What would it take for Europeans to procreate? - With white 18+ year old women

[RayBlue123(TransRights)]

People dont wanna lower their living standard for kids.

Many people wanted their kids to have a trust fund.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Women making stuff at home to sell/taking side jobs isn't quite the same as the current focus on life long career women. This is a bigger issue than it might appear because it effectively halves the value of labour, meaning less men can get jobs and thus can't support families.

Yeah, and it also effectively doubles the amount of labor, doubling output.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

The problem will sort itself out if you keep immigration to a minimum. When the older generations die off their descendants won't have to support grandma and grandpa. There will be more openings in the market and thusly more prosperity and freedom to have kids. The problem right now is that we've reached a point where the global population is going to decline. The population is going to get smaller, and it will stay smaller probably for a long time. Eventually though birth rates will increase again.

 

[Some Badger]

The problem will sort itself out if you keep immigration to a minimum. When the older generations die off their descendants won't have to support grandma and grandpa. There will be more openings in the market and thusly more prosperity and freedom to have kids. The problem right now is that we've reached a point where the global population is going to decline. The population is going to get smaller, and it will stay smaller probably for a long time. Eventually though birth rates will increase again.

It has to happen whether we want it to or not. Malthus stated in no uncertain terms that human population growth can't expand indefinitely, and now that we as a species have been able to observe and experience overpopulation in real time over the past 80 years with statistics available thanks to the Internet. What concerns me is that boomers dying off won't entirely solve the problem, since infant mortality isn't really a big issue in developed countries. The west in particular still has the capacity to perpetuate population growth, even if modern media makes raising children look unsexy.

 

[Ishtar]

I’m open to more radical suggestions. Cloning, vat grown babies. Industrial birthing chambers.

You just need the will to implement such ideas. And if so, we could have billions more Europeans in the world.

 

[Male Idiot]

Easy, but kikes make it hard.

Make child having less expensive. Increase male wages. Promote traditional values.

Orbán is giving money loans to parents. If you get to X number of kids, the loan becomes a gift. Free money. There are layers like Shrek. Get Y number of kids, loan for big car. Get to Z kids, that becomes gibsmuh as well. I think X is 3, Y is 5, Z is 7, but not sure. Fail to have the kids, pay loan back.

I have started to see the grubs everywhere, usually aged to be born after he came into power. Would be a great sight but shitty parents can't discipline them.

So also legalise domestic violence to keep the crotch goblins from being annoying.

 

[Bum Driller]

I've never seen a bigger pile of stinking faggotry than this thread. And considering where we are, that is saying something.

European(and in general western) birthrates are falling because generations that are currently in their twenties and thirties have lots of other options nowadays, things that weren't available to the generations that are now in their fifties and older. Ideological changes or the position of women in the society has very little, if anything, to do with that, outside the fever dreams of certain incels nazis.

It's simply pure materialism at work, as especially for young men it's infinitely more rewarding and interesting to spend your time and your money on adventuring around in bars and in the world at large, with free-from-obligations pussy available for anyone who's not a total subhuman retard.

 

[Drazen]

There are lots of creative ways to promote it. But governments won't. It takes a lot of effort and money. Easier to just promote immigration. I'm sorry, Europe. The shitskins are coming to take your place. It's not what those who came before you fought wars over. If they had known this was coming, they might not have put up any fight at all. Why bother.

 

[polyester]

Repeal "Social Security" and similar entitlement programs.

Having a family, and making sure your kids grow up with "conservative family values" like caring for your parents, used to be the normal way to ensure you don't starve in old age.

But then the state took over the function of housing and feeding people in their old age, and as a result, people stopped taking responsibility for themselves and their future.
Now most people don't even care that woke, marxist public schools/colleges teach kids to hate and betray their parents.

Repealing all retirement benefit programs would force people to pay attention again.

Sure, some would choose to opt into private retirement insurance.
But at least they'd have to actually think about the issue.
I think many more people would realize that, if they have to take responsibility, that starting a family and making sure the kids are taught right is a good way to do it.

 

[PaleTay]

You really can't and boomers and the silent generation are a big reason why. Firstly, they're a driving force behind immigration due to social values and social security. Secondly, the fact they're largely happy about lockdowns and mandates really exemplifies how selfish they are, they're happy to sacrifice their children and grandchildren's future for the miniscule risk to themselves. Two generations of white people had the goal of spending all their money before they died, but becoming cheapskates when it came to their kids and (potential) grandkids.

 

[Jarolleon]

Name a single non-african country that didn't adopt mrna-vaccines broad spectrum.

China, they use a different style of vaccine that is basically a placebo, just dead virus copies that your immune system is supposed to practice on IIRC.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

The issue fundamentally is that the west and liberalism in particular is unwilling to make sacrifices. Unlike what feminists think being a father ultimately means sacrificing a lot of your own self interests for the the family and in extension the nation. Your kids eventually grow up to be citizens. If you’re doing the fun thing it’d be just focusing on making money and maybe dating someone new every couple of years.

This has other implications. As people get more selfish, they become more corrupt. When all you care about is yourself, who cares if you screw over your neighbors, fellow citizens, and relatives. It becomes only about the bottom line and making sure you get what you want at the expense of everyone else. Sadly some kids are still born to these types but it’s like they’re living dolls.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I've never seen a bigger pile of stinking faggotry than this thread

Bum driller complaining about faggotry.

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I don't think fertility is necessarily an inherent good, but any covert anti-fertility measures (vaccination, feminist programs, promotion of homosexuality) are evil for their coercive and dishonest nature.

Overt anti-fertility measures are inherently darwinian flawed. Because the only people that will follow a reasonable appeal to reduce population growth (for nature, for resources, for stability, etc), is going to end up with removing reasonable people from the gene pool and nothing more, and being left with the more fundamentalist (of any side) remaining that aren't open for reasonable overt self-denials for a greater good.

This paradox means that it is worthwhile to make reasonable arguments for population growth, because the people paying heed to such arguments are exactly the people who you want to steward the world.

 

[Ser Prize]

Overt anti-fertility measures are inherently darwinian flawed. Because the only people that will follow a reasonable appeal to reduce population growth (for nature, for resources, for stability, etc), is going to end up with removing reasonable people from the gene pool and nothing more, and being left with the more fundamentalist (of any side) remaining that aren't open for reasonable overt self-denials for a greater good.

This is what they don't get. If the reasonable people aren't having kids then who are? Because those people will become the majority of the population. It's pure dysgenics.

 

[Lemmingwise]

This is what they don't get. If the reasonable people aren't having kids then who are? Because those people will become the majority of the population. It's pure dysgenics.

I mean what I'm saying is just a personal hypothetical that I believe is logical if you think about it. I didn't exactly say that reasonable people aren't having kids, I'm saying that overt attempts at convincing people to not have kids dissuades reasonable people from having kids.

The data actually shows that it's the fundamentalists that are having kids above replacement level (far left and far right basicly). Personally, in a time of such polarization and certain adversity in near future, I find extremist fundamentalism much more reasonable than centrism, but that's a topic for another discussion.

The biggest dysgenic force is the large movements of people leading to large interbreeding between distant genetic groups. There will be a whole subsect of population that will have trouble every being able to get bone marrow donors for example, because even being the same mix is a poor predictor of compatibility, because they are never mixed predictably.

 

[Trapitalism]

• Repeal the 19th (or whatever the equivalent is in Europoor countries)
• Deport the third-worlders
• Find a way to put a womb into traps (while retaining the penis)
• Make having children something that's actually affordable on a single income
• Remove feminism and its harmful influence
• Ban abortion for civilized races
• Give free birth control and condoms to uncivilized races
• Remove the stigma placed against eugenics

That should be enough to increase the birthrate without having an overpopulation problem down the road.

 

[Reluctant MC]

Cheaper cheese and wine. Turn off heating in winter so that they come to each other for warmth.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

The problem is a woman can't get pregnant with a white baby while she's already pregnant with a black or middle eastern baby.

 

[Pump]

The reason why they aren't procreating is because it's too expensive to have children. What we would need is to stop mass immigration that drives wages way down and so that women can get back into the kitchen.

 

[Eurasian Lynx]

Most guys I know eant kids, most women don't. The only way to get people to procreate again is enstating the same policies that evil mustache man used to raise German birthrates, just all across Europe.