What year will all white groups go extinct? - Or, what year will various white groups get to the point of no return?

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@LemonMice Apologies I missed your post, that was a very interesting read.

I take it you have studied gene lines throughout history in great depth.

Do you have maps that detail these waves like you spoke of?
 
All white groups already went extinct

In 1865 (Souf loses)

Or 1945 (Hitler loses)

Or 1965 (LBJ immigration law)

Or 1986 (Reagan immigration law)

Or 2015 (Europe lets 6 gorillion shitskins in)

Or 2021-2024 (Biden lets 15 million shitskins in)
 
@LemonMice Apologies I missed your post, that was a very interesting read.

I take it you have studied gene lines throughout history in great depth.

Do you have maps that detail these waves like you spoke of?
IllustrativeDNA has nice features, but it's paywalled and you need to upload your own DNA file, ancestry is the best, but something like 23&me is ok.

QPadm is more advanced, and you really need to study archeogenetics so you can set your sources and targets properly.

Honestly, you should GTFO New Zealand. Too bad you couldn't migrate back to your genetic homeland or maybe North America. East Coast North America should become a European and West Asian only state (maybe roll out to some north Africans and central asian populations). I don't want it be European only because we need to attract West Asians out of Europe. They don't genetically belong there and will never fit in really. I'm hardcore ethnonationalism/genetic homeland for the old-world. For the Americas, which nobody genetically belongs in, I think it's best to divide ourselves based on sub-speices. And of course we can already use cryo-banks and IVF to prevent extinction.



As for the Ashkenazi Jews, as I have said they genetically cluster between Greek mainlanders, Greek Islanders and have overlap with South Italians as well.

They had their IQ boosted from the various selection pressures put on them. It's decaying to the mean, although as I have said before. You can employ artificial selection to create a caste of very high IQ people. And with a critical mass of highly talented people, they can run an innovation ecosystem so civilization keeps progressing. It basically cuts out eugenics as a useless middle-man, you don't need to change an entire populations avg genetic quality.

There's no such thing as the Jewish race, the Jewish people are a pan-ethnic group though. They are very racially confused people I have to say, and racial confusion is something I despise as it has been a main ingredient for many political disasters. Nazis were extremely racially confused and now that race has been figured out, we pretty much know just how insane they were.

So there's nothing wrong with the Jews on a genetic level, they aren't innately evil or unfixable. It's their identiity and all the baggage they carry with them. They got rejected all across Europe because they were intruding in regions of Europe they did not genetically belong in, that will always increase the risk of rejection and political disasters. In hindsight, they would have been fine if they just chilled in South Italy or Greece.

What we need to do is pretty break the Jew's political will for a lot of their extremist political wishes. Judaism is an unoriginal religion, and draws upon a lot of concepts created from other populations. I.E Hiking up tall mountains to speak to Sky Father is a PIE thing. Sky father striking down chaos serpent is PIE and if not PIE then most likely NAF. Theory of evolution disproved the creation myth, and neolithic anatolian farmers started the farming paradigm change, not god lmao. Table of nations is mostly BS and pretty inaccurate. So all of their prophesises are actually just radical political wishes.

There's no such thing as the White race or European race. Some SE europeans are genetically closer to Levantines than they are to North Europeans. You can make a pan-ethnic group of NW, Northern, and NE europeans where Western-Steppe Herder ancestry peaks though.

There is such thing as sub-species though. Europeans and West Asians along with a few other populations are members of the same sub-species. We share a lot of ancient sources of ancestry and thus share tons of genetic traits, but in different frequencies.

Or 1945 (Hitler loses)
Nobody understood race at the time, him losing was ok. We weren't Aryans, we descend from proto-Aryans. But we're very Aryan-like, Northern Scandinavians the most so. Similar to how Irish people aren't Scottish and don't descend from Scotts, but are very Scottish-like.

Sintashta/Andronovo culture genetically cluster closest to Northern Europeans; their genetic homeland would be somewhere in Northern Scandinavia. But they stayed in the east and got race mixed to extinction. They should have migrated to North Europe. Oh well, we have their genomes and will be able to revive them one day if civilization is allowed to advance enough.

You're going to see politics change a lot. There's academic freedom movements popping up that want to make race, sex, gender, etc have zero taboos regarding studying any aspect of it. Paradigm shifts are going to happen.

Or 1965 (LBJ immigration law)

Or 1986 (Reagan immigration law)
Both were horrible mistakes. When you screw up a version update of something, you roll it back. I don't really see the need to import talent. You can just get your former child prodigies and accomplished geniuses to become gamete donors, and create embryos for surrogacy. All you need is a critical mass of highly talented people. North Europeans can cuck out and raise a whiz kid or two alongside their own.

2015 (Europe lets 6 gorillion shitskins in)
Make East Coast NA a West Eurasian ethnostate so we can attract West Asians out of Europe. Do not be soft on crime, and give the death penality to rapists/animalistic people.
 
Genetics change. Rebuilding a subspecies from 1-2% isn't easy, or we could remke neanderthals.

Better would be simply dna databases and cloning them later, if we assume yellow man can fix this jeeted planet.

If not, Latam/India/Africa only Earth will need a few million years to evolve a smarter group and by that, the only proof of huwhites will be various Nasa space debris.
 
Genetics change. Rebuilding a subspecies from 1-2% isn't easy, or we could remke neanderthals.
As long as you can find some corpses of Europeans, there's a good chance you can get their genomes and then completely sequence them. We should already be focusing our efforts on de-extincting ancient west eurasian populations like Neolithic Anatolian Farmers, Western Hunter Gatherers, PIE, Sintashta/Andronova,

Better would be simply dna databases and cloning them later, if we assume yellow man can fix this jeeted planet.
I wouldn't clone them, maybe create artificial gametes and just make an embryo and then have some chink be a surrogate. I wouldn't rely on Yellow man, he's still an east eurasian and their legacy of innovation is dwarfed by West Eurasians. Your best bet would be to get some West Asians and have them artificially select for general intelligence to create a caste of great inventors. Then they can get to work on de-extincting their European cousins.


If not, Latam/India/Africa only Earth will need a few million years to evolve a smarter group and by that, the only proof of huwhites will be various Nasa space debris.
By then civilization will have collapsed and then they we will have to start all over. More than IQ goes into the innovation process, other traits matter. We're social creatures first and foremost. There's a reason why West Eurasians have almost every paradigm shift in mankind's history under their belt. No West Eurasians = no type 1+ civilization. And if North + Western Europeans go extinct. It would be like taking the handle bars off a bicycle. Sure the bicycle still exists, but it has no steering. So you shouldn't want any West Eurasian genetic clusters going extinct or their population losing critical mass.

Eastern Europeans should be creating a caste of great inventors by artificially selecting for general intelligence. Get your former child prodigies and accomplished geniuses to become gamete donors and create embryos for surrogacy. Then cuck out and raise some whiz kids. They will probably zoom past the education system and get a career early. So greedy women can do this to leech off their genius kid's financial success.

You don't even have to limit to Hungarians. South Slovakians and North Hungarians are the same people. SW Hungarians and NE Croats are the same. Blah blah. There's probably some Amerimutts donors who genetically cluster near Hungarians despite being ethnically mixed as well.

Did the horses make you have sex with black women yet

You brownies are so confused on so many levels. No wonder your nations are dysfunctional. Pureto Ricans and a good chunk of Columbians are the closest to Europeans. Some of them are basically pseudo West Asians. Of course Pureto Rican's birth rate is very low all that is good in this world is dwindling in supply while evil is multiplying.

The Spainards had a god-like genetic impact on latin America. By mixing with native Americans (Who are Siberians, their genetic homeland is in NE siberia) and Sub-Saharan Africans, they basically re-created pseudo North Africans, Levantines, West Asians, central asians, some subcontinentals. Why do you think some Puhgeets can pass as certain hispanics...

They sleepwalked in the footsteps of their neolithic anatolian farmer ancestor's footsteps. Migrate to new lands, and help create new people. West Eurasians are obviously the most god-like people.... You brownies should be worshipping the ground Europeans and West Asians walk on.

There's nothing wrong with interracial relationships, but interracial mixing is both fking gross and genocidal long-term. If a Polish man gets a Nigerian wife. He should father a Polish egg donor and create a male embryo for surrogacy. Then his wife can carry the embryo to term and have a Polish son to replace the dad. Then she can go to a sperm bank and have a Nigerian daughter to replace herself. IVF has silently broken some ancient status quos.

The extremist race commie fantasy of everyone turning into basically negroid turkmen won't happen. Cryobanks and IVF can already prevent that nightmare.
 
Genetics change. Rebuilding a subspecies from 1-2% isn't easy, or we could remke neanderthals.

Better would be simply dna databases and cloning them later, if we assume yellow man can fix this jeeted planet.

If not, Latam/India/Africa only Earth will need a few million years to evolve a smarter group and by that, the only proof of huwhites will be various Nasa space debris.

That is a good point - at least the other tribes can't get into orbit to destroy our creations there. Maybe amongst the debris will be a photo of a white family, the last remaining proof of what we looked like before our extinction.

Did the horses make you have sex with black women yet?

No, the brainwashing doesn't work on me, so I have resisted the urge to race mix with an African woman


@LemonMice Race mixing makes me depressed, and it must make you even more so with your great knowledge of DNA and the migration patterns of various human groups.

You have inside you a genetic lineage that you can trace back to the distant past, a connection with your people, a rich history.

Then you go and race mix and produce an offspring that now breaks the line, the blood ends with you, and your child has no connection to anything. It's a frankenstiens monster.

Would you say Latin America is the most complex when it comes to figuring out all of the various races and where they came from Mr Lemon?
 
Would you say Latin America is the most complex when it comes to figuring out all of the various races and where they came from Mr Lemon?
Not really. Either way, all admixtures will break down to West Eurasian, East Eurasian, African or god forbid, native Australian ancestral components. It doesn't matter how mutted a person is.

Then you go and race mix and produce an offspring that now breaks the line, the blood ends with you, and your child has no connection to anything. It's a frankenstiens monster.
Race mixing between West Eurasians and East Eurasians had a point. A lot of central asians are naturally half west eurasian and half east eurasian. The whole point was to create a continuous genetic fabric with no gaps in Eurasia. That's literally done now so there's no reason to race mix anymore. Even the Aryans/Andronovo culture had some race mixers, as some specimens had some Siberian admixture (It was 3/4 Aryan and 1/4 Siberian). So that person's grandfather had yellow fever lol.

I want to preserve diversity, so I'm against race mixing now. There's enough Hapas out there that they can form their own ethnic group and just marry each other.

I'm not against interracial couples, I think they should just tactically use IVF to have children to replace themself without mixing.

I really hope civilization doesn't collapse. In a couple decades we will have the technology to secure every people's existence and even de-extinct populations.

White nations should have been kept at least 90% White at all costs. Not sure why we would jeopardize civilization becoming type 1 with god-like technology. Knock it off with social justice crap and tell the brownies to wait while paradise for all gets built.

so I have resisted the urge to race mix with an African woman
If you fall in love with an African women, don't be afraid to pursue it. Just use IVF and surrogacy to avoid race mixing. You can have a white son, just get a female egg donor of very similar background to your own, father a male embryo and have your partner be the surrogate mother. Then you will have a white son to replace yourself.

A country like Denmark should be forcing it's non-native citizens to use IVF to have ethnic Danish children from genetically gifted Sperm/egg donors. If non-natives aren't willing to cuck out and support the Danish ethnic group they should GTFO. A country like Germany could have been dangling citizenship in front of foreign women's faces if they choose to use IVF and raise like 3 ethnic german children as their own. Then they can become honorary members of the tribe.
 
No, the brainwashing doesn't work on me, so I have resisted the urge to race mix with an African woman
Would you say that your urge to race mix with African american women came to you naturally or through "brainwashing"? Also, what do you mean by "urge to race mix with an African woman"?
 
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I mostly agree with LemonMice, the rest is semantics.

But, ideally we would have a few million years. The sun will make Earth life hard in a billion years.

Humanity has been around for a very short time.

The hickup in just waiting for another smart race to evolve would be depleted oil/coal that needs to gap until fission/fusion if civilisation collapses.

How soon would those replenish? Could oil be skipped? My worry is that there wouldn't be enough oil to get us a second try to reach fusion and at least sublight stellar colonisation.

I am optimistic that yellows can make it if Yakub's aryans fail, but it is a worry. But once we reach fusion, the rest should be doable.

Arguing about semantics on this is I see as wasted time, we are centuries off to do anything about it, and unless there is a Kiwi library of Shitpostandria, our words will be lost to future men of science.
 
Arguing about semantics on this is I see as wasted time, we are centuries off to do anything about it, and unless there is a Kiwi library of Shitpostandria, our words will be lost to future men of science.
I think this thread is insane and future historians will see us as mentally challenged. My schizo take is the whole genetic engineering thing is coming relatively soon and race schizos in unregulated shitholes (I believe China is a big one) will mass produce whites to make 'the better Chinese' (or something to that effect) and we'll learn the cold hard facts in color on how race affects society.
 
The whites may go extinct sometime before the year 1*10^36 AD (that's a 1 with 36 zeroes after it), assuming that a proton can decay.

In other words, I dunno.
 
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Genetical engineering will be a big one if ZOG doesn't regulate it hard.

But of they do, I imagine the west will only allow it for sex change and becoming Pajeet (or getting a bigger snoz if you are at least part Grestest Ally).

Perhaps in a few centuries, Chinamen will have blue eyes, 7 feet height and galgatuan penis, while Western bugmen will have brown skin, giant nose, and a genetically enforced bug addiction. Dopamine receptors will only fire when reddit updoots are received.
 
@LemonMice Should we use technology to play god though? I can understand trying to preserve that which still exists within reason (if the only way to preserve something is to lock all instances of it in cyro then maybe that is going too far). So many unique European groups are going to vanish soon and nothing is being done to save them (because it's on purpose).

But when it comes to bringing something back from extinction, should we be doing that? If we get to that point where we have means to do so, are we then not removing all purpose of living and the spiritual meaning of life and death, the natural cycle of all things.

Is that when we truly become transhuman?
 
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Also, what do you mean by "urge to race mix with an African woman"?
Could just be for sex. There's a difference between having sex with different ethnic/racial background and wanting to reproduce with one.

Never ask a white supremacist
Why are brownies obsessed with white supremacy? White-skin has always been a status symbol I guess. Are non-whites afraid to get rejected by whites? Who cares, nobody is entitled to social acceptance.

Why can't they just accept that we have innate differences? The most damning ones are the social, behavioral and personality differences. You can employ artifical selection to bridge the general intelligence gap. Those behavioral qualities is what causes different things to emerge from different groups of people. North Europeans have differences with Southern Europeans. But we can tolerate those differences in say the Americas for the most part. We can tolerate differences between Levantines as well, like with Christian background Lebanese refugees. Levant is right next to SE europe.

I think Europeans and hopefully most West Asian populations can co-exist with each other in the Americas. Europe is a different story as we're literally genetically tied to a region of Europe. Having too many non-natives will eventually cause an ugly political disaster.

Are you an Ashkenazi? They're a very greek-like people, which makes sense if you cross Roman women with Judean men. They are pretty close to some imperial roman populations and most certainly have a roman-like alter ego in the west. I like the secular, liberal Ashkenazim, they just need a political transformation and get away from radical lefty cults. Cults tend to push radical political wishes. No more lib-tards.

Or... Are you a mizrahim? I know they really, really like Trump. Yes, I'm sorry, but the Ashkenazim are generally more beautiful, more intelligent, more athletic, more competent and more innovative than the Mizrahim. The Ashkenazim are the face of Jewry, that can't be denied. And I'm glad they rule over the Mizarahim. Just like how the imperial romans ruled over Israel in the past. Some things never change I guess.

If the Mizarahim want to catch up, they will have to cuck out and use IVF to raise the cream of the crop Mizarahim seeds to drastically change their genetic quality generation by generation. Then you can mog the Ashkenazim.

Should we use technology to play god though?
Absolutely, with safeguarding though to prevent disasters. Humans are god-like anyways, sapience is a really, really special trait.

But when it comes to bringing something back from extinction, should we be doing that?
Absolutely. There's ancient west eurasians to bring back from extinction. We intuitively call burials resting places, so we can wake them up from death's slumber or at least an identitical twin of them. The reason why ancient West Eurasians went extinct is because they didn't have a genetic homeland really. But the descendents they would create from mixing in the pre-neolithic, neolithic and bronze age would create populations with a genetic homeland.

If we get to that point where we have means to do so, are we then not removing all purpose of living and the spiritual meaning of life and death, the natural cycle of all things.
I don't believe in eternal life, nor do I believe in eternal death. I think both are logically impossible. A lot of people got screwed with shitty, sometimes short-lived lives. If we can advance civilization where we can reduce suffering, reunite with some dead loved ones, de-extinct, bring back the dead, etc. Then we may as well try to create paradise for all.
 
There is no putting the crisper genie back in Chudora' box.

Genetic engineering will be used. Ethicists are nerds that live in ivory towers who never interacted with the world at large.

The only way to stop genetic engineering is one world ZOG with brainchips and full on 24/7 AI Meta/Tesla thought surveillance. At that point it is just a different, more kosher way of transhumanism.

So you just choose between dystopias. If someone is going to use it, you better not be left out.

Someone will use it to make better humans.
Will it be China trying to make a worker who can work 20 hours a day?
Will it be the CIA to endow their basketball american agents to produce light in the dark without needing a pesky flashlight?
Will it be Israel? Imagine an even bigger nose that can smell good enough to tell real money from counterfeits!
 
With the steady decline of America as the undisputed dominant force in the world and the levels of normie hatred for the jews at it's highest level since the 1930s, I can see us making it. It won't be easy, but we've got a more hopeful outlook than we did a few years ago. Even if we become a tiny, hated minority in our own countries, it's not over. All of us came from a tiny collection of tribes in the Pontic-Caspian steppe who fought and fucked their way to global political, economic, and genetic dominance. We can do it again if necessary.
 
If Jews still exist then so will whitey. But I feel like the world is getting browner every day. If I had to assign a hard date to answer your question, I'd say 2200; only in places like Switzerland will have blonde-haired blue eyed hyperboreans, and traditional religious communities.

An interesting observation I have had is that the definition of 'white' has expanded over time; Italians, Germans, and Irish were considered white decades after Anglos for the purpose of census, then Eastern Europeans, then Jews and Asians if I'm being extremely generous, and probably Latinos of Spanish descent are next. If Latinos are considered white, than with the growing Latino population in the US (7%-->20%) and the shrinking Black population (13%-->11%), it is possible that America will be >80% 'white' if these trends continue.
 
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