Wheel of Time - Discuss the Books and the Canceled TV Show

I'm torn between Egg and Caddy for the most hated character in WoT.
I was really confused by who Egg was supposed to be, I thought I was in the GRMM thread for a moment.

@Trombonista I hate to bother you for a small reason like this, but given that the Amazon Wheel of Time show has been canceled and is not coming back I think it may be more appropriate for this thread to be moved to literature since we are still using it for discussion of the books, if you would please use your magical broom and sweep us over there.


Edit: Thank you Trombonista, everyone who can do so shake your spears at her, My read of Book 2 starts next Sunday.
 
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Welcome to any Art and Literature posters who might be surprised by a nearly 100 Page Wheel of Time thread just suddenly appearing, we kind of were in Multimedia but I basically claimed the thread for me to sperg about the books with because I might have had a few meltdowns about the fucking show and then the show got canceled and now we are having fun with me rereading the series. (with occasional appearances by Leigh Butler, if she brings up something I think is interesting)

Book 2: The Great Hunt.

For clarity, this is my favorite book in the series. Season 2 of the show caused me a great deal of emotional torture because it completely shat on my favorite book of my favorite book series. There are characters that we are going to discuss that I am going to have some things in spoilers for because if someone wants to read along for the first time there is a pair of plot twists that I try not to ruin because I think they are 2 of the best twists in all of fiction.

Prologue : In the Shadow

Summary

A man who calls himself Bors stands in a great hall, watching his fellow Darkfriends paying attention to details that identify what nation and class they come from.

A noblewoman from illian
A noblewoman from Arad Doman
A Shienaran Soldier
A Tinker
A high Lord of Tear
A member of the Andoran Queen’s guard
A Male Seafolk
Two Aes Sedai
And random lowborn people from Kandor, Cairhien, Saldaea and Ghealdan

As he ponders the identities of the various other Darkfriends a pair of Trollocs enter from a door, they flank the door and kneel as a Myrddraal enters. The Myrddraal announces to the gathered Dark Friends that “Their Master comes” and “to prostrate themselves”

Bor balks for a moment before a figure shimmers into the air above the Myrddraal and Bors flings himself to the ground along with the rest of the Dark Friends and begins speaking their oath to the Great Lord of the Dark.

“The Great Lord of the Dark is my master and most heartily do I serve him to the last shred of my very soul, Lo my master is death’s master, asking nothing do I serve against the day of his coming, yet do I serve in the hope of life everlasting. Surely the faithful shall be exalted in the land, exalted above the unbelievers, exalted above thrones, yet do I humbly serve against the day of his return. Swift come the day of the return, swift come the Lord of the Dark to guide us and rule the world ever and ever”

After the catechism the Dark One calls them to rise, and sees a figure in a Black mask floating above the Myrdaal wearing a Blood Red Cloak with only his hands showing, hands that are cracked and scarred as if being burnt.

The Figure says for the gathered Dark Friends to rise again, this time with the force of a Command. The Figure introduces himself as Ba’alzamon. Ba’alzamon begins giving out commands for the Dark Friends to follow, creating images in the air of 3 boys.

A dark haired farmboy with the look of mischief in his eyes
A wide shouldered muscled boy with curly hair and yellow eyes and a battle axe
A tall red haired blue eye boy with a Heron Marked Sword

Ba’alzamon announces that one of the boys is the One who will be “The Dragon Reborn” and says that all 3 must be brought to serve the Shadow or Eliminated.

Then Ba’alzamon begins to appear to Darkfriends individually, giving them orders that Bors can not hear. Eventually he appears to Bors and gives Bors the order to “Continue his great work in Tarabon” and to “To have his followers watch for the 3 boys” and a set of orders that make no sense to Bors.

Then images begin to flood Bors mind

A woman in white
A raven
A man in insectoid armor
A Golden Horn
A wolf leaping at him

Even more images flood his mind, enough that his mind can’t comprehend him and even as he recovers from the onslaught the images begin to fade from his memory until he can’t even remember that he was thinking about them just a few moments ago.

By the time that Bors gathers his thoughts together properly and returns his attention to the images of the 3 farmboys, the Blacksmith, the Swordsman and the Trickster and tries to puzzle out his orders based on what he knows.

Before he knows it a blank eyed servant is at his side and is trying to get his attention, as the meeting has ended and takes The Man called Bors to a private room where Bors can change into the clothing he wears in the World of Man.

A pure white cloak with a sunburst of light emblazoned on it, a red crook behind the symbol of the Children of the Light.

Commentary

Oh hey Rand didn’t kill Ba’alzamon at the end of the last book.

It is funny that we get so many Dark Friends foreshadowed in this book and we never get full confirmation about who any of them are except in outside sources and for that we only actually get 2 of them and a bunch of these people just straight don’t show up.

Like the Seafolk and the Tinker Dark Friend just end up not mattering which is a shame imagine if we got that Dark Friend Tinker somewhere in the plot, I went to the wiki to see if we got any confirmation about who might be who in this meeting but it's just the two I already knew that we find out in this book.

I did learn that apparently the Myrdraal in this chapter is a prototype of a very specific Myrdraal we meet later on in the series which is really weird. There doesn’t seem to be anything noteworthy about the Myrdraal in this chapter but I guess he is important.

We have another kind of weird set of circumstances in terms of where this is taking place, It is in the Shadow of Shayol Ghul but it is implied that Bors and co are going to be traveling in some way which is always stated as a really bad idea near The Dark One’s Bore. Later on we get a POV from Forsaken that mentions even holding the power near the pit of doom is potentially deadly.

I can see this taking place in the World of Dreams, but It feels like a few too many people for Ba’alzamon to bring into a dream physically just for a meeting unless Bors and Co just awaken later thinking that they traveled.

Chapter 1: The Flame of Tar Valon

Summary

A wind rises from Mount Dhoom and heads southwards from The Blight to Fal Dara, caressing the rooftops of the fortress city it climbs up one of the many Towers where two men practice swordsmanship.

Rand and Lan train with practice swords, Rand very obviously outmatched by Lan’s decades of experience with a sword. As he tries to avoid Lan’s attacks the Wind coalesces around Rand and seems to actively push him towards Lan’s thrust. The practice sword bends and shatters as the wind continues to push Rand into the spiked edges of the broken practice sword, putting a gash in his chest.

The Wind dissipates and Rand falls backwards, Lan begins to berate Rand for pulling a stupid stunt until Rand explains that it was the wind. Lan seems bothered for a moment but brushes the event off as “Something that happens near the Blight, especially to people like Rand.”

The two talk for a few minutes about why Rand hasn’t left Fal Dara, why Rand wants to learn swordsmanship and the nature of Rand’s relationship to his adopted father Tam Al’thor. Lan also explains that both his and Rand’s sword were forged using the One Power during the age of Legends.

The conversation moves onto Egwene and Moraine, and why Moraine doesn’t seem to walk to talk to Rand has gotten what she wanted out of Rand and is now done with him.

They are interrupted by a procession approaching Fal Dara, The Flame of Tar Valon on the banner that flaps in the wind, as well as Ingtar the Sheinaran Lord apparently having encountered the Amyrlin Seat’s procession as he was out hunting.

Lan assumes that The Aes Sedai are there for Rand and announces that Rand’s training is over and goes into the Keep. Rand gathers his belongings and heads into the keep to attempt to escape from the Aes Sedai, because the only thing they could possibly want in Fal Dara is to do the thing that Aes Sedai do with all men who Channel, cut them off from the True Source.

Rand begins to run down the stairs.

Commentary

Passable first chapter, not much to really comment about aside from the wind likely being a pseudo bubble of evil. Also..Rand and Lan just sit there and yak as Rand is bleeding from having his chest scratched up.

Like Rand is straight up bleeding, he touches the wound and looks at the blood on his hand and then they just ignore it afterwards.

We learn about the Origin of the Heron marking, which were power forged swords originally made for Generals, presumably most of the Generals in the War of power were probably Aes Sedai. So we have Aes Sedai making specially marked swords for themselves.

I wonder if Tam/Rand’s sword might be The Sword Lews Therin used when he was a general. When we found out about the Aiel war and more of Tam’s backstory I assumed that Tam’s sword was King Lamon’s. Tam becoming a blademaster and obtaining his Heron mark by ending the Aiel war by slaying Lamon in a duel would have fit the “I paid too much” attitude he had about it.

I am curious to exactly what Moraine was doing when she vanished on Rand, and what she was doing for the past few weeks in general. You would think she would want Rand in Tar Valon as soon as they got done in the Eye.

Also for those who listen to the audiobook, does anyone else find Kramer's reading of the Title Chapter a little too enthusiastic?

Chapter 2: The Welcome

Summary

The Servants in Fal Dara’s keep are in a panic as Rand goes through the halls, the unexpected appearance of The Amyrlin Seat. He goes to his rooms to find that the Servants are taking his clothing to be disposed of and that Moraine had commissioned clothing to be made for him, very fine woolen coats and shirts and pants. Clothing that is finer than anything he had ever really worn, including the symbol of The Dragon embroidered on the left breast of the cloaks she included.

He packs his new clothing up, using the fancy cloak as an extra pack he begins to try and leave the city before the Amyrlin calls for him. While he crosses the courtyard he sees The Amyrlin being welcomed by Lord Agelmar and Ronan

Rand stops to watch Ronan (Agelmar’s servant), Agelmar, Siuan Seanche (The Amyrlin Seat) and Leane (the Amyrlin’s secretary) perform the welcoming ritual. He goes to the Stables and attempts to get the horse that Basil Gil gave him, but the Lead Stableman says that an order has come down that nobody is to leave the keep.

Rand goes off to find another exit.

Commentary.

Rand running around like a dope with his chest still bleeding amuses me immensely because there is no way that a gash on his chest stopped bleeding yet.

Of course that becomes even funnier when we get the description of the shirts he was given. “White enough for a Two River’s Goodwife on Laundry day” which he instantly ruins by putting it on.

If it seems I am focused on the fact that Rand is bleeding it’s because I think it is really funny that Jordan just ignores it after the initial happening, it doesn’t affect anything majorly though so I don’t really count it as something to criticize really.
 
For clarity, this is my favorite book in the series. Season 2 of the show caused me a great deal of emotional torture because it completely shat on my favorite book of my favorite book series. There are characters that we are going to discuss that I am going to have some things in spoilers for because if someone wants to read along for the first time there is a pair of plot twists that I try not to ruin because I think they are 2 of the best twists in all of fiction.
Book 2 is my favourite as well. Jordan really opens his writing and starts adding more POVs. Taking the cast to wildly different areas and opening up the world. Where the first book was a trip through Andor. We really get to see our first glimpses of most of the world.

It really is sad what the show did to the novels and the story. We really will never get another adaptation chance for the series. I think if they had done the first few books right, it would have been something special.
 
I wonder if Tam/Rand’s sword might be The Sword Lews Therin used when he was a general. When we found out about the Aiel war and more of Tam’s backstory I assumed that Tam’s sword was King Lamon’s. Tam becoming a blademaster and obtaining his Heron mark by ending the Aiel war by slaying Lamon in a duel would have fit the “I paid too much” attitude he had about it.
I always took Tam at his word in that when you're in war you're going to lose close friends you serve with and then there's the separate cost of having to kill strangers and live with that.
 
Book 2 is my favourite as well. Jordan really opens his writing and starts adding more POVs. Taking the cast to wildly different areas and opening up the world. Where the first book was a trip through Andor. We really get to see our first glimpses of most of the world.
Yeah it is a good progression from book 1, the Two Rivers folk start to be proactive in this book after spending alot of book 1 being lead around by the nose.

I always took Tam at his word in that when you're in war you're going to lose close friends you serve with and then there's the separate cost of having to kill strangers and live with that.
Oh no doubt, but with what we learn of how the title of blademaster is obtained, I always kind of assumed that Tam killed Laman and that is how he became a blademaster proper and got to keep Laman's sword. I always took his comments as being a very personal set of events rather than the normal "War is hell" commentary.

Of course He still could have killed Laman, but just didn't earn his Heron mark by doing it.

Anyways

Chapter 3: Friends and Enemies

Rand attempts to go out of The Keep through a side Gate but is rebuffed by the guards there, he continues to wander The Keep until he encounters his friend Loial, Mat and Perrin playing dice with some of the common folk.

His desire to leave comes out with Mat actively defending Moraine, saying that “She hasn’t hurt us” but they instantly decide to help him and come with him to find a way out of the keep. Rand rebuffs them as rudely as he can, fearing that he would hurt them if he can not keep himself from channeling the power and being driven insane by the taint.

Rand continues on trying to find a place to hide from the Aes Sedai when they began to search for them and runs into Egwene, who guessed what he would be up to and was looking for him. She suggests that Rand hide in the keep’s prison area where Padan Fain is being held and takes him there.

Upon sensing that Rand has entered the Prison room Padan Fain immediately begins to rant and Egwene realizes that this was a bad idea and takes Rand out of the Prison to hide him somewhere else as Fain laughs from the darkness of his cell.

Commentary.

Egwene just straight up sitting her ass on Rand after causing him to do an Anime Style Prat fall will never not be funny as hell mental image to me.

Taking Rand to Padan Fain has to be on the Mt. Rushmore of terrible ideas that someone has come up with in this series. It is not the absolute worst but it is probably the runner up as I can’t really think of to many that compete with it.

We don’t quite know what is going on fully with Fain yet, but I wonder if Rand beating up on Ba’alzamon a bit is part of what allowed Fain to do what he does later on in the book.

Chapter 4: Summoned

Moraine prepares for the meeting with The Amyrlin Seat that she knows will happen, including wearing her Great Serpent Ring and the Blue Shawl with the White Flame of Tar Valon on it, signifying that she is a member of the Blue Ajah.

A knock raps on the door and Moraine goes to receive the summons to her meeting. Anaiya Carel of the Blue Ajah, and Liandrin Guirale of the Red Ajah. As Moraine is taken to the Amyrlin the trio discuss current events, 3 more men have announced themselves as The Dragon, one of whom is a powerful channeler.

Along the way they encounter The sister of Agelmar Amalisa who Moraine and Anaiya greet almost like an Aes Sedai, they also talk about the issues that Queen Morgaise is having in Camelyn including some unrest over the long winter and that her daughter Elyane arriving in the White Tower, and mentioning a potential war on Toman Head between Arad Doman and Tarabon, and Moraine manages to catch Egwene leading Rand to a new hiding spot.

Eventually Moraine enters the Room that the Amyrlin has settled down, and notices that the golden chest containing the Horn of Valere has already been presented to The Amyrlin, and we are given Leane and Suian’s name’s properly.

Siuan catches Moraine up on the political happenings in The White Tower, with the Red Ajah gaining some political power and making an Alliance with their historical rivals the Green Ajah, including a discussion about how Siuan should not be allowed to leave the Tower.

Soon Siuan asks Leane to leave so that she can “Speak to Moraine in Private” aka “Yell at her”

Commentary

This chapter ends in a weird place.

Enter Siuan and her fish focused dialogue, which is kind of endearing. Kind of like Elyane’s hobby of learning swear words, it is amusing that the most powerful woman in the wetlands describes her political opponents posturing as

“There was yet another proposal, one that still smells like week-old fish on the jetty”

Agelmar throwing the Horn of Valere at Siuan as soon as he got the chance is funny, him being too tempted to use it is a nice touch. Fal Dara is right at the brunt of The Dark One’s attacks given how close they are to the Blight and Tarwin’s Gap.

Moraine admitting that “Even if we wanted to cut Rand off from the source the Pattern would push back against us” is a nice admission from Moraine that she at some point is going to have to accept she isn’t in charge, even if it takes a good long time to realize that she is already not in charge.

Also Moraine thinking “Egwene might be Amyrlin some day” is foreshadowing in the way that a brick to the face is subtle.

Chapter 5: The Shadow in Shienar

Summary

The pair begin to discuss the events of the first book, and why Moraine changed the plan of taking the one they were searching for, Siuan berating Moraine for taking the Ta’veren boys into The Blight where the Dark One’s power rules.

Siuan also has a few moments of doubt about what they are doing because letting a Male Channeler go without being gentled is an anathema to everything that they swore to do as Aes Sedai until Moraine does some subtle manipulation to anger Siuan enough to set her back on the path that they both chose 20 years ago and make some plans for the future but can not get to deep into the planning stages because if they spend too much time alone people may begin to suspect plotting.

Moraine leaves the meeting, and we check in on three side plots.

Far away at the border of Tarabon, Geofram Borhald leads an army of Children of the Light to a small out of the way town. He meets an Inquisitor of the Children of the Light and is given orders to root out Dark friends in the Towns and Villages on Toman Head.

Closer to our main characters, Liandrin meets with Amalisa Jagad and bullies her into helping Liandrin find the 3 Ta’veren..and have them secreted away to Tar Valon in utter secrecy, Liandrin uses the “Trick” she developed as a child to Amalisa more pliable.

While all this happens, Padan Fain waits in his cell until a guard enters, Fain is surprised by who has come to visit him and tells the person to hurry up and free him.

Commentary

Not much to discuss here, 3 minor scenes that are basically pure set up and to let us know that Liandrin is a fucking cuntbag, the Red Ajah is 2 for 2 on characters we have met and turned out to be bitches.

Better Dead then Red!

Also Fain has rejoined the game, I wonder if Ba’alzamon knows that Fain isn’t under his thumb anymore.
 
To the complete shock of everyone, the Wheel of Time vidya game is apparently now as dead as the TV show.
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Chapter 6: Dark Prophecy

Rand dreams of his home, Trollocs slamming against the door, Matt is alive but has the ruby hilted dagger piercing his chest, Perrin has torn his eyes out. The door begins to give way as Padan Fain sits on the floor and tells Rand “It is never over”

Then the door bursts open and two Red Ajah Aes Sedai enter..and bow before Ba’alzamon who enters behind them.

Rand startles awake, in Egwene’s apartment with Nyneave knitting in a chair, the pair talk a little bit about Egwene going to visit Fain again, this time with Perrin and Mat to protect her and that the Keep’s women folk are searching for something, which the men are complaining about because the men area apparently setting up a feast for Siuan.

The conversation continues for another few moments until Rand claims “Shai’tan is dead” as Nyneave berates him for using The Dark One’s proper name when the bells sound Alarm. Rand ignores Nyneave’s warning about being in the women’s apartments armed but he ignores her and goes out into the hallways to try and get to the keeps prison.

Where he runs into Aes Sedai trying to figure out what the Alarms are, Rand ignores them and pushes through the group...until he runs straight into the Amyrlin Seat. The pair meet eyes for a moment and Rand panics but he forces himself on until he runs into Trollocs, inside of the Keep of Fal Dara.

Rand draws his sword and attempts one of the sword forms that Lan taught him “Hummingbird Kisses the Honey Rose” and flubs the attack so that the Trollocs can easily evade. However Rand is saved by a group of Shienarans who attack the Trollocs.

Rand continues to the Prison until he comes to the end of a battle. Seven men vs a Myrddraal, with all Seven men dead. Rand does his best to prepare to fight the Fade but the Myrddraal’s gaze has him panicking. Before the Fade can kill Rand, Ingtar appears. He tells Rand to go to Egwene and that he will face the Myrddraal alone, Rand responds he will stay but Ingtar insists, saying

“What if Trollocs find her?”

So Rand retreats, going underground to arrive at the Prison. He bursts through the door and sees that the guards have been beheaded, their heads sitting on the table, the rest of their bodies in chunks that have been chewed on by Trollocs as well as a bunch of Blasphemous words written in the guards blood on the walls including a message directly to Rand.

“We will meet again on Toman Head, it is never over Al’thor”

Rand grabs some straw and begins to wipe away the blood on the door until a woman stops him. Liandrin demands to know what Rand has to do with this. Rand denies having anything to do with the dead guards but Liandrin does something to him to prevent him from moving and demands that he answer her question.

Rand does everything he can to keep from answering anything, pushing against the feel of icy needles driving into his brain. He uses his void exercise to help dull the pain and feels a warm light inside the void, Rand stretches towards it..knowing it is the only way to keel Liandrin from killing him.

Suddenly Moraine demands “What is going on here?” and Liandrin lets up on the attack. The Aes Sedai face off but Rand goes into the prison where the prisoners have been driven mad, one having hung himself using his belt and the other trying to dig his way through the wall with his bare hands.

After a moment of shock over the maddened prisoners Rand continues in, finding Mat and Egwene, unconscious on the floor and Padan Fain gone. Moraine examines the pair and finds that the Ruby Hilted Dagger is gone from Mat.

Ingtar leads some Shienarans in to clean up, Liandrin leaves and Moraine commands the clean up. Rand and Ingtar talk about what happened. Ingtar reveals that he could not kill the Fade that it kept escaping him, and that the raid managed to get into Agelmar’s strong room and that the Dark friends managed to steal the Horn of Valere.

Commentary

Well that escalated quickly.

“Nyneave is wearing a fancy dress ZOMG!”

to

“Oh the very important plot item is stolen”

Ba’alzamon is a troll sometimes. “Oh Rand is having a Nightmare? Let me burst in with 2 Reds just to make it even more fucked up.

I also think this is the first real POV view of Jordan introducing the named “Sword Forms” which is honestly one of my favorite details that Jordan uses to do sword combat with, we never get full descriptions of what each form is but he maintains a consistent set of them while introducing a new one every book or so.

It is great theater of the mind to provide a structure for sword fights but give no descriptions so you can’t pick apart the actual fights because your mind provides all movement for the names, of course that doesn’t all matter might right now because Rand rolled a 1 on his attack roll and had to be bailed out and we get him running into a Fade right afterwards and being like “Oh shit I gained a couple of levels last book but I can’t solo a Miniboss yet”

Then Ingtar shows up and offers to take on the mini-boss that just killed seven guys and fights it to a draw well enough to make it run off, which puts him up with Lan in the badass list.

We see another minor hint that Liandrin has some sort of compulsion, which is a really good bit of red herringness for who released Fain, which is a spoiler that we will cover when we get there.

We also get more hints that Fain has some bad, bad juju going on because whatever he did in the prison make someone find a way to hang themselves.

Chapter 7: Blood Calls Blood

Mat has been healed of what happened to him in the Prison and he is taken to rest by Leane and some servants, while Siuan, Moraine and Verin Mathwin, a Grey Aes Sedai discuss Mat’s condition and the possibility of the stolen dagger corrupting those who come across it and how many people it might corrupt like it did Matrim.

They decide that Mat is the best person to carry the dagger as he is already warded against it’s taint, then Verin brings up some of the markings on the walls of the dungeon, most of it being blasphemy by the trollocs but a specific set of it was done in a far finer hand, possibly an educated Darkfriend.

Daughter of the Night, she walks again.
The ancient war, she yet fights.
Her new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die, yet serve still.

The man who channels stands alone.
He gives his friends for sacrifice.
Two roads before him, one to death beyond dying, one to life eternal.

Which will he choose? Which will he choose?
Luc came to the Mountains of Dhoom.
Isam waited in the high passes.

The hunt is now begun. The Shadow's hounds now course, and kill.
One did live, and one did die, but both are.
The Time of Change has come.

The Watchers wait on Toman's Head.
The seed of the Hammer burns the ancient tree.

Moraine asks Verin what it all means, and Verin brings up that Daughter of the Night is the translation of Lanfear, the most powerful female Forsaken, and former lover of Lews Therin Telemon before he met his wife.

Verin knows the name Luc, who was the brother of Tigraine Mantear, the vanished Queen of Andor whose disappearance caused the succession war that ended up with Morgaise the current queen on the throne.

She does not know Isam, but Moraine does know the name, Lan’s nephew who vanished after Malkier fell. Moraine keeps this to herself because if Lan found out he would likely try to find his last living relative.

Verin brings up the possibility that the rumored army on Tomon Head is the descendants of the sons that Artur Hawking sent across the ocean returning to reclaim the Hawkwing Empire, and “The Great Lord” refers to The Dark one..which Siuan interrupts at because they know who The Great Lord.

“The Man Who can channel is obviously one of the three Ta’veren that Moraine found.”

Of course Verin doesn’t consider what she said to be all that much of a big deal, she is only accusing Siuan and Moraine of blasphemy, and guesses that the Channeler is the Dragon Reborn because that is the only reason Siuan and Moraine would do something like that.

Verin is of course okay with all of this because what matters is learning, and that the prophecies must be followed. Siuan commands Verin to tell everything she knows and Verin begins a story that starts 20 years ago.

Meanwhile Perrin attempts to sneak into the sickroom where Mat is resting, having been caught by Leane before, using his extra strong sense of smell to know when the Aes Sedai is leaving by tracking the scent of her soap.

He checks in on Mat and before he can escape gets caught again by Leane who comments that Perrin is “pretty enough” to make her wish she were a green. Perrin comments that he did not disturb Mat’s sleep.

Leane delves him because of his eyes and finds that he is “as healthy as a wild animal” and then Perrin picks Leane up and moves her out of his way literally, before Leane can get over her outrage over being moved like a vase Perrin retreats to his room where Rand is trying to sleep while waiting for word on Egwene and Mat.

As Perrin comes in Rand sits up and tries to ask Perrin about how Mat is doing, but the two have another fight because Rand is still unwilling to travel with Perrin and Mat when they leave, after Perrin leaves Rand alone, Lan knocks on the door and enters calling Rand to a meeting with the Amyrlin Seat.

Lan forces Rand into proper attire for a meeting with Siuan, including giving Rand a golden cord with a Red Hawk enameled into gold to wear on his arm.

Commentary.

Hello Verin, who enters the story in the same way the Kool Aid Man enters a commercial, lots of Foreshadowing here except for the part that tells us outright that Lanfear is out walking around, I am sure that we won’t run into her in this book at all.

Verin’s subtle manipulation to get into Siuan and Moraine’s conspiracy is also pretty slick, she manages to be annoying enough to make Siuan mad before dropping her bomb on the pair of them, it’s a pretty good methodology, she appears to be completely oblivious, makes you mad with it to put you off balance then kicks you in the head.

Leane’s comments about the green have to be some sort of accidental foreshadowing given that later on she ends up switching to Green (I am not considering this a spoiler as it doesn’t actually matter to the plot)

Perrin and Rand’s scene is lame, the plot of Rand driving them away is understandable but I still hate it and am glad when it ends.

To the complete shock of everyone, the Wheel of Time vidya game is apparently now as dead as the TV show.
Yikes they were gonna make game? I don't even know how you would make a game out of Wheel of Time unless it is like an RPG of some sort.

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I completely forgot that Leah shit talked this book, I guess I am gonna have to pay attention to her commentary now because she is probably straight up wrong on things.

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Like here, Lan is not in this chapter and the next "Made of Awesome"

Lan is made of awesome in EVERY CHAPTER.
 
I have really enjoyed reading this thread for the past few days, thanks especially to Honka Honka Burning Love for sharing all the lore details.

I read the first ~ 10 books (all that had been released at that point) in a few weeks about 2 decades ago and haven't re-read or finished the series since then. So while I knew there were many things butchered by the show, the details were fuzzy and it didn't bother me massively while watching. Honestly, that was probably the best possible way to see it, remembering liking the story but not remembering how exactly it unfolds.

The show did get better by season 3, and I thought S3E4 in Tel'aran'rhiod was fantastic. It's the only episode I have re-watched, and it makes me sad that was the best it ever got.

I watched the show with someone who hadn't read the books at all and I had to explain what was happening far too often. Despite only half-remembering the books, there were a lot of things that I thought were stupid in the adaptation. The supposed mystery in season 1 about who is actually the Dragon reborn was so pointless, it was pretty obvious in the books from the very beginning and it doesn't add anything to the story in the show.

The cast, well, it wasn't all bad. I thought the race-swapping was a bad idea because there is canonically a lot of ethnic diversity in the world already. And I do think most of the actors were fine in their roles, they just didn't look like the characters. Aviendha is a prime example, she doesn't look Aiel, sorry, especially with the other Aiel characters. I didn't see anyone mention it, but the actor who played Perrin developed some kind of weird speech impediment and stopped enunciating his lines. I had to go back and turn on the subtitles to understand what he was saying in the last season.

I also liked seeing Tar Valon and all the Aes Sedai, but there were so many other weird changes like Perrin starting out married, Rand working at a mental hospital, Rand & Egwene, Rand & Lanfear, etc. that the show was a huge disappointment overall.

In any case, watching the show has made me want to re-read the books and actually finish the series this time, hopefully before Honka finishes his recaps.
 
I kind of meant one that is in line with the books where you play as the characters, the long long periods of no action kind of makes it weird to play as them.

Also from what I know of this game it is kind of weird..in that you play an Aes Sedai so weak in the power you couldn't really be an Aes Sedai.

The show did get better by season 3
I think season 3 was the best of the lot..but it was so divorced by the books by that time the books no longer mattered.

I wish I had a filter to let me do clown voice so that I could have done a live reaction to that scene because I legitimately called him making a hammer out of his cane as soon as I saw it and laughed my ass off when he actually did it, it was legitimately the funniest shit I have never seen.

The cast, well, it wasn't all bad. I thought the race-swapping was a bad idea because there is canonically a lot of ethnic diversity in the world already.
I don't care about it beyond being very obvious what they are doing, and it being kind of unneeded because there are cool black people later on, like The Seanchan are evil but Tuon is legitimately awesome a lot of the time she is around and her Romance with Mat is probably the best in the series.

hopefully before Honka finishes his recaps.
I am going to be here for a long long time, especially as the books and chapters get longer and more dense, I already have two other files of notes aside from the chapters themselves just for individual characters that I can't quite speak on because it is spoilers.

Chapter 8: The Dragon Reborn

Summary

Rand nervously follows Lan towards the Amyrlin Seat’s room, the Shienarans are all still on edge from the attack, men walking around the keep armed.

They pass by Ingtar who looks troubled, and then another Shienaran guard who looks at Rand and Lan and proclaims “Tai’Shar Malkier! Tai’Shar Manetheran” True Blood of Malkier, True blood of Manetheran”

They arrive at the Amyrlin’s apartment and are met by Leane who Rand impresses slightly by maintaining a clam demeanor while following Lan’s instructions, as Rand enters Lan whispers to Rand “Tai’Shar Manetheran”

Within the room Moraine, Verin and Siuan sit, Rand gives the traditional Warder greeting to the Amyrlin, kneeling like he had learned to do in his meeting with Queen Morgaise. He refuses his seat also in the traditional Warder way, which seems to outright annoy Siuan.

They discuss Rand’s sword being a Heron Marked Blade, and Moraine explains that Tam Al’thor left the Two Rivers and rose to become a Blademaster in the Army of Illian, Siuan questions if the sword is real and tells Verin to take it for testing, to which Rand responds “My father gave me this sword, nobody is taking it away.”

Siuan is impressed that Rand has enough fire in him to stand up to Aes Sedai, and Rand’s response makes Siuan groan a bit because it is something Lan would say.

“Lan has been at you”

Siuan explains that Ingtar and Mat are going to search for the dagger and that Rand can go with them if he pleases, to which Rand says yes, then Siuan kicks Rand in the face.

“With that taken care of lets get down to business, I know you can Channel boy”

Rand panics a bit saying that he does not want to Channel, but Siuan says he can’t help it and he better learn to, and that the knowledge of Rand being a Channeler is not going to leave this room because Rand is the Dragon Reborn.

Rand rebuffs Siuan saying that he will not “Be a tame False Dragon on a Tar Valon leash” to which Siuan responds by having Moraine tell of the night that Rand was born.

In Tar Valon, as the Aiel War ended Siuan and Moraine, just “Accepted” students in the White Tower at the time were attending the Amyrlin Seat at that time. The Amyrlin’s keeper Gitara Moroso at the time suddenly stood up and proclaimed “He is Born again, I feel him. The Dragon takes his first breath on the slope of Dragonmount”

Rand’s memories of Tam’s ranting in the west wood during winter night intrude as he listens to the story.

Moraine tells of having to pour over the prophecy and connect the dots from one rumor “A man who found a baby after a battle” taking each clue until she found 3 Ta’veren in the Two Rivers..where the Old Blood of Manetheran is still strong and pure.

“He will be of the Ancient blood, Raised by the Old blood” an Aiel a people who have lasted since the Breaking of the World, and raised by the blood of Manetheran which was almost stamped out a thousand years ago

Rand continues to deny it but Siuan makes it clear that they believe he is the Dragon and he will be free to go help his friends find the dagger, but that he needs to be careful because not everyone believes the prophecies of the dragon and will try to gentile him or kill him if they find out.

Rand asks to leave and exits when given permission.

We switch to Moraine’s POV as Rand leaves.

The Three have a short conversation about the meeting, indicating that after Rand defeats the Dark One and wins the Last Battle they will gentile him.

Meanwhile Nyneave looks for Rand in the hallways of the keep, having heard that Rand had a meeting with the Amyrlin, her weather sense is telling her that a Storm is coming..however there is nothing indicating bad weather, however instead of finding Rand..she runs into Lan.

Lan notices her and the pair talk for a few moments, Lan giving Nyneave a heavy ring with a Golden Crane on it

“If you ever need shelter in the borderlands show this ring and they will give it to you, show it to a warder and they will take a message to me, send it to me and I will find you”

Lan walks off and Moraine appears behind Nyneave saying that “She only heard what she needed to” Moraine goes off and Nyneave seethes to herself and returns to her and Egwene’s apartments.

Egwene and Nyneave speak about going to the tower, until one of the maids enters and says that “Lord Rand” is causing an uproar by attempting to enter the Women’s apartments, Egwene is taken to Rand who is getting a talking to by Agelmar and some other Shienaran soldiers.

She takes Rand off to talk in private, and the pair say goodbye because Egwene is going to the Tower and Rand is going after the Horn so they will never..ever..ever see each other again.

Commentary

Verin apparently brought up the Idea of putting Rand off balance and then slapping him with the big news like she did to Siuan in the previous chapter.

Tam’s comments from the last book coming back to corroborate Moraine’s story about the end of the Aiel war is a good touch, basic storytelling but always fun to read because Rand’s doubts about where he came from are being applied from without and within simultaneously, which is important for later bits.

Make note of the name Gitara Moroso, it is a minor name but her foretelling ability comes up again as something that sets plots in motion, for a character that never really appears on screen she has an inordinate amount of effect on the story.

Also while going into the wiki to double check how many things she affected I found this.

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BAD WIKI DO NOT CALL THE 300 OLD GRANDMA LADY HOT!

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Now I imagine Padan Fain as Nelson for the rest of this re-read appearing out of the ways and saying "HA-HA" at Rand every time something bad happens.

I forgot how the early part of this book had so many end of chapter POV hops to minor events, I am not saying it is a bad thing..and I do remember all of the events but it is just weird that we end the chapter with Rand finding out “Hey dipshit you are the Savior” with random Nyneave and Egwene POVs.

Chapter 9: Leavetakings.

Summary

The Courtyard is in chaos again as Ingtar and his 20 Lances (the Shienaran army typically uses Calvary with Lances) prepare to leave, as well as Siuan and her procession prepare to leave soon after Ingtar departs, as well as Loial who is apparently joining the mission.

Rand apologizes to Loial for his earlier actions, and attempts to apologize to Perrin and Mat who ignore him, then Lan appears to speak with Rand.

Lan explains to Rand about a sword technique called “Sheething the Sword” where you allow an enemy to hit you in order to be able to strike back at them, a sacrificial play in order achieve a goal that is more important to you than your own life.

Siuan comes out into the courtyard and Rand looks over to her then looks back to Lan who is already gone, Loial returns and comments on how good Lan is at vanishing.

Siuan comes over and blesses Ingtar and his group, telling them the importance of their mission because the Heroes of the Horn are not bound by the Light and will fight for the Shadow if a Darkfriend blows the Horn.

Rand feels someone watching him and begins to look around, shifting his body just as a crossbow bolt flies by him, his movement having saved his life, the Bolt grazes the Amyrlin and hits a civilian behind her.

Agelmar demands that the assassin be found, Siuan is unphased by the assassination attempt..it being a fairly common event for her when out in public, wanting Ingtar’s group to not be delayed because each moment of delay means that Fain’s group is further away.

Ingtar commands his squad onwards and they exit the keep, along the roads of Fal Dara an extra member joins the group. Hurin a “Sniffer” who somehow has gained the ability to smell violence the worse the violence the more pungent the smell and the longer it lasts.

Trollocs and Myrddraal are violent enough that their stench takes a long time to fade so Hurin is the perfect sort to be able to track Fain’s group. However he mentions something that smells even “worse” than the Myrddraal with the group.

Far to the south, Bayle Domon captain of the Spray walks around the City of Illian at night, on his way to an Inn called “Easing the Badger” for a meeting with a prospective client.

The meeting goes as he expects, he is asked to go to Mayene to transport someone from Mayene to Illian, being given a large sack of gold to do so. Bayle has had 3 similar offers all of which seem like traps.

He takes the gold, saying that he will leave in the morning and once the 3 are gone he opens it, noticing that the gold is all from Tar Valon obviously to make it seem like he is working for Aes Sedai. Bayle’s second in command enters and tells him that another one of his crew is dead and that the second in command’s room has been broken into and robbed..though they left the silver belt buckle with gems in it that was sitting out.

Bayle orders the Second in command to gather the crew and that they are leaving ASAP..going west instead of east to Mayene.

As the crew is brought on board and prepares to leave Bayle goes to his cabin and breaks open the letter that he was given.

“The Holder of this parchment is a Darkfriend, have him executed post haste, his belongings are forfeit to the one who finds this letter, except what will be taken by an envoy” signed by the King of Cairhein

Bayle opens his secret compartment trying to figure out why people are after him so personally but he has no idea. He puts everything back in the compartment, including a piece of Cuendillar..shaped in a disk half white and half black.

Commentary

The Plot has officially begun also Hurin joined the party, who has to have one of the worst superpowers in all of fiction. Imagine being able to smell violence and people who do it in a country that is perpetually at war with monsters who are made to do nothing but violence and will likely genocide each other if they run out of humans to kill.

Lan proves that he is the most badass Normal Human in the setting by performing Batman stunts without trying, also in Wheel of Time fandom “Sheething the Sword” is called “Ending the book” which is a funny accusation it is only ever used that way once, the other time the concept comes up it is like 2/3s into the book.

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We have another random jump to another POV at the end of the chapter, but this one is someone we haven’t seen in half a book. It’s Bayle! Random Ship captain is back..and he has what we now know are one of the Seals to the Dark One’s prison.

That explains the Trollocs chasing him..I wonder how many people were surprised he returned to the plot when this first came out, I remember being like “Oh its that guy..this is a weird thing to focus on” until we got to the bit with the Seal.

Also double checking my spelling on Mayene I found this

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Wheel of Time Wiki..why are you calling Grandma Aes Sedai Voluptuous but not one of the Hottest Women in the setting?
 
Also from what I know of this game it is kind of weird..in that you play an Aes Sedai so weak in the power you couldn't really be an Aes Sedai.
Sort of. You play as an Aes Sedai who has to rely on angreal to form anything more than basic weaves, but her actual power was mostly shielded by the Amyrlin, who sponsored her career and wanted her as a potential trump card against the Black Ajah.

It still plays fast and loose with the lore that was available at the time but it shows it more respect than the actual adaptation did.
 
but her actual power was mostly shielded by the Amyrlin
*tilts head* Uh..we have only ever seen the Forsaken pull shit like that.

her as a potential trump card against the Black Ajah.
Unless this took place centuries before the Books we got one of those already.

anyways

Chapter 10: The Hunt Begins

Summary

Ingtar’s Company (thanks for that one Grok) is guided south by Hurin’s ability to smell violence, which surprises Ingtar because it would be sensible to go into the Blight where the Darkfriends and Shadowspawn would have the advantage.

Ingtar himself sets a pretty heavy pace something that is going to quickly tire out the horses if kept up, Rand attempts to make amends with Perrin and Mat but the pair actively avoid talking to him, Uno one of the most experienced veterans in Ingtar’s command finds tracks for Trollocs and Horses confirming they are on the right path.

Eventually Ingtar has the Company alternate riding and jogging alongside their horses to help preserves the horses stamina, Rand quickly becomes winded by the exercise however even wearing armor the Shienaran Lancers seem like they are not even sweating.

Twilight falls and Ingtar calls to make camp, Rand gets his dinner and sits with Ingtar, Perrin, Mat and Loial. He asks why Uno and Maesema two of Ingtar’s lancers seem to dislike him and gets told that Uno probably just wonders if Rand is worthy of the Heron mark but Uno is that way with everyone, and that if you ignore that he has a “tongue like a file” meaning he swears every other word and follow his advice he will come around to like you.

Maesema is a different, he was stationed in the east near the Aiel waste and after fighting them for years hates them and Rand looks just like one. This changes discussion to the Aiel and we are reminded of the Aiel oath.

“Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit into Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day.”

Ingtar explains that is how long the Aiel will fight, and that to the Aiel there are only two groups of people. Aiel and Enemies, and that he wishes his soldiers were as hard as the Aiel, which makes Mat exclaim about how tough the Shienarans are given that they jogged half the day in full armor.

Ingtar responds

“Aiel are Hard, Man and Woman hard, I fought them and I know, they will run 50 miles then fight a battle at the end of it, the are death walking with any weapon or none, if you have a sword and they are unarmed it is an even fight..if you are good. They heard cattle and goats in a place where you would die of thirst in a day, they dig their homes into rock spires deep in the waste, they been there since the breaking. Artur Hawking fought them and was bloodied, the only major loses he had. In the waste the air shimmers by day and freezes by night and an Aiel will tell you there is no place they would rather be. If they ever tried to come out we would he hard pressed to stop them, the Aiel War was 3 years long and was four of the thirteen clans”

The next morning The Company continues south, following the scent until the scouts find Fain’s camp, its not particularly different from a normal one but Hurin smells that violence had been done and Ingtar assumes that one of the Dark friends was butchered for Trolloc food, and that the trail has changed direction to North.

However an hour later the trail goes back south, and they find a dead body, this pattern continues for several days until they arrive at the river Erinin, the border of Shienar, they follow the tracks to a Village that seems to be abandoned, but Perrin and Hurin both smell something wrong there.

Loial says the villagers were taken by the Trollocs, and Ingtar orders two men to go get the ferry from across the river, two of the soldiers do so but are severely shaken when they come back, having seen something that they can’t even bear to describe.

Ingtar, Perrin, Mat, Rand, Loial and some of the Lancers go across, and find the two guards that Rand had met when he and Egwene visited Fain, who everyone assumed were dark friends because they vanished the night that Fain escaped, it was a logical conclusion given that they were gone and someone had to let the Shadowspawn into the keep.

Ingtar orders the men taken down and buried, and even says the traditional Shienaran burial prayer

“May you rest in the palm of the Creator’s hand, and may the last embrace of the mother welcome you home.”

He looks at his Soldiers and defends giving them a proper burial “They saved Lord Agelmar at Tarwin’s gap”

The Company continues on into what is effectively pure wilderness where even the monument to Artur Hawkwing sending an army of Shadowspawn packing has fallen, they pass by what used to be a keep and a discussion about the Nation that used to be here begins, with Loial explaining

“They could not hold together, Crops failed, Trade failed, Something failed in each case and the Nation dwindled, once neighboring countries absorbed the land but those annexations failed, and in time the land became abandoned.”

then Ingtar chimes in

“And what is not gone is fading, everything everywhere fading, there is hardly a nation that controls what it claims on a map, and most nations don’t even claim what they did a hundred years ago. After the War of the Hundred years you could ride from one nation into another from the Blight to the Sea of Storms..now we ride through wilderness almost the entire way. We in the Borderlands have our battle with the Blight to keep us strong and whole. You say they failed Builder (Loial) yes they did fail..and what nation standing whole today will fail tomorrow.

We are being swept away Humankind like floatsam in the flood, how long until there is nothing left except The Borderlands? How long after that until the Borderlands fall and there is nothing but Myrddraal and Trollocs the entire land.”

The Group continues on in silence, Ingtar’s mood staying sour until they come to another village that seems abandoned, and begin to explore it.

Rand enters a door and finds himself trapped, watching the family that lived in that house begin to have dinner until something attacks the village over and over again. He begins to feel cold as if he is freezing to death and feels flies covering his body.

He embraces the void and reaches out to the flickering light of warmth like he did with Liandrin, the warmth fills him makes him warm..makes him hot and then he feels something cutting. He breaks out of the repeated visions..wondering what just happened to him however before he can really think about it too much the scouts call that they found something in the center of town.

A figure with it’s hands and eyes spiked into the door of what is presumably the town’s meeting center, at least the figure would have it’s eyes spiked if it had any. Something lifted a Myrddraal off the ground physically and hammered iron spikes into it’s hands and eyes like a Trolloc would do to a human.

The entire Company is disturbed by this, few things even in the Blight can really match a Myrddraal in combat much less dominate one to the point of being able to torture it alive. Even Ingtar has no idea how this could have happened. He orders Hurin to find the trail and get them out of the village.

Commentary

And here is where the book starts to cook. I like the early chapters but this is when the book starts to become my favorite.

We meet officially Uno who is the best..Support to the Supporting cast? What do you describe a guy who shows up like once every 3 books and does nothing but swear every other word? Who cares he is Uno and he swears a lot and its funny.

There is so much implied to us in this chapter too, We see that the Shienaran are kind of badass when they make Rand feel like a loser when running with the horses and then Ingtar tells us “Oh you think we are bad motherfuckers? You should see the Aiel they impress the shit out of me and all those Aiel War discussions? Yeah that was like a third of them and they fucking buck broke us”

I dunno why but the Flayed Guards still creep me out here despite, it is amazing how keeping things like flaying random NPCs rare keeps it creepy when in other stories that won’t get finished because they are written by lazy fat communists I don’t find it creepy at all. Of course Perrin, Hurin and the Shienaran soldiers selling it as “This shit is fucked” helps a lot.

I love the definitive feel that Humanity is on the decline in a serious way. The description of Nations just vanishing is almost hard to imagine. Like imagine if Ohio just..stopped being a state because it did not have enough people in it to maintain statehood. (Well obviously SEAN! would become a Warlord and attempt to turn Ohio into Clydetopia but imagine Clydetopia failing because of a lack of population)

Then we see that something fucked up a Fade, which at this point in the series has been solely the domain of Lan and he just won a duel with it, we have something that thus far has required an Aes Sedai to pull off. A fade is still threatening at this point and they never really stop being threatening but there is something bigger around which is great escalation.

Chapter 11 Glimmers of the Pattern

That night Ingtar comes to Rand and gives him a bundle and tells him “Lord Agelmar ordered me to give this to you when we crossed the river Moraine-Sedai said it may save your life, and to tell you that you are second in command.” Rand exclaims that Uno is obviously the second in command but Ingtar insists it is Rand, and that the entire Company knows that Rand is second in command.

In the Shienaran military when they go out every single man knows the full chain of command and that if the commander falls who is the next one in line, down to the very last man. That way even if the army is wiped out to the last man..he is not the last man of a broken force. He has the Command, the Duty to complete the mission is his.

Rand takes the bundle out somewhere secret and opens it, revealing the Banner of the Dragon. Rand is stunned and considers burying it or throwing it into the fire if he can do it secretly but Ingtar telling him “Moraine says this may save your life” stops him.

Mat and Perrin appear out of the woods and exclaim that Rand has a banner before looking too close, Mat yelps when he realizes what banner it is as they were there when Moraine named it as The Dragon’s Banner.

Rand snaps at them, saying that “Moraine wants to use me as a false dragon” which makes Perrin come to the conclusion that Rand can channel.

Rand admits it and Mat freaks out, wondering why Rand hasn’t vanished yet and Rand explains that he thought that he could help find the Dagger. Perrin says he would run, but also consider that maybe Rand can’t run.

Rand returns to camp, Loial is examining a large rock that the Ogier thinks is unnatural, Hurin is listening to Loial’s theorycrafting and soon the trio heads to bed, Rand feeling the light of Saidin in his mind as he goes to bed.

To the south Padan Fain sits in his camp, Humans and Trollocs cowering in fear of him and the sounds of the villagers that were taken by the Trollocs whimpering, he scolds himself for allowing the Trollocs to kidnap so many while he killed the Myrddraal.

He orders The Trollocs to butcher all the villagers and eat their fill..but to make sure the skulls are intact, to pile them up as a present for the people following them.

Commentary

Thank god that subplot is taken care of, I do not mind the “Rand tries to drive Mat and Perrin away” plot but it being done so quickly helps me not mind it.

Ingtar gets to be a cool big brother here and be like “Rand..you got this fam.” and without Lan or Tam around Rand needs some dude energy to keep him grounded.

We learn quite a bit more about Fain’s status here. We get full confirmation that he has broken from his Oaths to the Dark, and had a really bad time in Shadar Logath, though I thought they confirmed the last bit that happened there here.

The River Village being abandoned before is strange, I did not cover it in the summary but Uno sees Lanfear there and at the other Village, she presumably is the one who set up the illusion trap for Rand. I wonder if Lanfear were going to do that trap earlier and Lanfear’d all over them.
 
Unless this took place centuries before the Books we got one of those already.
It did.

The game was also made pretty early into the series lifetime (like book three or four) so they also had Mordeth possess another of Baalzamon's hounds to be a surprise endgame boss. How he wound back up in Shadar Logoth centuries later is never explained.
 
It did.

The game was also made pretty early into the series lifetime (like book three or four) so they also had Mordeth possess another of Baalzamon's hounds to be a surprise endgame boss. How he wound back up in Shadar Logoth centuries later is never explained.
Given that Mordeth and Mashadar are implied to be the same thing he might just be able to possess someone without losing his form, there could have been a Mordeth in Shadar Logath later on in the books that we just didn't see because we were too focused on the other stuff that was happening.
 
I also liked the naming of the sword forms because you could get a general idea of what he was doing. Hummingbird Kisses the Honeyrose is a stabbing motion, River Undercut the Banks a slash, Boar Rushes Down the Mountain a series of overhead strikes, etc.
 
I think my favorite memory of the books was the revelation Lews Therin and Rand had on Dragonmount, that if he was Reborn then so too could Ilyena be reborn. I'm also grateful that Robert Jordan (and by extension Sanderson) didn't reveal Ilyena Reborn. It's a shame that we won't have the visual adaptation we deserve. At least Earthsea had the Ghibli movie to balance out the horrendous Wizard of Earthsea adaptation.
 
I think my favorite memory of the books was the revelation Lews Therin and Rand had on Dragonmount, that if he was Reborn then so too could Ilyena be reborn. I'm also grateful that Robert Jordan (and by extension Sanderson) didn't reveal Ilyena Reborn. It's a shame that we won't have the visual adaptation we deserve. At least Earthsea had the Ghibli movie to balance out the horrendous Wizard of Earthsea adaptation.
That was a great moment. Damn shame Sanderson can't write Mat worth a shit.
 
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