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It doesn't matter how bad you think things are now, it can always be worse 
What's the odds that we are suffering because we are all actually in some kind of purgatory or underworld? - Maybe you were due to hit retirement 2000 years ago
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yeah, tbh while it isnt a great life, it isnt all that bad all things considered. it could easily be far worse.
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This thought is ultimately trivial to me, there are several scenarios for this to be true, main ones are:
- A higher conscious entity exists.
- A higher conscious entity does not exist.
Whether there exists this god or not, doesn't matter, as it appears to be (as hinted previously) a demon, a lazy bum, or both. Most things happen according to causality without external force (like by this god), that's why some newborn burning to death won't be saved by a higher power, why evil people get away and have gotten away with metaphorical & literal murder, and why innocent people suffer.
If there was a "god" letting this happen, it would not get my praise, and if I could do something about it, I'd end them.
Your thought experiment is just that, there isn't anything suggesting that that's the case, and you'd apply Hitchen's Razor like you would to one-eyed Unicorn goddess being the center of this universe theory.
- A higher conscious entity exists.
- Has created this world as a purgatory for their own wicked sense of justice (let's leave it at that).
- Has not created this as a purgatory, this is the "normal" world, and still is wicked or negligent.
- A higher conscious entity does not exist.
- This world is like a purgatory created by chance, but as such, is indistinguishable from a regular world because its purpose is not given by any conscious entity, it's just another shitty world.
- This world is not a purgatory, it's just crap.
Whether there exists this god or not, doesn't matter, as it appears to be (as hinted previously) a demon, a lazy bum, or both. Most things happen according to causality without external force (like by this god), that's why some newborn burning to death won't be saved by a higher power, why evil people get away and have gotten away with metaphorical & literal murder, and why innocent people suffer.
If there was a "god" letting this happen, it would not get my praise, and if I could do something about it, I'd end them.
Your thought experiment is just that, there isn't anything suggesting that that's the case, and you'd apply Hitchen's Razor like you would to one-eyed Unicorn goddess being the center of this universe theory.
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Yes you are right that I cannot prove this is all a facade for real life, it's more about the unusual aura that everything has lately, the feeling that something is off.
Also, think about the bad things happening like you mention, or the slow grind of life, if you were designing a purgatory or hell, wouldn't the best form of suffering be an eternity of the life we are living now?
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There's a lot to say about this, but for starters, the idea of a purgatory, under the theory of the existence of an omnipotent/omniscient god that can change whatever they want at will, is mostly nonsense (unless you go to extremely contrived hypotheticals).
Why would this purgatory be created in the first place? The usual answer is to cleanse or punish evil-doers (or immoral people, according to the supposedly existing objective moral code (that is already problematic by itself)), which seems capricious & even sadistic.
Why? Imagine you are this god, and you can cleanse these individuals at will, change their fabric to make them pure and release all their wickedness, but you don't. Instead, you purposefully make a world where unfortunate circumstances can easily happen (and do happen constantly), forcing creatures to be apathetic, to do immoral things, and to push them to being "bad" through pain & suffering (how they'll behave was already determined by your design, the free will argument is a cope when facing omnipotence).
And now that that happened, you have the gall to take your supposed creation, open to this path in life by your design, molded through pain, and you're going to make them suffer, when you could immediately fix it, and with no repercussions as an omnipotent entity.
So to answer your question & to reiterate, if that was how this world worked with such a god, it would be a sadistic/lazy demon. Furthermore, if I was this douche of a god, and I wanted to make a purgatory like you say, I could do a trillion other things instead of making this world, where actual scum has a chance of being successful, like for example I could make a purgatory where you relive mild pain on a loop until the metaphorical evil-bars in your moral counter deplete & are paid off.
But that's just ridiculous, and is subject to Hitchen's Razor like other bold theories.
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I could sperg but this poster put it much better than I ever could.
"Why do god give us more kibble than wets, if wets are better?"
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Yeah, but you could substitute that for "why does god let babies get torn apart while they're still conscious? Die slowly of famine, disease, or deeply suffer from insane malformations?" for example.
That is not as catchy.