What’s the science with oils and health now

[Maldavius Figtree]

SS Board related because: By chance I got a few pounds of beef „waste“ from a butcher, and I gave tallow rendering a try. Pretty satisfying to go from „heap of disgusting waste“ to „clear odorless neutral liquid“. This stuff is genuinely great, easy to clean up, very high smoke point, tasty as fuck.
Not posting pics because some of you autists scare me.

But is this stuff healthy or nah?
Like I am genuinely not sure anymore, and the older I get the worse it gets, the science is just changing every few years.
It’s like with how the eggs are simultaneously good for your cholesterol and bad for your cholesterol. The science says so bigot.

Some oils and fats are supposed to be healthy, some really unhealthy, oh no wait actually you shouldn’t be eating any fats, oh no wait it’s sugar not fats, uh so actually there is saturated and unsaturated fats, and there has to be this ratio or that ratio or whatever, you need to mix 3 different oils in perfect ratio, no wait you should avoid animal fats, no actually avoid seed oils. Oh wait actually fats and oils are completely fine it’s just that people eat a lot of junk food and that skewed the studies OH WAIT NO THE CORN OIL IS MAKING YOUR DICK FALL OFF-

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT IS IT NOW

I need some definitive answers, from a health perspective:
How much fats and oils should I be eating?
Which fats should I be eating, and which should I avoid?
The next time I have to purchase a bottle of oil for cooking and frying, which one should I get? Canola? Processed olive oil? Rapeseed (lmfao)?

 

[Fuckshitballs185]

Just eat food and workout.

 

[attractive_pneumonia]

Rule of thumb is the more ancient and time tested it is the better it is for you. Tallow, Butter and Olive Oil should be your staples, stuff like Canola oil is processed with nonsense like hexane and sodium hydroxide, Olive Oil? Just put the olives in a hydraulic press and they're squeezed or put into a centrifuge with a really fine mesh that prevents the pulp from passing through and is spun and the oil is collected. The more processed the product is the more its going to fuck your shit up with inflammation. Butter? Just beat milk with a whisk, tallow? Its just fats from another animal brought up to temperature.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Cholesterol is generally bad for you since you likely consume way too much seed oil. High cholesterol = more seed oil byproducts your body makes messing up your system = death. Since seed oils are in fucking EVERYTHING and even contaminate chicken and pork through animal feed, you should reduce both your cholesterol and seed oil intake. However, the latter is generally more important for your health, so use olive oil and fats for frying (which you shouldn't eat a lot of anyway) and avoid using seed oils for anything.

Rule of thumb is the more ancient and time tested it is the better it is for you. Tallow, Butter and Olive Oil should be your staples, stuff like Canola oil is processed with nonsense like hexane and sodium hydroxide, Olive Oil? Just put the olives in a hydraulic press and they're squeezed or put into a centrifuge with a really fine mesh that prevents the pulp from passing through and is spun and the oil is collected. The more processed the product is the more its going to fuck your shit up with inflammation. Butter? Just beat milk with a whisk, tallow? Its just fats from another animal brought up to temperature.

It's not so much the processing that makes seed oils bad, it's their inherent chemistry. They fuck up the omega-3/omega-6 ratio in favor of the latter, which was not physically possible for any society in human history. The human body isn't built for a severe imbalance, but we now have a good 5-6 times an imbalance as any premodern society did. Ergo, our rate of obesity and cancers have gone up. Societies like Israel, which have even higher rates of seed oil consumption, are even worse than the US in some aspects.

I should also mention that a lot of seed oils started as industrial or government scams. Cottonseed oil was the cotton industry wanting to dump industrial lubricant into the food to raise the price of cotton and cotton products. Canola oil (or rapeseed) was a literal low quality animal feed that the Canadian government started marketing to humans as Can(adian)o(i)la oil once they found a variety slightly less toxic to humans.

 

[ChefBourgeoisie]

Rule of thumb is the more ancient and time tested it is the better it is for you. Tallow, Butter and Olive Oil should be your staples, stuff like Canola oil is processed with nonsense like hexane and sodium hydroxide, Olive Oil? Just put the olives in a hydraulic press and they're squeezed or put into a centrifuge with a really fine mesh that prevents the pulp from passing through and is spun and the oil is collected. The more processed the product is the more its going to fuck your shit up with inflammation. Butter? Just beat milk with a whisk, tallow? Its just fats from another animal brought up to temperature.

Some seed oils need little more than cold pressing (and if they do more than that, it's for higher yields... same as olives). Sunflower comes to mind, but it'd work half-way well for peanuts. I'm uncertain myself about the "seed oil" thing, but if there is truth in it then the amount of processing a particular product requires to extract oil seems like a poor criteria for safety.

That said, nothing beats beef tallow or even just bacon grease. Everything tastes better, makes it easy to keep things from sticking to the pan, etc.

 

[Neodanthril]

so on the sugar and fats thing there is a very good book on the subject called pure white and deadly by john yudkin. the tl;dr is that there is a lobby for sugar but not a lobby for fat, so bs studies were made to deflect the problem away from sugar and onto fat.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Just don't be a Drachenlord. Eat a balanced diet in moderation and you're gonna be fine.

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

None of you niggas actually answered my question. Anyways this beef tallow is tasty as fuck.

Just don't be a Drachenlord. Eat a balanced diet in moderation and you're gonna be fine.

 

[NoReturn]

But is this stuff healthy or nah?

Yes.

How much fats and oils should I be eating?

Depends on your overall diet, current level of fitness, and ethnic background.

Which fats should I be eating, and which should I avoid?

Seed oils bad.

The next time I have to purchase a bottle of oil for cooking and frying, which one should I get? Canola? Processed olive oil? Rapeseed (lmfao)?

None of the above.
Olive oil is only for like, some dishes, otherwise it's a condiment/seasoning. Cook in animal fats, avocado oil, or coconut oil.

None of you niggas actually answered my question. Anyways this beef tallow is tasty as fuck.

Yes. It's also good on your skin if you make it into a balm.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Tallow's great, especially for baking.

 

[Grub]

Olive Oil? Just put the olives in a hydraulic press and they're squeezed or put into a centrifuge with a really fine mesh that prevents the pulp from passing through and is spun and the oil is collected. The more processed the product is the more its going to fuck your shit up with inflammation. Butter? Just beat milk with a whisk, tallow? Its just fats from another animal brought up to temperature.

You need to be careful with olive oil and pay attention to the wording on the bottle. It's one of those foods where the words used in the labelling and grading are regulated so shady companies get around it by mislabelling their olive oil with unregulated words that mean nothing to try and pass off garbage oil as good olive oil. Olive oil is one of those things you actually want to spend the extra money on to get the good stuff.

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

Dunno if you guys follow the US politics thread but damn was i ahead of the curve again.
Anyways get yourself tallow from the butcher. You can render it ezpz in a crockpot and it’s dirt cheap. Fucking tasty as well.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I feel you nigger , the thing is every person is different . You just throw shit at the wall and see what works . Just listen to your body. See what makes you feel better in the long run

 

[Bofa Shekelstein]

Seed oils are bad and everything else is good.

Another easy way to get tallow is as a byproduct of beef. I've found myself getting super fatty ground beef (60-40) and using a lot extra in recipes (~1.5x). The end result is about the same amount of overall beef, but you can then strain out the fat drippings after you're done browning the beef. I got a full mason jar from about 6lbs of the stuff--4 recipes that called for 1lb.

Then you can just scoop the tallow out of the jar and use it to cook.