When did Christians drop creationism?

[Joe Swanson]

Having grown up in a Jewish family the problems with the 7 days of creation and the age of the earth were reconciled as the 7 days being symbolic and Adam and Eve being in the garden of Eden for a longer time then is typically thought of

 

[mindlessobserver]

I knew a handful. One of them was my biology teacher in high school. There were plenty of people in my own town who took the Bible 100% literally and they never shut up about it.

Which is a major problem with Protestantism, and American Evangelicals in particular. The idea that "Anyone" can read the bible and interpret scripture authoritatively meets our modern liberal sensibilities. The proliferation of heresies like the Mormon "church" and Jehovah's witnesses, too outright apostasies like the Episcopal and United Methodist Church definitively leads to the conclusion that both the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox are correct in their belief that scripture must be taught authoritatively by rigorously trained clergy under a hierarchy.

 

[seri0us]

"Where is the missing link?"

Didn't the "humans out of Africa" theory originate from trying to answer this

 

[Bothriolepis]

The Catholic Church officially took the stance that evolution is more than a theory in 1996, so then, officially.

The RCC's current position, that evolution is a scientific question not in conflict with orthodox Christian theology, really hasn't changed much since at least 1950 when the Papal encyclical Humani Generis was released. Pope John Paul II was giving his opinion on the topic, not establishing new doctrine. Catholics can be Creationists, although Traditionalists who choose Creationism when they're allowed to accept evolution seem to love getting into pointlessly heated arguments with other Catholics and all but accusing them of being theological Modernists, which they're explicitly  not supposed to do.

Outside of RadTrads, Creationism is mostly an Evangelical Protestant thing. Living in the Southeastern US, though, it's definitely not a thing they've given up on. High profile figures don't talk about it a lot, but it's mostly because groups like Answers in Genesis have become an embarrassment. If they manage to get the SCOTUS to allow it, they'll either quietly remove natural selection from school curriculums under the justification that it should be up to parents to teach something that closely tied to their religious beliefs (knowing that most of them won't do it and very few can teach it well enough to make it seem more plausible than Creationism, even if they want to), or insert intelligent design and pretend that the two have equal evidence.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Like the flat earthers of today, at the time it was signal boosted beyond all reason by the proto reddit atheists looking for someone to dunk on. It was mostly confined to rural preachers with small denominations in the Evangelical circle. The kind of guys who preach in the woods to meth heads. That was the YEC types. The OEC are your typical, universe was created billions of years, we evolve and grow as part of some divine ineffable plan.

You would see the OEC people on tv, but people would confuse them with the YEC.

 

[BradeRunna]

I think it's still around. I always found it odd that both sides used Dinosaurs to try and win children over. Then you have the real crazies that say shit like dinosaurs never existed and were placed in the ground by Satan to test our faith.

The problem with what is going on today with religion and science is that people aren't that smart anymore. In the past people were what they called enlightened. That isn't the case these days. Everyone thinks it has to be one way or another.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

Well when I was in school, had a science teacher that believed both. Evolution and creationism.

"He made the world in 7 days, but you don't know how long 7 days for a god is."

Didn't explain much more beyond that.

 

[Bothriolepis]

The OEC are your typical, universe was created billions of years, we evolve and grow as part of some divine ineffable plan.

As an Ex-Fundie, OEC usually refers to people who accept that the Universe is extremely old, but deny at least some parts of the theory of evolution by natural selection (sometimes all of it, sometimes just human descent from other apes). They're relatively rare, and are usually educated members the larger Conservative Evangelical denominations, like the Southern Baptist Convention.

Theistic Evolution/Evolutionary Creationism, on the other hand, is the school of thought that accepts universal common descent, although people who use the EC label do sometimes consider themselves to be a subtype of Old-Earth Creationist. It's significantly more common in the general Christian population (since the evidence for universal common descent is at least as strong as the evidence for Deep Time; both are incredibly well-supported), but much rarer among Conservative Evangelicals, who typically have a more Literalist approach to Scripture than even other Conservative branches like Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

Which is a major problem with Protestantism, and American Evangelicals in particular. The idea that "Anyone" can read the bible and interpret scripture authoritatively meets our modern liberal sensibilities. The proliferation of heresies like the Mormon "church" and Jehovah's witnesses, too outright apostasies like the Episcopal and United Methodist Church definitively leads to the conclusion that both the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox are correct in their belief that scripture must be taught authoritatively by rigorously trained clergy under a hierarchy.

This probably goes all the way back to the Puritans and the culture they brought to America. Religious fanaticism is America's true original sin, IMO.

 

[Senwosret III]

Catholic here. We always took the Big Bang as an accepted hypothesis, at least all the people I know who are religious. I think the further back you look into the first instants of creation, the more hard science struggles to explain what happened. Maybe God was either the spark that ignited the initial expansion, or the architect that built the primordial egg. As far as we know, who's to say?

I think someone in the thread mentioned that some of the scientists that tried to study this field of physics were deeply religious. Is there some point in researching it that you finally notice the wonder, the perfection of this universe, leading you to believe in a divine architect? In any case, I've never met a YEC in person; it seems to be a purely American, and fundamentalist American Prot at that, issue. They probably are as annoying as the most rabid atheist you can come across in the street.

 

[Cucktry Roads]

I've always believed in creative design. I remember when I started finding religion a decade ago and saw this 4chan post explaining a lot of stuff through scientific terms, such as if god is at the center of the universe or is light itself, time is different for god than it is for us, so 7 days our time could be billions of years in light years.

But to answer your question, it's a couple things

1)Evolution science becoming more taught

2)Religion being on the downturn.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

They probably are as annoying as the most rabid atheist you can come across in the street.

They're the reason homeschooling is associated with insane people that don't want their kid learning about evolution. It doesn't help that a lot of the homeschool programs cater to these retards. I'd argue they're worse than euphorics because being associated with YEC is enough to poison any well. Euphoric atheists are just pecker gnats compared to that.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I never really got how the two were at odds
they _create_ the entire ad campaign up front (more or less), including the ones that say "in theaters summer `25" "in theaters july `25" "opening July 13th" "in theaters now"
and then they roll them out at the appropriate time, and it's so gradual it seems like it's some natural progressions

 

[David Brown]

Which is a major problem with Protestantism, and American Evangelicals in particular. The idea that "Anyone" can read the bible and interpret scripture authoritatively meets our modern liberal sensibilities. The proliferation of heresies like the Mormon "church" and Jehovah's witnesses, too outright apostasies like the Episcopal and United Methodist Church definitively leads to the conclusion that both the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox are correct in their belief that scripture must be taught authoritatively by rigorously trained clergy under a hierarchy.

Yes and the highest authority for the true religion should get on his hands and knees and suck nigger feet, which is the little known 11th commandment.