowners/veterans/what the fuck ever protected class should have sole voting rights but that always struck me as bullshit. If you pay taxes--and you do if you're a citizen and not a criminal--you have the right to help decide what the government can and can't do to you. Disenfranchising felons I'm fine with because they fucked over society. But taking that right away from say, welfare recipients is autistic as fuck.

Things like "only vote on things you understand" is totalitarian horseshit. Not really any point in voting at all if the government can just decide you haven't watched enough Rick and Morty to tell them what to do.

 

[Diabolical diabetic]

This topic emerged on the Trump derangement syndrome thread:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/trump-derangement-syndrome.25651/page-1783

Decided to make a tread here since the it seems more fitting and so that thread doesn't get too cluttered.

The basic question is "should we limit voting rights for certain people? And if yes who?"

 

[XE 600]

Yes, only straight white rich cis men should have voting rights.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

To vote you used to have to be a landowner.
I can't say I disagree with that.

 

[Red Hood]

Service Guarantees Citizenship.

I'm doing my part!

Honestly that's not a terrible idea. Not necessarily military service, but proving you're competent and willing to put in some time doing something useful for your country.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Only people who will vote the way I do should be allowed to vote

Be honest, any attempt to restrict voting rights is really just trying to keep people who disagree with you from having a say

 

[SofondaCox]

If you are a legally citizen of this country, and you have not forfeit your rights through violent, felonious acts, you get to vote (currently non violent felonies also forfeit your right to vote). Retards shouldn't get to vote, and for the most part I think they don't. Only when they have a loony caregiver does it happen...I absolutely did not take my autistic brother to vote for Trump, that would be wrong.

 

[SofondaCox]

To vote you used to have to be a landowner.
I can't say I disagree with that.

You don't think the poor should have a vote? They arguably have an even bigger interest in the economy, as they're desperately trying to catch up.

 

[Ghostse]

I just think that if you aren't paying taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote on new taxes or how collected taxes are spent.
If you are getting more money from the system than you are putting in, you aren't a citizen you're burden.

 

[IV 445]

I’m just skimming, there’s not a lot of content to the original question.

Basically, should you have skin in the game in order to vote? Or, in other words, you need to be able to be affected by your vote in order to vote.

An example is if somebody in Spain is voting for a minister in Thailand. This does not affect the person in Spain in anyway I can think of.

But, where do we decide? You are basically afffected by your government since they protect you from God forbid China paratrooping over I-95 Red Dawn shit.

So it is in everyone’s interest to participate in politics. The guy in park avenue and the guy on the park bench have similar interests, after all.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

You don't think the poor should have a vote? They arguably have an even bigger interest in the economy, as they're desperately trying to catch up.

Not necessarily that they shouldn’t vote, but maybe their votes should count less? Let’s be honest here, poor people in general aren’t known for making the best decisions.

 

[Ghostse]

Not necessarily that they shouldn’t vote, but maybe their votes should count less? Let’s be honest here, poor people in general aren’t known for making the best decisions.

I definitely get where you're coming from, but you do see how this could be used to disenfranchise political opposition and/or otherwise create an aristocracy, or do you need examples?

 

[SofondaCox]

I just think that if you aren't paying taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote on new taxes or how collected taxes are spent.
If you are getting more money from the system than you are putting in, you aren't a citizen you're burden.

Citizens are a burden. That's what civil servants sign on for. To "help" and "serve". This is very, very rarely what they do, and never before they line their own pockets. Without a transparent government that is forced to account for every dime, the whole thing is a racket.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

I definitely get where you're coming from, but you do see how this could be used to disenfranchise political opposition and/or otherwise create an aristocracy, or do you need examples?

No I get it, but I feel like it’s too easy to manipulate poorer people. That’s been the democratic tactic for years. No easy answer for this.

 

[User names must be unique]

Maybe if you banned all lobbying or buying of influence from politics, you could create a system whereby the more tax you pay the more your vote counts.

 

[Ghostse]

Citizens are a burden. That's what civil servants sign on for. To "help" and "serve". This is very, very rarely what they do, and never before they line their own pockets. Without a transparent government that is forced to account for every dime, the whole thing is a racket.

No you SSI collecting leech, Citizens should not be burdens, they should be able to contribute to their own welfare not sucking up resources from actually productive people.

 

[SofondaCox]

Clearly you've never volunteered in civil service. Man the phone for any local official and get back to me.

 

[Diabolical diabetic]

So it is in everyone’s interest to participate in politics.

It is in their interest to participate, but should they?

I'm the opinion that they should since you are still subject to the state and laws, so you should have a say in it.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I do take the view that there are many, many dumb people who probably shouldn’t vote, but I can’t think of a way you could weed such people out without making the system even more open to exploitation than it currently is.

 

[OB 946]

I think you should have to provide 4 years of civil service. Be it military, law enforcement, EMS, firefighting, etc.