What Weapons Can Be Obtained In The EU? - Note I didn't ask what's legal

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

Or make a slingshot. 100% legal in Germany, the Slingshot Channel is real fun to have a look at.
Guy develops and also sells a ton of fun stuff, esp. now that he has an armorer's license;
I won't detail that here bc I'd like it to pass certifications and reach market without media buzz.

I do love the Slingshot Channel, though this avenue will get closed up once people buy enough of them to scare the gov.

 

[Ferryman]

Because airguns are legal in most of Europe, it's worth mentioning dieseling.

This guy knows what's up. Even if you are in a hyper-restrictive EU country you can still pretty easily get your hands on some very punchy air rifles. AFAIK in most places they end up in the "gray area" of not being "technically" considered firearms, so usually you don't need a license to own one. While not firearms per se, stuff like the Zeus .72 Cal is far and away better than going noguns. Or you could just 3D print real ones if you're feeling extra spicy.

 

[Fae Supremacist]

Consult your local gypsy or Albanian mafioso and you can get any gun for very cheap, they're loading up heavy artillery from Ukraine, it made the Yugoslavian weapon caches look like firecrackers. Plenty of hunting rifles from old men in Balkan villages too, but you'd need ammo.
Knives and air rifles don't need licenses in most countries if you want to stay legal.
This is purely encyclopedic information and in no way encourages or promotes illegal acts.

 

[Free4Ever]

I do love the Slingshot Channel, though this avenue will get closed up once people buy enough of them to scare the gov.

I wouldn't worry too much about scaring the govt., but if you want to reassure them "their way" you can walk in mr. Sprave's footsteps and acquire an armorist's license. Makes bureaucrats feel like they could get you on payroll if they need it, and I suppose that's true in most cases.

This guy knows what's up. Even if you are in a hyper-restrictive EU country you can still pretty easily get your hands on some very punchy air rifles. AFAIK in most places they end up in the "gray area" of not being "technically" considered firearms, so usually you don't need a license to own one.

Grey areas aren't a real issue, they're too easy to stay out of. The point is to signal that you're a) not a friendless, recalcitrant loser and b) that you know how to rebuff a bully. That's what the cops demand more than any technical form of compliance, they want to know that you're not going to be bullied out of your guns and potentially killed by a nigger or a junkie.

While not firearms per se, stuff like the Zeus .72 Cal is far and away better than going noguns. Or you could just 3D print real ones if you're feeling extra spicy.

Yeah I mentioned the Hatsan 135 because it doesn't need a compressor / high-pressure pump.
It's heavy and comically hard to load even at factory pressure:

But it's cheap and probably has the highest FPE you can expect to find. Closest thing to the Metro 2033 airgun! ^^'
Though it's rifled unlike the ball shooter featured in the original ludokino. There are also ways to have that but it's a relative young field (e.g. RAM / self-defense shooters that come with plastic balls by default).

(Yes there are some awesome PCP guns, but I want an option for not lugging around a pump. Also: money.)

 

[Shroom King]

There's a reason why ethnic cleansing in Africa is done with mobs of people with machetes, because machetes are very good at hacking things.

If you are too much of a NEET to acquire a machete for "work-related purposes" (which some countries have exceptions to in their knife laws) then a ball-peen hammer will drop damn near anyone with even a moderately hard head shot.

 

[Hyperbolic Steroids]

Only way to get ammo is either getting it from black market or making it using 9mm based nailguns (that's how JStark got caught)

I heard it was through them correlating his clothes worn during the interview and on different videos through eBay but I don't have a real source on that. Also the Ramset was .22 caliber based and you used the powder and scraped the priming compound into your primers that you deconstructed. It was a neat little trick. I'm sure there's alternatives that aren't as expedient but still get the job done if you wanted to have zero possible correlation.

At bare minimum, an AR trigger group and Glock mags (and ammo)

You can manufacture Glock magazines on the same printer you used to make the rest of the FGC 9 as well as a jig for bending springs. The FCG has an alternative as well with printed hybrid designs and spring jigs. I mean you even cut your own barrel using ECM, I'm not sure what else you could ask for from them. Hell they were freaking out on reddit when they saw them being used in Burma which is confounding because they have access to way more shit.

 

[Free4Ever]

I do love the Slingshot Channel, though this avenue will get closed up once people buy enough of them to scare the gov.

I'm also a fan of classic / medieval weaponry channels. I'm going to be learning how to throw comfortably sized round stones, but furthermore, I think it should be doable to have something akin to a gun club but for historic weapons. It's easy to justify because classic martial arts, which these are but less popular and less Asian, also regularly need "props" that are illegal to carry on the street.
And I think it'll be easier to find people who like the idea than for an Asian martial art or for a gun club. We could join renaissance fairs as a club and host demos or workshops there.

 

[Battlefield42]

I'm also a fan of classic / medieval weaponry channels. I'm going to be learning how to throw comfortably sized round stones, but furthermore, I think it should be doable to have something akin to a gun club but for historic weapons. It's easy to justify because classic martial arts, which these are but less popular and less Asian, also regularly need "props" that are illegal to carry on the street.
And I think it'll be easier to find people who like the idea than for an Asian martial art or for a gun club. We could join renaissance fairs as a club and host demos or workshops there.

Indian clubs can be useful to build strength and dexterity for something like this.

 

[Free4Ever]

Indian clubs can be useful to build strength and dexterity for something like this.

Thanks, I'm already looking for a steel mace / macebell - I read they go up to 30kg.
Making do with a 4kg sledgehammer but I've some concerns about the strength of the handle. Before it I used a ~4.5cm thick hardwoord curtain railing pole.

 

[otherdispair]

to add to Clout $ Monei 's post.
Getting a firearms license will in most EU countries also require a mental health check up, a criminal record/background check and a guns safe to keep your guns in at home.
The specifics of these vary but in general you get to pick your own doctor or shrink to sign a bit of paper telling the police you aren't a lunatic or the sort of guy that's looking to suck a load of buckshot trough his brain.
You have to present the cops with your criminal record (that they keep, just a stupid nuisance tax) and they get a couple of months (and they won't rush it trust me) to figure out you aren't a wanted criminal ect.
The safe is kind of self explanatory but depending on where you live it may have to be bolted into a wall and you'll have to have the cops check in on it. So yay cops coming over for thee. Better have a vacation day left over because they will only come during business hours and they probably won't give an exact hour.

I'd advise anyone that wants to start out by getting a hunting license. You don't have to do any of the above to take a hunting license exam it's self and you can hold a hunting license without getting a gun.
Hunting is a great gateway into the wider gun owning community. Also since hunting tends to be a more upper middle class hobby in (Western) Europe you will get to know everyone some useful people that way. Lawyers you can ask for advise over sip of brandy, a doctor who also hunts and is generally positive towards gun ownership, where to buy your gun safe and who will install it right so you don't have to deal with a repeat visit from the cops ect. Also knowing a doctor never hurt anyone.

Getting a sports liscense will in most countries require you to go shooting x times per year with those guns you've got under that liscense. Try to spread those out, December can be a very bussy month at the range.

The next thing is that you will have to renew your lisence in most countries.
Same deal overall get a mental health check and background check by the cops (agains very much a nuisance tax especialy since if you've done anything that merits them not renewing your liscens they'd have taken your guns already).
Getting your liscense renewed is a bit of a pain in the ass but aslong as you don't try to get it all done right on the dead line it shouldn't be a problem.

Collectors lisences isn't something you can get as a first time owner in most countries and they'll require you to aleady have several firearms before you can get one.

CC permits are very nation specific in how to get them and if you can get one. If you want to get them I'd strongly advise you to speak with a lawyer that knows your countries gun laws well before you try to get one.

Make sure to know what constitutes legal self defense in your country including the case law.

Owning can be a bit of a hassle but it has it's own rewards like americans laughing at you until the heat death of the universe.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Anger issues and a willingness to gouge out an Arabs eyes in the opening seconds of a fight.

 

[Dave The Diver]

The biggest question I'd ask to European users and OP is: "for what purpose do you want to acquire weapons?".

If it's for self defense then in many juriDICKtions you're going to be on the backfoot from the word "go" even if you had something completely legal.
If you had something illegal like a FGC9? Very fucked, even if you were completely justified in using lethal force to protect yourself.

So again - what's the point? Because if you're going to do something legally inadvisable with your weapon then you shouldn't be posting about it in the first place.

 

[Free4Ever]

The biggest question I'd ask to European users and OP is: "for what purpose do you want to acquire weapons?".

If it's for self defense then in many juriDICKtions you're going to be on the backfoot from the word "go" even if you had something completely legal.

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If you had something illegal like a FGC9? Very fucked, even if you were completely justified in using lethal force to protect yourself.

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So again - what's the point? Because if you're going to do something legally inadvisable with your weapon then you shouldn't be posting about it in the first place.

Weird defeatist conclusion, and a non sequitur. You, Sir, are fedposting.

 

[Dave The Diver]

Weird defeatist conclusion, and a non sequitur.

Simple question that you're unable to answer.

Note I didn't ask what's legal

Pretty curious that about a month after this thread was made Null gets an email from UK OFCOM. Yeah, pretty sure the fedboi is OP.

 

[Free4Ever]

Simple question that you're unable to answer.

Pretty curious that about a month after this thread was made Null gets an email from UK OFCOM. Yeah, pretty sure the fedboi is OP.

I don't answer questions.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

Ask any slightly criminal east European, you'd be amazed. Or robbed.

 

[otherdispair]

If you want to get a gun for self/home defense.
Then get the gun you'd want for that under a non self defense license. As long as you also use if for the license you got it under they can't do shit to you as long as you know you make it known that you got it under false pretenses.
Find a good lawyer and pay him the blood price for an hour of his time to walk and talk you trough self-defense and gun laws laws in your jurisdiction.
Words have meanings and words have weight. What you say and how you word it can make a world of difference.
You'll stand a much, much better chance in court if you keep that in mind and word your statements given to the cops in the right way.

the cliff notes are: don't shoot anyone in the back, don't just shoot someone who is unarmed, do not pursue anyone.
Most of the people getting put away for manslaughter/murder while claiming self defense did one of those things.
Shooting robbers as they are making their get away, pursuing them and then shooting them when they turn around and confront you, dropping an unarmed burglar for 10m away ect. all real cases where the home/gun owners got convicted of murder / manslaughter

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

depending on ur price range

black markets exist everywhere

 

[twentyZeroOne]

Go ask the local browns if you don’t have Analbanians.or gypsies for some reason

 

[Oat Milk Matcha Latte]

As a certified Eurocuck I'd highly advice you to join your local gun club/range. You meet nice people and get to practice plenty.
Yes, owning firearms legally comes with heaps of bullshit but hanging out with the racist grandpas at the range makes up for a lot of it.

I will never be not mad about the FGC9 because it is NOT that. It's a glorified glock/ar drop-in kit. It's even worse than an AR drop-in-kit or glock drop-in-kit because it requires parts from both to work. At bare minimum, an AR trigger group and Glock mags (and ammo)

It's literally made for Europoors to niggerrig with shit from Aliexpress. There's spring jigs, printable trigger group parts and tutorials on how to harvest powder from nailgun cartridges. Having said that the legal risk of owning one is, in my opinion, not worth it as airguns, crossbows and black powder rifles are often perfectly fine to own here.