What’s the point of marriage if it’s going to go to shit anyway?

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Marriages go to shit, when the man isn't an alpha and let the woman get control. As we all know, women are petty and need someone to control them.

You sound like my wife.

 

[Spooky Doot Skelly]

If you're a man there's no point to getting married anymore. Sex its no longer tied to marriage and casual sex its the norm. Not only are long-term relationships the new normal, even fuck buddies are a normal occurrence now and nobody is to kick you out for having a chick only for plowing. Back then being a bachelor got you ostracized to the point some countries had a tax on that so you had to get married to be part of society, you HAD to get married or become a pariah, but not anymore. That social pressure no longer exists, and the religious pressure its even lower

Then theres the shitty divorce laws, and the even shittier domestic abuse ones where even talking back to whatever bitch you are stuck with could land you in jail. Shit, "denying sex" to your wife its a crime in scotland meaning the government basically says your wife raping you its legal. Paternity tests are illegal in france, any random chick can say you're the baby daddy and you cant do shit besides fleeing to a country without an extradition treaty. Divorce has become so easy and consequence-free for women that they are the ones that initiate the process most of the time so its not even up to you to save your marriage. Despite all the feminist shit you wont find any equality at family courts, just look at the number of suicides among divorced men, who wants that? life its hard enough as it is for men. And this is not just the west tho, many other countries including mine have draconian divorce laws too

And if you really want kids you can pay a surrogate to carry yours, cheaper than getting married too and no risk of getting your kids taken from you. Again there's no point anymore which is why a lot of guys are living the life instead of getting shackled to some cunt until the judge gives her half of their shit. The only losers here are the bottom 40% of men who cant get any. It used to be that ugly people married each other because even for the lower classes being single was a big no-no but now even ugly chicks can get some out-of-her-league dick with tinder. Of course after 30 they are fucked and become cat ladies (seen it happening, not a stereotype) that will likely die alone but thats not my problem. But back to that bottom 40% of men, they havent been getting any since the 60's when the sexual liberation began so its not like the status-quo has changed at all for them, if anything its back to the old days when the majority of men died without ever getting laid/having kids

>inb4 "married men are happier/have it easier"

Those stats are cooked af, do they also count how divorced men feel? no, and when they do these studies they count the permavirgin forever alone incels too which is BS because its not like they choose to be single, they were never gonna get any in the current context anyway, as much sense as to ask hobos if they are happy when doing a "how billionaires feel?" study. If anything they should only evaluate married men+divorced men vs men who did choose to not get married, thats the only way you can get a correct measure of happiness and/or success. BTW I also seen this metric being shown alongside that about career choices which TL;DR married men are better for the economy because they are willing to work harder shittier jobs to support their family which the states forces them to do while bachelors are okay taking thing slow and doing whats better for them. How is that a good thing? how is working yourself into an early grave an upgrade?

You sound very unhappy. It’s literally as easy as not choosing a psycho bitch who will ruin you. Women are not hard to figure out, they will give you plenty of red flags if you know what to look out for. Avoid those women and your life will be happier. Are the laws retarded and stupid? Sure. But that shouldn’t stop you from having kids and a family. If you’re working a career and contributing as a single man to society through labor and taxes, that’s all going to other people’s kids. Quite literally cuckoldry. Have your own kids, raise your own kids (unless you want to be clergy). The best way to do that is marriage.

 

[Cool Dog]

You sound very unhappy.

Whats next? "who hurt you"? pathetic

Are the laws retarded and stupid? Sure. But that shouldn’t stop

No but the courts will, bet you gonna enjoy jail when you cant make those alimony payments

. If you’re working a career and contributing as a single man to society through labor and taxes, that’s all going to other people’s kids.

I evade taxes all the time, and thanks to free college I've already cost society more than I will ever give back so fuck it

The best way to do that is marriage.

Not anymore, what are you a tradcuck? you didn't even disprove any of my points

problem is that for more and more men the family part of the equation isn't attainable anymore, so the whole thing degenerates into "work your ass off at a shit job and get nothing in return" which is a really shitty deal

This is what these tradcuck retards dont get, theres simply no incentive to get married anymore and all kinds of benefits to stay a bachelor that didnt exist even a decade ago

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

yeah i guess the billions of people who have lived with illegal adultery and kept it that way for thousands of years were all just massive losers with no clue about anything lol

mind boggling levels of arrogance on display right there

I really don't care if it's arrogant to call a loser a loser. The fact remains that banning adultary is barely one step removed from the state-enforced tradwives incels like to dream of, and the only people who would ever benefit from such a law are seething cucks and bitter old harridans.

Plus, if you look at the overall quality of the societies which have laws prohibiting adultary verses the ones that don't, it becomes immediately clear that my charge of loserdom is every bit as true at the societal level as it is at the individual one, since the former are invariably less well educated, less innovative, and less economically developed societies than the latter.

In short: cope. Metaphorically running to the principle's office because your wife won't play with you just makes you pathetic.

 

[KittyGremlin]

Stop romanticizing marriage.

Marriage has never been about love or loyalty. Marriage is an economic contract. Did you know that with today's economy it takes 2 people's income to be able to successfully survive in a modern city? See the value of rent of a basic apartment plus the cost of food and bills. It's impossible to do it alone.

And even if one of the two has a large enough income to sustain a family, someone still needs to be in charge of the domestic economy. This mechanic is as old as time and goes back to our prehistoric ancestors. Back in the day marriage was just made to join wealthy families and ensure a good dinasty.

And that's the point of marriage, my child.

Yeah but you do need a certain degree of trust and faith in the other person to actually take that leap. So, you either have draconian laws penalizing or outright banning divorce and possibly allocating all power towards the man of the family, or the pair actually has to, you know, love each other.

 

[emptyblu]

I really don't care if it's arrogant to call a loser a loser. The fact remains that banning adultary is barely one step removed from the state-enforced tradwives incels like to dream of, and the only people who would ever benefit from such a law are seething cucks and bitter old harridans.

Plus, if you look at the overall quality of the societies which have laws prohibiting adultary verses the ones that don't, it becomes immediately clear that my charge of loserdom is every bit as true at the societal level as it is at the individual one, since the former are invariably less well educated, less innovative, and less economically developed societies than the latter.

In short: cope. Metaphorically running to the principle's office because your wife won't play with you just makes you pathetic.

Lol, this is why i don’t want to get married, you could be the perfect partner put tons of effort into taking care of the kids and trying keep your partner happy and they will still cheat and people like you will defend them and blame the victim for not being “good enough“ or “for being too much of a loser“ for some reason the wife or husband who cheated is always a perfect angel who was too good for me, Fuck that no one should be forced to take that shit.

Attractive, kind, and successful people get cheated on too you know it has nothing to do with being an “ugly loser” No one should take the blame because their spouse decided to ruin their marriage that’s no one’s fault.

 

[Not a fake name]

It makes me sad that so many of you have such a screwed vision of marriage. It seems the media and the gay agenda has done its job to devalue the significance of marriage.

That many of you view marriage as only a way to have sex and pay rent, and why get mixed up in the legal or spiritual components if you can just fuck a roommate and never work on bettering yourself or your partner.

Marriage is a incredibly rewarding, having a person that supports you, cares what happens to you, understands you, improves you and builds a future with you. It makes you a better person, mentally, physically and spiritually.

Too many people view it as just the next step of a relationship, and underestimate how much work goes into creating a lifelong stable relationship, it’s two people becoming one, you are no longer acting for yourself, you have to communicate and compromise.

Marriage is not easy, people that look like they have easy marriages have put in the work to get there. Don’t be disheartened because it’s hard, it’s hard because it’s worth it.

 

[AbyssStarer]

19

That’s the worst part about marriage. When the honeymoon phase is over the husband or wife starts to bitch about you, and list everything wrong with you and then they go and cheat on someone who makes them feel “young“ and “free” like they were before marriage. Honestly that thought depresses me I don’t want to be the source of someone’s misery and then get blamed by everyone including my own spouse when it goes to shit.

Keep preaching about multi-year adult relationships, little 19 year old kiddo.

If you put work and dedication into your relationship and you do it with somebody who has a similar value system to yourself whom you can communicate with then marriage is rewarding and worth it. If you get married young with a retard when you don't understand what marriage takes then no shit you'll be unhappy.

Stop letting modern media and popular JewTubers tell you what to think,
oh
and touch grass.

 

[Lets Fucking Go!]

ITT: Cringe walls of texts from incels

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Lol, this is why i don’t want to get married, you could be the perfect partner put tons of effort into taking care of the kids and trying keep your partner happy and they will still cheat and people like you will defend them and blame the victim for not being “good enough“ or “for being too much of a loser“ for some reason the wife or husband who cheated is always a perfect angel who was too good for me, Fuck that no one should be forced to take that shit.

Attractive, kind, and successful people get cheated on too you know it has nothing to do with being an “ugly loser” No one should take the blame because their spouse decided to ruin their marriage that’s no one’s fault.

My derision isn't directed towards anyone who is unfortunate enough to get cheated on; rather, it is reserved for those who are so insecure about the possibility of being cheated on that it turns them into a controlling dork with a prickly sense of entitlement.

If you're simply a decent person who has been betrayed in a relationship, then you have my complete sympathy, but if you're so haughty and indignant that you want the state to come to your defense over it, you're nothing short of pathetic. Grow up and move on.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Don't marry the first whore that touches your pp

Where's the fun in that? I like living dangerously.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Women are not hard to figure out, they will give you plenty of red flags if you know what to look out for.

Not everyone can be as socialized as you. Many of us learn from trial and error, and some have the misfortune of not having accumulated enough errors to learn from by the time they make a decision.

It's not that you're incorrect, it's that you still need to proffer actionable advice. Women aren't complicated, but that's only because-- for the vast majority-- rather than having byzantine analytical thought processes, they operate moreso from feelings in a way the average man is unfamiliar with.

I really don't care if it's arrogant to call a loser a loser. The fact remains that banning adultary is barely one step removed from the state-enforced tradwives incels like to dream of, and the only people who would ever benefit from such a law are seething cucks and bitter old harridans.

...and children, who theoretically wouldn't have to worry about their family breaking apart right under their noses in a society that actively frowns on adultery and has summarily decided it shouldn't even be legally abided.

I haven't fully thought out the consequences of literally criminalizing adultery (I was thinking that what you would do is end no-fault divorce, and make proven adultery an automatic lose condition), but I doubt you've even thought about this at all. You don't even think of the liabilities of adultery such as the complications arising from children born extramaritally (custody isn't cut and dry when the child is provably born from the union of a partner in one relationship and a partner in another relationship) or the fact that your assets would be largely joined to someone that demonstrated that they have no respect for the marriage contract made or the family unit established (since adultery does cause damage to the family unit as a whole, which means it negatively affects children) and is now engaging in this breaking of contract while having access to said joint resources, which is a potential problem for the entire family. Adultery is multifariously bad, well beyond the feeling of betrayal.

It's also asinine to assert that this is anywhere close to "state-enforced tradwives", because the whole point of that meme is that there's a list of women assigned to men, whereas "banning adultery" is the state acting in contracts willingly signed by both parties and recognized by the state because it (ideally) has active interest in the stability of family units.

Plus, if you look at the overall quality of the societies which have laws prohibiting adultary verses the ones that don't, it becomes immediately clear that my charge of loserdom is every bit as true at the societal level as it is at the individual one, since the former are invariably less well educated, less innovative, and less economically developed societies than the latter.

Uh huh, yeah, but are their families largely intact? Because that's important for successive generations, unless you mean to tell me that children born in broken homes (an overwhelming reality in present-day America since the 60s or so) is a good or even neutral thing.

Not everyone needs to be at the cutting edge of education, innovation, and economic development, and these things don't automatically create fulfillment or even happiness.

 

[Spooky Doot Skelly]

Not everyone can be as socialized as you. Many of us learn from trial and error, and some have the misfortune of not having accumulated enough errors to learn from by the time they make a decision

I think it’s easier than ever in the modern day to learn what signs to look out for. Thanks to Twitter, youtube, and other social media you can ascertain what the general mannerisms/red flags are of tons of women without actually having to get burned.
obviously you still need social interaction, but that’s part of growing up.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

...and children, who theoretically wouldn't have to worry about their family breaking apart right under their noses in a society that actively frowns on adultery and has summarily decided it shouldn't even be legally abided.

Who says they wouldn't have to worry about their family breaking apart? Can the state force the couple to remain living together? Can the state ensure that they still share the same bed, or display enough affection that the child knows they still love each other? Can the state guarantee that the child enjoys a happy home life in the wake of a domestic rift between their parents, who clearly no longer wish to be together?

From the child's perspective, a happy mother and father who remain committed to one another is obviously preferable compared to a broken home, but I've seen no evidence that inorganically forcing their parents to remain in close proximity when it's clearly not working out is.

If you want a real world example of people who are forced to remain with their partners due to threats of violence, simply look at the countless examples we have of homes where domestic abuse and victimization is prevalent. Those homes clearly aren't good for children, and what a ban on adultary would do is effectively sanction and provide cover to such living arrangements. In other words: a bad idea.

Not everyone needs to be at the cutting edge of education, innovation, and economic development, and these things don't automatically create fulfillment or even happiness.

They don't automatically create fulfillment or happiness, but they certainly help; so much so that it's statistically asinine to try to argue otherwise.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Who says they wouldn't have to worry about their family breaking apart? Can the state force the couple to remain living together? Can the state ensure that they still share the same bed, or display enough affection that the child knows they still love each other? Can the state guarantee that the child enjoys a happy home life in the wake of a domestic rift between their parents, who clearly no longer wish to be together?

They have less to worry about, period, particularly from the fallout caused from adultery versus plain separation. Their family may still break apart, but there'd be less occasion for one of the causes (adultery) because it being able to be proven that you sabotaged your family unit in that way would open you up to a world of legal hurt.

They can't compel couples to continue to live together after the fact. They can make examples, both to married couples as well as those considering state-recognized marriage. Pre-selection, in short.

If you want a real world example of people who are forced to remain with their partners due to threats of violence, simply look at the countless examples we have of homes where domestic abuse and victimization is prevalent. Those homes clearly aren't good for children, and what a ban on adultary would do is effectively sanction and provide cover to such living arrangements.

"A ban on adultery would allow domestic violence to persist."

What?

If you ban adultery and make it an auto-lose condition in divorce/family court, it has nothing to do with domestic violence.

They don't automatically create fulfillment or happiness, but they certainly help; so much so that it's statistically asinine to try to argue otherwise.

Except that several first-world countries struggle with matters like loneliness, mental illness, depression, civil unrest, etc. Being dirt poor is detrimental, but my point was that you don't have to be anywhere near the top in order to find fulfillment or mere happiness.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

...and children, who theoretically wouldn't have to worry about their family breaking apart right under their noses in a society that actively frowns on adultery and has summarily decided it shouldn't even be legally abided.

What? Don't most societies that seriously practice this punish adultery with oftentimes death? People still did it anyway and got stoned or whatever the punishment was/is. I'd call having your mother or father getting the rope breaking the family apart for sure.

Threads like this are amusing because honestly, why bother doing anything but living in your mom's basement having her bring you Hot Pockets while you play vidya and shitpost on KF 24/7. Why get married (or even in a relationship at all), why have kids, why try to get a job, why do anything worthwhile, everything is stacked against you and you will fail. Jesusfuckingchrist.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

By the way, studies consistently show that married men report higher levels of happiness and have better health outcomes throughout life. Here: https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/marriage-and-mens-health

Serious question what about women?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Don't most societies that seriously practice this punish adultery with oftentimes death? People still did it anyway and got stoned or whatever the punishment was/is.

People still murder, despite the fact that in some jurisdictions, you get punished with anything up to death. Why bother having laws at all, if some people will still break them?

To keep more people from committing those acts and generating the societal damage that those acts bring, of course. Executions in some cultures are publicized in order to make examples out of the condemned, as well.

I'd call having your mother or father getting the rope breaking the family apart for sure.

The family's already broken at the point the adultery occurs.

Threads like this are amusing because honestly, why bother doing anything but living in your mom's basement having her bring you Hot Pockets while you play vidya and shitpost on KF 24/7. Why get married (or even in a relationship at all), why have kids, why try to get a job, why do anything worthwhile, everything is stacked against you and you will fail. Jesusfuckingchrist.

...are you suggesting that in order to answer the thread prompt, we need to be able to answer these kinds of questions?

Or, are you honestly asking?

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

50% of marriage ends in divorce, husband complains the wife is too naggy and uptight, wife complains husband dosent love her like he used to, one of them end up cheating and the kids are forced to witness it all crash and burn.

I recall many people sharing stories of how their friends have dead eyes ever since they got married or how they are so miserable bein stuck with their horrible spouse and you don’t really get appreciated enough in the relationship and your partner unfortunately takes you for granted.

Being a wife or a husband sounds like a thankless job so why do people still bother doing it?

maybe people think it will work for them. maybe they both truly love eachother? some are willing to take that risk

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Not everyone needs to be at the cutting edge of education, innovation, and economic development, and these things don't automatically create fulfillment or even happiness.

Off-topic, but I give it 5 years at most before implying this gets you cancelled to no tomorrow for heresy against the holy gods of society and progress.