What would it take for Europeans to procreate? - With white 18+ year old women

[Stoneheart]

What would it take for OP to procreate?

well gay people cant do that...

Europe is overpopulated. ATM there are more Europeans than ever before. Just close the borders, let the cities take their eternal toll on the migrant populace and let the general population shrink.

Europe is not over populated. its just iired, sooo tired.......
no civilisation should be around for 1000 years....

we could feed 2 billion people from central europe alone. the prolem is, people are fine with a bit more of taces to feed useless nigger.
going out and farming more land, well thats hard work and there is no market or need.
Deporting subhumans would maybe help. replacing 1 million lazy nigger with hispanic woman would help. central european woman just have to many retarded ideas, thats why we want immigration from poland(milky milkers) and southern europe. we always needed that, the only difference is that we want them to come on their own since we dont have enough ships to take them by force(or the will to take them by force....

 

[BeeseChurger]

Lower Taxes
Strengthen local economies
Defend the EU border
Send refugees back
Less globohomo agenda in schools and media
Basically find a way to turn the clock back 15-20 years
The topic came up here and there when I spoke to friends or others in my age range (25-30), and the 2 most common sentiments against kids are
A: The financial burden. If you aspire to live any kind of middle-class lifestyle with a kid or more you NEED 2 adults that work fulltime (or one person that earns alot of money), so your only option is to leave your kid/s in kindergarden or daycare facilities until they're old enough to care for themselves, at that point it's basically someone else raising your kid
B: (I know this is going to sound cringy) They don't want their kids to grow up in this post-modernity hellhole that the west has become. Shielding your kid from that insanity, let alone the internet is going to be an added layer of difficulty. And unless something drastic happens it won't get any better anytime soon
I know these are just lame excuses and if you're really hellbent on having kids you can find ways to work around these, but having kids isn't as appealing as it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago.
And don't even come at me with "It's your duty! The 14 words! non-breeders are part of the problem" etc etc. We can't all be wehraboo larpers

 

[topsikrets]

Just kill everyone above the age of 27 who isn't married and doesn't have kids.

 

[Fougaro]

I'm afraid there are only two solutions to increase the fertility rate, none of which most people are going to like. One would be to completely dismantle the welfare state and have people rely on each other and form strong bonds at the very least out of sheer economic necessity. When sucking the taxpayer's tits dry isn't an option for you anymore once you become old and decrepit, you'll have a higher incentive to have children and treat them well enough for them to care about you in your final years.

Alternatively you could take women's rights away and more or less go white shariah if you want to increase the birth rates and keep the welfare gibs going on.

However, because women's rights and especially welfare are the most sacred cows in the civilised world, the only thing for Western Europeans to do is to download Duolingo and start learning Arabic.

 

[Niggernerd]

Let me fuck all the hot women. The men will have no choice but to fuck the fuglies and make do with fugly babies.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

The cost of living, and especially owning your own home, is to high. No one responsible is going to want to have children when they're still bouncing around rented rooms with housemates well into their thirties despite having a decent job. In my country you effectively can't get a mortgage unless you're a married couple both working full time on above average salaries, and even then you'd be really stretched to buy a house. Both people having to work full time then means you need to leave your kids in childcare for some stranger to raise them, which is also incredibly expensive. Increasing the supply of housing and blocking foreign investors from buying it all up before it even hits the market would really go a long way to allowing people to have some stability in their lives and that's one of the cornerstones of starting a family.

It's easy and acceptable to get divorced now, if you were even married in the first place. This isn't entirely a bad thing because domestic violence and addiction and affairs weren't less common when you couldn't leave, people were just stuck in shit relationships and modeled those shit relationships for their children who grew up to have shit relationships of their own. But the result has been that a lot of women have realised it's tactically not a good idea for them to have children, the prospect of becoming a single mother with a decade long gap in your work history is very unappealing to all but the lowest rungs of society. The way to fix that really comes down to personal responsibility- take relationships seriously, treat your partner with respect and be more careful about how you choose them in the first place. That's not something you can force people to do though getting rid of porn and dating app meat markets might help.

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

Can't you retard use google for once?
The cheese-monkeys are among the last Western Nation who are still laying eggs. At least they are doing way better than the US in that matter.

It's lowering (as it is in most comparable places) but it's not that tragic.


Like, it's no skin of my back but Op's post is really retarded "i didn't see much of France but once, outside of the shitty hotel that is all i have seen of the country, i watched a granny walk around a couple of mini-darkies and here's my thesis". Cool story bro.

 

[Fougaro]

Can't you retard use google for once?
The cheese-monkeys are among the last Western Nation who are still laying eggs. At least they are doing way better than the US in that matter.

It's lowering (as it is in most comparable places) but it's not that tragic.
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Like, it's no skin of my back but Op's post is really retarded "i didn't see much of France but once, outside of the shitty hotel that is all i have seen of the country, i watched a granny walk around a couple of mini-darkies and here's my thesis". Cool story bro.

The reason why France was considered to have maintained a healthy birth rate was down to its generous health and welfare system, relatively low childcare costs and high public spending on families.

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Edit: Problem is that if that were the case than the entire western civilised world would have birth rates on par with sub-Saharan Africans when in reality none of them, with the exception of Israel, has one above replacement level. The reason France has a slightly higher fertility rate than other European countries is actually in spite of its welfare and women's rights and almost exclusively solely due to its Muslim Arab and African population that tend to be patriarchal societies, especially within their no-go zones. Just as it is more or less the case in Sweden. You also have a similar situation in Israel where the orthodox Jews are solely keeping Israel's fertility rate above water.

 

[cybertoaster]

If you want more kids you have to go conservative, its the only way and I say this when I'm not a conservative. Even stalin and other soviets saw that when lenin liberalized everything and made gays legal, abortion legal and condoms were everywhere the birth rate collapsed despite being a socialist state where the government paid for everything (when there was anything to buy that is).

When stalin went conservative the birthrate went up again, even tho the scarcity problem was still there. Turns out waiting hours in line for bread wasnt the problem.

Conservatism and religion create enormous social pressure to procreate, meanwhile liberalism destroys that and when you reach insane levels like right now it even pressures you to not procreate to the point even immigrants from conservative cultures stop procreating like they did after the first or second generation.

 

[Spatula]

Literally ban porn and anime.

 

[Ser Prize]

They worked in the sense that they supported their husbands, but their primary role was mainly child care. I agree on the topic of the internet though. It would be far too easy for wives to make good side money doing part-time work online.

Most Amish women work, as do a plurality of Mormons. It's never been the case in human history that women with kids who didn't work. They either busted their asses making things at home to sell or worked outside the home when they could. We should embrace the face that the interwebz makes it easier than ever for women to earn some cash from home (no, no camwhoring) and help support the family financially.


^This is the real answer. You can find a balance between living like the pre-TLC Duggars in your charity house with half a cup of rice per kid per day and having an only child. People in the communities mentioned above land somewhere in the middle.

Women making stuff at home to sell/taking side jobs isn't quite the same as the current focus on life long career women. This is a bigger issue than it might appear because it effectively halves the value of labour, meaning less men can get jobs and thus can't support families.

 

[Temporarybeing]

Do we really want more cheese eating surrender monkeys in the world though?

 

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

Politics are one thing but you guys need to lay off the Fox News and look at the big picture, it's not about politics it's about the quality of information you are fed.

Frenchies have more babies than for examples the next-door-Germans (and it's not juts the fresh-off-the-boats Arabs and Blacks) and also more working mothers, and daycare facilities and financial support provided and it's long been proven than it's why. Because no women shouldn't have to choose between reproducing and working. It's a sucky choice, and it complicated things, and yeah it deters them from reproducing.

All of the sperging about bringing conservatism back and tacking away women's right to force them to make babies is incel-talk from people who want a government-mandated girlfriend. And also, it would make people more miserable and it's not gonna happen, not point entertaining those thoughts.

DO WE NEED MORE CHILDREN THO?

That's another difference between me and you. For me personally, i want children, but i think humanity overall doesn't need to grow in number, and we are already have more then enough people. The idea than we have a risk of depopulation is frankly ridiculous, as Earth and general and even France in particular has never been as populated as it is today. Humanity will be fine even if we make tremendously less babies.

It may be hard to grasp depending on where you live but population growth brings enormous problem. The chinks were not totally wrong when they implemented their demented one-child policy, the idea was sound, it's just the authoritarian implementation that was wrong, and also their culture is so rotten in other aspects than it made things way worse for women.

Too much humans mean Not enough land, water and space to feed everybody. Human-made materials already overweight the natural world (plants and animals). We are running towards a nightmarish soylant-freen-like future if we can't downsize our impact. Downsizing our population is just one of many ways to achieve that goal eventually. And we cant' just kill people, making less of them is preferable.

The Earth is finite and now we are not going to space anytime soon, colonizing other planets is a very distant dream, technically and financially, it's not sustainable and every-single person on Earth currently living will be dead and long forgotten before and if that happens.

But what about the old people and their retirement? No one will get retirement if we are all fighting for the last arable lands. There's a lot of secret billions laying around, Panama papers, PAndora papers... Just grab that money and have robots care for the olds,

 

[Lemmingwise]

These in every country:

Dumb ad, btw. Targetting women is much more effective than targetting men.

Because no women shouldn't have to choose between reproducing and working.

No infant should be without their mother in their first 3 years.

 

[Mr Bunny]

No infant should be without their mother in their first 3 years.

You know, I have friend who is convinced that the rise of autism is linked to the rise of parents "abandoning" their childern to strangers at such young ages.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You know, I have friend who is convinced that the rise of Autism is linked tothe rise of parents "abandoning" thier childern to strangers at such young ages.

Considering that infants that experience 2 days of daycare a week have all the same symptoms as abandoned babies, that would be unsurprising.

I thought leading causes for autism were old dads, lack of infant movement (crawling and such) and anime avatars. But, who knows.

 

[Mr Bunny]

Considering that infants that experience 2 days of daycare a week have all the same symptoms as abandoned babies, that would be unsurprising.

Anything to read on that? I would love to show him that as it would add creditbilty to his theory.

I thought leading causes for autism were old dads, lack of infant movement (crawling and such) and anime avatars. But, who knows.

Anime avatars are a symptom not cause.

 

[Bad Gateway]

A bunch of faggot retards reading wikipedia and homo twitter so they can spend their free time pearl clutching instead of fucking

Many such cases, most of them localized on this clittyposting webzone

 

[Lemmingwise]

Anything to read on that? I would love to show him that as it would add creditbilty to his theory

I heard it from someone who I hold in some regard.

Just a cursory googl search:

Short and long term effects on infants and toddlers of full time daycare centers​

Henry A Brandtjen, Thomas Verny
Saint Mary's University of Minnesota, 2001

See download.pdf
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Early Childhood Research Quarterly​

Volume 3, Issue 3, September 1988, Pages 235-272

The “Effects” of infant day care reconsidered☆​

Author links open overlay panelJayBelsky

See:

The “Effects” of infant day care reconsidered

Evidence concerning the developmental correlates of nonmaternal care in the first year of life are examined with respect to infant-mother attachment a…

www.sciencedirect.com

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[Firetruck9000]

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