What would it take for Europeans to procreate? - With white 18+ year old women

[Lemmingwise]

That book terrifies me to this day, but I also have to remind myself that in spite of globohomo, humanity isn’t necessarily a monolith, and just because one society would adopt that technology (ethical objections notwithstanding), doesn’t mean another will on the other end of the continent.

Name a single non-african country that didn't adopt mrna-vaccines broad spectrum.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

We shouldn't be thinking of ways to incentivize Europeans to have more children; we should be thinking of ways to incentivize the rest of the world to have less.

All of the data we have suggests that having fewer children is beneficial to society: it allows each child to have more attention and resources allocated to their upbringing, lessens the burden on the education system, puts less strain on the environment, and reduces the scarcity of jobs, housing, and energy.

As our economy is increasingly automated, industry and services will become less labor intensive anyway, so it's not like we'll be needing more people in the future; more people will arguably just mean a reduced standard of living for those who are alive.

In an age of runaway population growth and environmental crisis, Europe is doing something right. We should now be making sure that the rest of the world starts to follow their example.

 

[Blamo]

Make a normal and healthy society?

 

[El Gato Grande]

I see you’ve finally gotten around to reading Brave New World. That book terrifies me to this day, but I also have to remind myself that in spite of globohomo, humanity isn’t necessarily a monolith, and just because one society would adopt that technology (ethical objections notwithstanding), doesn’t mean another will on the other end of the continent. Maybe you haven’t touched much grass lately, but if there’s anyone unironically advocating for baby factories and eliminating the family unit, they’re a very small minority of disconnected academics who have no idea what the average person thinks or wants. I guarantee you if the average person was allowed to own a home without becoming slaves to the bank for the rest of their lives in the process, more people would be starting families.

Also LMAO if you think Kamala Harris is gonna be allowed anywhere near the reins of power after this past year. Choose a better applicant for neoliberal dictator.

I swear, the blackpills from y’all are exhausting sometimes.

I’m halfway joking lmao. You touch grass.

I think as technology becomes more prevalent, society will become more and more artificial, and people will make decisions which are justified by pseudo intellectualism and short term pleasure which have more negative consequences over the long term and in subtle parts of life people don’t understand. Getting rid of the family is far fetched, but consider how different marriage/family relations are in the west on average compared to 100 years ago. What will it look like in another hundred years?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The pill has been free in the netherlands since 1972.

This is one the list of the 1967 on the right side: contraceptive to be available to all.

The cultural element and availability of abortion is also notable in what was at the time still a predominantly christian nation. There were huge protests against this; but you know how media control can make people do anything.

Leftist journalist from the same time have in recent years (after long careers) admitted how much they falsely depicted for example Janmaat, which led to the terrorist attack that caused the man's wife to end up in a wheelchair. I don't think it's unlikely that they depicted things in regards to abortion in similarly warped light to make people swallow it, despite being against the sensibilities of the day.

Availability of abortion is also available on the right side. Of course the left side is more about the cultural factors that lead into not even needing to worry about the right side of the graph; people will demand it for themselves even if not offered once they swallow those cultural ideas.

The problem with an easy access to abortion is that the amount of children born on accident (especially with the relatively intelligent European population) should be very low, and with married couples be offset by how many children they were going to bring into the world anyways. It's not the usual case of a welfare queen being knocked up by a stranger every year.

Ditto I wouldn't attribute anything to journos because, as this site shows, they are almost entirely dumb mother fuckers who like to picture themselves as the cause of social change. At least in my opinion, social changes happen because the social zeitgeist and the establishment want something to change, and journos, at best, speed it along by dancing to the violin of their sponsors.

Basically what I'm saying is that the number of births in Europe is low because the Europeans collectively decided that they'd rather have, at most, a single child to go along their summer house in Spain.

We shouldn't be thinking of ways to incentivize Europeans to have more children; we should be thinking of ways to incentivize the rest of the world to have less.

All of the data we have suggests that having fewer children is beneficial to society: it allows each child to have more attention and resources allocated to their upbringing, lessens the burden on the education system, puts less strain on the environment, and reduces the scarcity of jobs, housing, and energy.

As our economy is increasingly automated, industry and services will become less labor intensive anyway, so it's not like we'll be needing more people in the future; more people will arguably just mean a reduced standard of living for those who are alive.

In an age of runaway population growth and environmental crisis, Europe is doing something right. We should now be making sure that the rest of the world starts to follow their example.

I can't disagree more. Besides resting on a cucked worldview of "we should expect others to compete on our times".
You need to have a completely broken household to not be able to support 3 kids. Ditto having the most intellectual countries killing themselves will just mean we will approach a technological dark age as only niggers and chinks will be there to maintain and create technologies.

 

[Stoneheart]

You need to have a completely broken household to not be able to support 3 kids.

People dont wanna lower their living standard for kids.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

I think the birthrate issue is a side effect of alot of issues , but i think one of the causes people don't think about a lot is pets and pet culture.
Ask yourself how often have you heard a friend or family member refer to their pet as a Baby , or something like "furbaby"? A lot of people use pets are a substitute for children and the fact it isn't frowned upon more is a reason people aren't having kids.

 

[TroonsDid911]

Increase welfare benefits for families so lazy white people can cash in on shitting out babies like niggers and natives in North America do

 

[Lemmingwise]

Ditto I wouldn't attribute anything to journos because, as this site shows, they are almost entirely dumb mother fuckers who like to picture themselves as the cause of social change. At least in my opinion, social changes happen because the social zeitgeist and the establishment want something to change, and journos, at best, speed it along by dancing to the violin of their sponsors

Basically what I'm saying is that the number of births in Europe is low because the Europeans collectively decided that they'd rather have, at most, a single child to go along their summer house in Spain.

When there are mass protests of the magnitude that there were, then you know that it isn't a collective decision. Just as it isn't really a collective informed decision to get jabbed, but rather a series of lies and draconian measures that coerces people into taking one.

 

[Tism the Return]

For Europeans to stop being gay, and that clearly can't happen or else they wouldn't be Europeans.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

When there are mass protests of the magnitude that there were, then you know that it isn't a collective decision. Just as it isn't really a collective informed decision to get jabbed, but rather a series of lies and draconian measures that coerces people into taking one.

I disagree, the cultural zeitgeist in most western countries is blind faith in the government and "experts" which gives the government a blank check to do whatever the fuck they want. Journos can keep writing "why not getting a jab makes you a neo nazi" but the people who read their shit already agree with them by virtue of belonging to the same political camp.

Ironically the French has based enough populace to actually fight against the government and in general you need to get the proles to move their asses to make a change.

 

[byuu]

What would it take for OP to procreate?

 

[DJ Grelle]

Blackpill HQ here it seems
Europe is overpopulated. ATM there are more Europeans than ever before. Just close the borders, let the cities take their eternal toll on the migrant populace and let the general population shrink.
A Europe with no non-europeans + only half the current population would be a thousand times better.

And worthwhile europeans still shack up and pump out babies.

 

[Kiwisee]

I forgot to add something to this thread that would be worthwhile to bring up.

A lot of third worlders that come to Europe are varying degrees inbred, even the ones who have lived on the continent for at least a generation or two due to pressure from their own families to not marry whites.

There’s a BBC documentary about this phenomenon among Pakis in Britain (being the most severe case):

Combined with the fact that white women are the most racially loyal outside of France, the Globohomo attempts to engineer them into not wanting an Aryan Chad isn’t going to be that successful outside of a few pockets in the west.

Yes, there’s a lot of crazy liberal white women who you should quite frankly not give the time of day to. If you’re on the first date and she says she’s a socialist/communist of any kind then RUN! If she’s got dyed hair and psychiatric meds, run for the hills! If you’re good at picking up on BPD traits, you’ll become skilled at weeding out unstable white women and be able to find sane ones (which are not found on dating apps, FYI. But luckily none of you seem to the type to use those anyway).

(Also keep in mind that the self loathing white women who back shit like BLM almost always have some unresolved trauma, which is shown in the way they dress and present themselves. It’s not hard to tell them apart from quality women)

Of course, it doesn’t seem that way because (((they))) want you to be black pilled and demoralized.

Also: higher birth rates in the third world do not account for infant/early childhood deaths, which are also pretty high in those countries. And the fact that non whites have a much higher rate of inbreeding goes in our favour when playing the long game, so while things will look hopeless for some time we’ll be able to survive more plagues than they can.

The non whites who do come to Europe are also super tribalistic and don’t tend to integrate very well. While they are more likely to rape white women, white women are also much more likely to abort rape babies. Considering that progressives have pretty much chosen to die on the hill of “what about rape victims wanting abortions”, they can’t even shame white women for aborting non white babies.

In the meanwhile what can be done to encourage more births among whites? Tax breaks for mothers and tax the shit out of non child bearing people over 35 years old.

Sorry for the rambling, I’m just waking up and trying to articulate on why Globohomo will fail in the long run.

 

[Free the Pedos]

Undo feminism, secularism, and liberalism. Muslims, Mormons, and the Amish all have high birth rates because women stay in the household where they belong taking care of kids who grow up knowing that they'll be ostracized at best if they don't get married and have children of their own.

Most Amish women work, as do a plurality of Mormons. It's never been the case in human history that women with kids who didn't work. They either busted their asses making things at home to sell or worked outside the home when they could. We should embrace the face that the interwebz makes it easier than ever for women to earn some cash from home (no, no camwhoring) and help support the family financially.

People dont wanna lower their living standard for kids.

^This is the real answer. You can find a balance between living like the pre-TLC Duggars in your charity house with half a cup of rice per kid per day and having an only child. People in the communities mentioned above land somewhere in the middle.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

kids are for people without a conscience.

 

[MelloYello]

Infinite population growth is just as unsustainable as infinite economic growth.
Importing 3rd world welfare parasites to keep the fever dream of infinite growth going is either malice or insanity. Probably both.

You mentioned Paris as example. Well, the population of France doubled over the last 200 years. If it shrinks, it'll eventually stabilize at a lower level.
France wouldn't die out, even if its population declined all the way back to 1800s levels.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Simple, ban birth control methods.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Most Amish women work, as do a plurality of Mormons. It's never been the case in human history that women with kids who didn't work. They either busted their asses making things at home to sell or worked outside the home when they could. We should embrace the face that the interwebz makes it easier than ever for women to earn some cash from home (no, no camwhoring) and help support the family financially.


^This is the real answer. You can find a balance between living like the pre-TLC Duggars in your charity house with half a cup of rice per kid per day and having an only child. People in the communities mentioned above land somewhere in the middle.

They worked in the sense that they supported their husbands, but their primary role was mainly child care. I agree on the topic of the internet though. It would be far too easy for wives to make good side money doing part-time work online.

 

[StraightShooter2]

Some weeks ago I've been to France and stayed at a hotel near one of the suburbs next to Paris. Walking around there, what amazed me was that there no children anywhere in sight, with the only exception being a (hilariously meme like) white grandma taking her two black grandsons for a walk (guess the daugher had very poor life choices).

Yeah, in first-world countries we thankfully don't have gaggles of 6+ kids who we can't support like they do in ghettos or 3rd-world countries. Part of the reason people had "more children" in more primitive times (in additional to possibly lacking birth control) was due to higher expectations of infant mortality, or wanting a larger family to aid with menial labor such as farming which was more often necessary in less developed circumstances.

This has probably been the case since the days of ancient Rome and beyond (people in more developed circumstances don't need to have as many children as hardscrabble, survivalist 3rd world countries due, since death from childbirth and infant mortality is less common).

A "nation" doesn't even need everyone to have children or have "more children" to sustain itself. A "population statistic" means nothing. unless you just want more human cannon fodder to send to war (and even then, a "large population" fighting with swords and spears would lose to a modern military or "less population" using fighter jets, tanks, aircraft carriers, and ballistic missiles).

Ideally, it would only be the responsible members of society having children to begin with, and as far as the nation as a whole is concerned, a lot of the stuff which currently is doesn't need "replenishment" and would be better off disappearing at no expense to the nation (e.x. if the ghetto families who do nothing but have gaggles of children they can't support and were left to the expense of the state to raise simply stopped having children and disappeared, society as a whole would be better off, other than maybe the politicians who want to use them as a source of free votes).

This forum talked a billion time about white replacement and mass immigration to make Europe non-white,

"White replacement" is a stupid conspiracy theory that only stupid or illiterate people believe in. The vast majority of immigration (including illegal immigration) doesn't have anything to do with that, it's just people following their own self-interest (or financial interest, such as in the cases of companies illegally hiring illegal aliens off the books to save money). If all you can do is point out some random nutcase like Brittney Cooper or the New Black Panther Party who "hate white people and wish they were dead", that's not even a blip on the radar.

Unless they start banning white people from reproducing, or forcing whites to procreate with non-whites you have no claim to make (and even if that was happening, it wouldn't be any different than Nazi eugenics - just with the skin colors reversed, so there's no way a Neo-Nazi can claim some type of moral highroad on the matter). Just because some incels and virgins can't get laid consensually due to their bad genetics isn't the result of a "conspiracy to stop whites from procreating" no matter how much these fuckers want to believe it.

Basically you just hate that evolution isn't favoring "whites" (most of whom aren't even very genetically "pure" to begin with and have never been DNA-tested but just happen to "look white") over non-whites in the natural selective department. Evolution doesn't give a fuck about someone's quaint little invented notion or "whiteness" anymore than it does about the thousands of other races or people which "diet off" because their genetics weren't fit enough to survive.

but the truth of the matter is that Europeans seem to be completely averse to the notion of a next generation to continue their lineage/take care of them when they're old.

So give your best ideas how to fix it.

What the fuck does this even mean? If you're talking about publicly-funded social program or social security which every taxpayer pays into, this has nothing to do with the level of melalin in a person's skin.

Simple, ban birth control methods.

Better idea, just go move to Sub-Saharan Africa or another 3rd world nation lacking in any modern contributions to arts, sciences, culture, mathematics, and so forth. Since the "culture" you're looking for would basically be 100% identical to that of Sub-Saharan Africa, just with lighter skin. You'd fit better in with the culture of the n*ggers that than you would with "white" people in any actual 1st world country.

Not to mention that birth or population control has existed in every culture from ancient to modern (e.x. ancient laws with harsh punishments for adultery or fornication existed in part to ensure procreate responsibility and prevent children from being born without means to support them, and even exists in the animal kingdom as well):

Ants That Illegally Procreate Are Revealed By Their Guilty Smell

Ants That Illegally Procreate Are Revealed By Their Guilty Smell

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