What would it take for Europeans to procreate? - With white 18+ year old women

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Some weeks ago I've been to France and stayed at a hotel near one of the suburbs next to Paris. Walking around there, what amazed me was that there no children anywhere in sight, with the only exception being a (hilariously meme like) white grandma taking her two black grandsons for a walk (guess the daugher had very poor life choices). This forum talked a billion time about white replacement and mass immigration to make Europe non-white, but the truth of the matter is that Europeans seem to be completely averse to the notion of a next generation to continue their lineage/take care of them when they're old.

So give your best ideas how to fix it.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Remove women from the workplace, gender split schools again, remove porn, mandate national service for men. In other words: Fucking magic at this point.

 

[Witthel]

Engineer a deadly plague and release it upon the third world so that globalist economies won't have a surplus of third-worlders to import and they crash and burn.

Either that or simply tax the shit out of childless adults and give out money to ones that have kids.

 

[celebrityskin]

These in every country:

 

[Jarolleon]

Engineer a deadly plague and release it upon the third world so that globalist economies won't have a surplus of third-worlders to import and they crash and burn.

Either that or simply tax the shit out of childless adults and give out money to ones that have kids.

Or stop the third world elite from pumping all their money into the real estate bubble. People are less eager to have kids if they both have to work full time to afford a place to live.

 

[L50LasPak]

Replace them with Arabs I guess.

 

[Ita Mori]

None.
Let them die. They wish for their death and appall their heritage/ascendancy.

Cucked Grandma is only a preview of the next 40 years: Your grandchildren will look nothing like you.

 

[HullDown]

People build families when they can look for a purpose beyond their own enjoyment, but Europeans don't believe in any transcendental value - you are born, you have fun, you "make your own choices", you die. Children are both occasionally very much not fun, they force you into maturity, and they expose you by necessity to how much you are not in control.

Every time they get sick, youre anxious; when they grow independent enough that they can make their own mistakes, you pray they don't suffer serious consequences. They grow, and you get old. They cry at night, you have to figure out what's going on.

From the western perspective, the only reason to have children is to satisfy an inborn need, but there are so many ways to distract yourself from it, and they come with fewer strings attached, that eventually the need for reproduction in westerners goes the way of the panda's. And then you get a handful of people still having a single child, and many more enjoying the DINK lifestyle and showcasing to everyone on the fence that they are having much more fun.

Europeans will die out, and it's out of people's hands.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

To be fair, Paris is one of the most dangerous and least child freindly places in France. What it costs to rent a single room there can get you a grand estate further east or south. It's a great place for a single person in their mid twenties to early fourties, but it's horrible for the very young or old.

The few families who do make their homes around the city tend to be migrants living in shitholes. I wouldn't take that has a feel of the country OP.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I'll give my own solutions which are just as fantastical as some other solutions here:
1. Massively stigmatize childless couples in the media and in social gatherings - Yeah you'll make the life of infertile couples far worse, but at least you'll have a next generation.
2. Cripple social welfare for senior citizens and constantly show examples of 80 year old woman who doesn't have anyone to depend on.

To be fair, Paris is one of the most dangerous and least child freindly places in France. What it costs to rent a single room there can get you a grand estate further east or south. It's a great place for a single person in their mid twenties to early fourties, but it's horrible for the very young or old.

The few families who do make their homes around the city tend to be migrants living in shitholes. I wouldn't take that has a feel of the country OP.

Nah mate that was 40 minutes drive from the center of Paris, tons of small houses there and everything closes at 9.

 

[Kiwisee]

Ban abortion, under the guise of protecting grandma.

It worked so well to bring on COVID authoritarianism so I’m sure people will be okay if abortion just gets banned for the sake of protecting the aging population.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

The 'pay people to have children' and 'make life hell for the childless' were all IIRC tried when the romans had their childless crisis; and they didn't work back then. There is something fundamentally broken with our current society and I don't think you can fix it without destroying society as it is.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Ban abortion, under the guise of protecting grandma.

It worked so well to bring on COVID authoritarianism so I’m sure people will be okay if abortion just gets banned for the sake of protecting the aging population.

Iran just did something similar. We'll see how that plays out for them.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

I'll give my own solutions which are just as fantastical as some other solutions here:
1. Massively stigmatize childless couples in the media and in social gatherings - Yeah you'll make the life of infertile couples far worse, but at least you'll have a next generation.
2. Cripple social welfare for senior citizens and constantly show examples of 80 year old woman who doesn't have anyone to depend on.


Nah mate that was 40 minutes drive from the center of Paris, tons of small houses there and everything closes at 9.

1. There aren't actually that many childless couples, and most European children these days are born out of wedlock as it happens, but there is an abundance across Europe of children without people wanting to adopt them (this includes single people, single adoption is permitted across most of Europe). Age is the biggest factor; you are in several countries expected to adopt very young (we're talking pre-27) or because the child itself is too old to be attractive to that elusive married at 19 couple who want a baby.

Adoption is a very different beast in the US.

2. Europe already has a suicide pandemic amongst the elderly who would rather kill themselves rather than give up everything they've earned for state care, or to be a burden to their younger relatives. The Dutch and Swiss are a curse and do not need to be given further reasons to sell their suicide fetish to the rest of Europe thank you.

40 minutes from the centre of Paris is still ridiculously expensive. You're going to either get slum landlords or the hyper wealthy depending on area. Paris is like other European Capitals; they don't remotley reflect life in the rest of the country.

 

[Medulseur]

I wouldn't take that has a feel of the country OP.

I heard somewhere about this kind of syndrome or psychosis or something. Foreigners will get really hyped on Paris; "It's the city of love! So beautiful, so romantic!" "It looks amazing in the movies!" "I want to see the Eiffel tower!" but when they actually get there it is so disappointing that they basically go insane. Kind of like how some people who go to Jerusalem think they are Jesus.

 

[Ser Prize]

Every time I talk to someone about having kids some day it always breaks down to "Oh well but we can't afford that". That seems to be at least a good part of the issue.

 

[Meat Target]

Nothing. Europeans are raging homosexuals by default.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Penis in vagina rather than penis in the asshole.

 

[THEY STOLE MY FORESKIN]

I heard somewhere about this kind of syndrome or psychosis or something. Foreigners will get really hyped on Paris; "It's the city of love! So beautiful, so romantic!" "It looks amazing in the movies!" "I want to see the Eiffel tower!" but when they actually get there it is so disappointing that they basically go insane. Kind of like how some people who go to Jerusalem think they are Jesus.

It's called Paris syndrome. It's so strong that some people kill themselves over it.

 

[jje100010001]

Tough times, poverty + loose governance, tight demographic/cultural tensions. Religious sects & a general sense of purpose?

For instance, the Serbs in Kosovo have an above-average birthrate due to their precarious condition, and so do the Albanians in North Macedonia. The Catholics in North Ireland seem to be out-breeding the Protestants, even as the birthrates in Ireland itself has plummeted.

Laestadians in Finland (much like the LDS and Amish) also had a high fertility rate until recently. Some Orthodox priests have larger families, as do many Israelis.

Ultimately, maybe one might say that society is like a tree, without winds to shake it and strengthen its wood, the tree gradually weakens as it grows?