🐱 What the People Organizing “Reopen the Businesses” Protests Are Thinking - Spoiler: they’re alt right nazis

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On Wednesday, cars clogged up the streets around the capitol in Lansing, Michigan, drawing up to an estimated 4,000 people to demand a “reopening” of the economy and a return to normal commercial activity. On Tuesday in Raleigh, North Carolina, one person was arrested from a crowd of more than 100 protesting people for violating public health orders. That same day, protesters gathered in Oklahoma City and in Frankfort, Kentucky, the latter group shouting loud enough to disrupt Gov. Andy Beshear’s press conference. A large number rallied in Ohio on Monday. Thursday saw protests in Texas and New York. And hundreds showed up for a protest in St. Paul, Minnesota.


There are plans for more marches, too. Some are in the works in Idaho, Indiana, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington state, and Oregon. The planning for these events is happening largely on social media and on Facebook in particular, where like-minded people vent their frustrations in groups with names such as “Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine” and “End the Lockdown PA.” In some states, there are three or more such groups dedicated to organizing against the quarantine measures. Some protesters are donning Guy Fawkes masks and waving “don’t tread on me” banners. Many are decked out in MAGA merchandise, while a smaller number carried Confederate flags.

Some of the protests have drawn attention for the reckless behavior displayed by some protesters. The protester who was arrested in Raleigh was charged because she, like everyone around her, had violated public health orders by flaunting social distancing measures. In Lansing, while some protesters were content to blare their horns in gridlocked traffic, others got out on foot and gathered in tight crowds. “We know this rally endangered people,” Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said Wednesday. She added that these kinds of protests “will put more people at risk and could prolong how long we need to be in this posture.”


If you go on some of the Facebook groups organizing these protests, you will find that many of them are breeding grounds for misinformation and right-wing spin. Posts with misleading statistics (comparing the virus to the flu and other diseases, comparing the current number of cases with worst-case scenario estimates) are shared along with genuine conspiracy theories often implying that certain institutions have lied about the virus to gain power. Some posters share praise for the movement from right-wing figures such as Tomi Lahren and Alex Jones. Plenty of aggressive memes target the idiocy of experts, liberals, and, most often, the state’s governor.

This isn’t how some of the organizers of these events intended for it to turn out. Kirk Durbin, the founder of Reopen Pennsylvania, said that he hoped that his group, which focuses on letter writing and other forms of civic engagement other than protest, would remain more civil and nonpartisan. Durbin, who owns a cat café in Hollidaysburg, said that he hoped to stay focused on two issues: the protection of small businesses and the resistance to “massive overreach of government.” But in other related groups working on the same issues, he has seen activity he thought was too political or even offensive. “A lot of the conversations devolve into Trump memes,” he said. He observed that many commentators had targeted Pennsylvania’s secretary of health, a transgender woman, with hateful comments.


The supporters of the protest movement appear to generally fall into two categories: those interested in preserving local businesses and those who complain of an infringement on their personal liberties. Groups geared toward the latter more often veer stridently political, while some of the other groups are trying to take a more collaborative and conciliatory tack. Ron Armstrong, an administrator in the Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine group on Facebook (not the one behind the Lansing rally), said his group had also decided to be careful about its approach after it ballooned, in less than a week, to some 350,000 people. His group, along with Durbin’s, has focused its efforts on reaching out to and working with local politicians to “present the governor with a plan for how we might be able to open up some of our rural communities slowly and safely.”


An emphasis on rural communities is a common one among these protesters. According to a Gallup poll, those living in more rural areas, and Republican men more specifically, are the most likely to indicate they would want to return to regular life immediately. In comments and public posts, organizers and their supporters frequently argue that their communities’ conditions differ from those of cities such as Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, and, most significantly, New York.

For Armstrong and Durbin, the pain of being a small-business owner comes across clearly as a driving force of their organizing. The $349 billion government program meant to supply small businesses with relief during the pandemic ran out of money on Thursday, and many small-business owners have struggled to secure loans to keep them afloat. For many small-business owners, the perishable nature of their products makes this an all-or-nothing deal—some can’t just wait for things to reopen. Armstrong, whose business manufactures displays for trade shows, noted the difficulty faced by suppliers of garden plants, who would lose significant income once their plants die. Durbin, whose group is asking for the state to reopen on May 1, emphasized that it was the anxiety of not knowing when life would return to normal that rallied many of his group’s members. “They’re not saying anything,” he said of his state’s leaders. “There’s no plan.”


Ashley Smith co-founded Reopen NC, the group in North Carolina behind the Tuesday protest. She cited financial ruin for small businesses, and possible deaths from poverty and suicide. “Why do those lives matter any less?” she asked. But she also insisted that the governor had abused the public’s constitutional rights. She argued that the governor should be listening to people who she believed could more accurately represent the full spread of the residents’ interests. “We’re not guaranteed in a constitution a pathogen-free or virus-free existence,” she said. “To live is to take risks. Everyone has to make a decision about how to live.”

She, like some group organizers, also argued that there was no scientific basis for the governor’s decisions. “Medical personnel aren’t elected officials,” she said, adding that “our movement is trying to demand that our elected officials are making decisions based on actual numbers and not models and projections.”


Critics concerned about these protests have argued that numbers are only lower than previously projected because extreme measures were taken in the first place. They worry that a rural county with few cases could quickly become a hot spot with the right combination of bad luck and irresponsible behavior. Experts have also long warned that without careful and deliberate action, suburban and rural communities might lag behind urban centers and experience their own waves of infection, often in areas with scant medical resources. Many of the most rapidly developing outbreaks in recent days have been in the South and Midwest.

Even with these brewing protest movements, most Americans appear to prefer caution. A Gallup poll found that some 80 percent of Americans wanted to wait to see what happens with the virus before resuming normal life. The poll also found that employment and household income had little to do with the responses, even as more than 22 million Americans have lost their jobs since the pandemic started.

But under pressure from the president, many governors have moved toward opening businesses in the start of May. Michigan’s Gov. Whitmer said she would ease restrictions on May 1, and Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers announced some new exceptions to the state’s mandate on Thursday. Similar announcements were made in Florida, Idaho, and other states. On Friday, Trump made it clear that he saw these protesters as his allies against Democratic governors. “LIBERATE VIRGINIA,” he said in a string of tweets directed at the states. “LIBERATE MINNESOTA. LIBERATE MICHIGAN.”
 
I think the Sideways Vagina Virus is very dangerous but I also think that causing a massive economic downturn in order to fight said virus is also very dangerous. The solution here is anti-viral medication to treat the Sideways Vagina Virus and anti-bacterial medication to treat various secondary infections and then you open things back up slowly yet surely.

We can't all stay in our caves like cro-magnons or some shit, people have to get back to work and life has to go on.
 
If these were true patriots, they’d run their own illegal businesses like during prohibition. But these are just larpers that are too afraid to get out of their cars because they’re afraid of getting the coof.
And the same larpers will be crying when, after they enjoy some fine dining at the buffet at Golden Corral, they do catch the coof. “Why didn’t daddy government do anything?”
 
I think the Sideways Vagina Virus is very dangerous but I also think that causing a massive economic downturn in order to fight said virus is also very dangerous. The solution here is anti-viral medication to treat the Sideways Vagina Virus and anti-bacterial medication to treat various secondary infections and then you open things back up slowly yet surely.

We can't all stay in our caves like cro-magnons or some shit, people have to get back to work and life has to go on.

We've got it backwards, those at the greatest risk should isolate. Instead, we've forced everyone to isolate... so that the greatest risk can go out in public... and catch it anyway....
 
I waswith you until you started on about Lahren and Jones. Trotting out the usual bogeymen to try to make a point about how everyone who disagrees with the lockdown must be A Righwing Nutjob (TM). 1984 called . They want you to send Emmanuel Goldstein back.
 
It’s obvious at this point that there is a concerted effort to try to cripple the economy in hopes that they can rebuild it as gay communism but it ain’t happening. People don’t want it and it’s not happening. To try to shut down dozens of trillions of dollars of commerce for something with a 1% fatality rate vs wearing gloves and face masks is going to be those moments we’ll look back on and go WTF.

Fuck off, commies, nobody wants your bullshit.

If only I could believe they had a plan like that...

Truth is, they don't

They have NO IDEA what to do (Except do the opposite of Drumpf, he wants it over, so oppose oppose oppose!)

Those not out to just spite Trump? Well, all they can do is think "Well, what's the most compassionate response? Being a leader isn't about making tough choices, it's making popular choices, and what's more popular than showing how much my heart bleeds? Obviously, every life is sacred, so if there's even a chance of another person dying, the rest of you millions will just have to stay inside"

Unaware that by this point, ending it so you won't be forcing people to stay under house arrest as their own jobs and businesses wither is also the most compassionate response....

This is not some nefarious scheme to make everyone accept communism once they've all been made dirt poor, this is the government proving to all and sundry on the touchy-feely more-gibs left what most of us have known for years... the Government can't save you, even when it tries, the modern But muh feels! Government even moreso.

Modern government is a wasteful useless bloated THING that lumbers so slowly, by the time it reaches any crisis it wants to solve, it's over, and all it did was burn up billions in resources to get there.

The solution to problems, even big ones, is not more government, it's let the people be people.

Things were changing before this, now they're REALLY going to change and we're going to see less faith and less desire to turn to the govt. than ever before because people, not in one city or one state, but everywhere, have seen the total FAILURE of mega-prog Globalism to do jack shit, by either draconian or austerity measure, to solve a real problem.

All this is just soon-to-be redundant bureaucrats begging to keep their jobs....



I didn't think they'd get more exceptional then claiming that people wanting to end the lockdown were all dumb boomers who want their buffalo wild wings and beach vacations. Not like theres a bunch of nonesential/laid off workers whose bills are still coming due. Now if you're against destroying the economy and backdoor social engineering through permanently extending/reinstituting quarantine you're a nazi science denier

Dirty little secret the left didn't want to get out: In a modern economy EVERYONE drawing a paycheck is essential. The narrative that the lower working-class and McJob service class doesn't really matter, coming or going, and can just idle themselves with no ill effect to the economy or to themselves, has been proven a lie. All those people they spent years ignoring at the ballot box as humanity's chaff that don't matter? Now not only have you hurt them directly, and then accused them of not valuing human life and only wanting to go out and minigolf, they're going to start coming for you....
 
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