When did pop culture really go bad?

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The writer's strike came along and they went to reality shows and scriptless bullshit, because god forbid Hollywood jews have to pay people for their efforts. Blair Witch Project made Hollywood hope they could do shitty found footage stuff for $50K a movie and rake in millions, but it didn't work. Then they hoped CGI would make them money, but it didn't guaruntee money. THen Joss "Soylent Prime" Whedon and others like him added Tumblr snark instead of characterization.

Don't forget the "we're gonna be the next Harry Potter" trend in movies from the early 00s to like mid-10s where every shitty YA fantasy novel got an adaption. And then Hunger Games got popular so it was shitty YA dystopias that got movies. I'm amazed it took that long for the trend to burn out given how awful every one of those adaptions were.

But then consider those books mostly exist because publishers wanted the next Harry Potter (or the next Hunger Games) so grabbed anything they could to catch that success.

 

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I also want to add:

A lot of famous entertainers and actors had military service and saw action in foreign wars. Johnny Carson, Ed McMahon, Don Rickles, Christopher Lee, Lenny Bruce, Mel Brooks, Don Adams, Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, George C. Scott, Clint Eastwood, Alan Alda, James Garner, James Doohan, Donald Pleasance, Sir Alec Guinness, Telly Savalas, Ernest Borgnine, Charlton Heston, James Stewart, and Kirk Douglas were all vets. Often when playing roles or creating characters, they would use their real-life combat experience.

That's just movies/TV -- let's not forget music and literature. Hell, J.D. Salinger kept the manuscript for The Catcher in the Rye in his shirt pocket when he stormed the beaches of Normandy.

I'm aware that Millennials and Gen-X celebrities have served in the armed forces, but I can't think of any off the top of my head who saw real combat like those aforementioned people. At best all I can think of is Adam Driver who was a Marine, but had a non-combat role.

I think that's the problem most actors these days claim that Trump cause them trauma. Well actors from years ago actually felt with trauma from their actual experiences and used it for their performances.

Honestly even Adam Driver who had a none-combat role as a marine. If you notice he doesn't have social media and keeps to himself Personally.

Honestly every since Trump left. Cancel culture has become worse this year. It seems their finally coming after non-political celebs completely now. Before it was just Pratt, but now it seems that list has expanded to anyone who wasn't screaming about Trump all the time. I think that what ruins pop culture for me.
Recently we seen celebs become very political and just shit on people with different opinions.
The non-political ones are being targeted and I wouldn't be shocked if Adam Driver ends up on that list in the future.

 

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Don't forget the "we're gonna be the next Harry Potter" trend in movies from the early 00s to like mid-10s where every shitty YA fantasy novel got an adaption. And then Hunger Games got popular so it was shitty YA dystopias that got movies. I'm amazed it took that long for the trend to burn out given how awful every one of those adaptions were.

But then consider those books mostly exist because publishers wanted the next Harry Potter (or the next Hunger Games) so grabbed anything they could to catch that success.

Its such a flawed mindset too. Star Wars caused a similar thing in the 80s where there were a ton of space adventure knock offs desperately trying to replicate Star Wars' success.

But I've often found that trying to replicate the popular thing's success almost never works. Look at the MCU and DC movies today. The DC movies that try to replicate the MCU's shared universe concept are mostly awful. Movies like Joker which are stand alone and grittier, do really well.

Be different! Don't try chasing the tail of an animal that already got away from you. You didn't get Harry Potter or Star Wars or MCU...ok, try to find a new concept.

 

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Clint Eastwood

One minor detail: Clint was drafted in the army during the Korean War, but he never saw any action and only had a non-combat role. But still, that's more than the average Millennial celebrity nowadays.

 

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Its such a flawed mindset too. Star Wars caused a similar thing in the 80s where there were a ton of space adventure knock offs desperately trying to replicate Star Wars' success.

But I've often found that trying to replicate the popular thing's success almost never works. Look at the MCU and DC movies today. The DC movies that try to replicate the MCU's shared universe concept are mostly awful. Movies like Joker which are stand alone and grittier, do really well.

Be different! Don't try chasing the tail of an animal that already got away from you. You didn't get Harry Potter or Star Wars or MCU...ok, try to find a new concept.

the main problem is that copycats usually think all they need to do is copy what's popular and it will sell on that popularity alone, when there's a reason why something was popular in the first place. but the cheap knockoffs are usually forgotten fast in return.

it only got worse now with even the original stuff being shit, who in his right mind would wanna copy nu-wars?

that's why I somewhat dread the first non-woke thing becoming popular that all the clones are gonna smother it, otoh it could show that there's money not catering to tards which might cause a renaissance on it's own. who knows.

 

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Hello, my name is Edward Bernays. I am responsible for everything that you hate in the modern world.
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Edward Bernays and the rise of HyperNormalization. Culture is a tool (one of many) that is to be used for control, not for art.

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2013-2015 was the period where pop culture went to shit for many reasons.

1. YouTube. Once media started to figure out how to incorporate YouTube into their culture, people of all walks of like discovered that doing anything stupid, pretentious and risky will get them views which in term built up the platforms of several creators; which in turn lead to...
2. Influencer culture. The very ideology of not putting in work and doing lazy shit had destroyed pop culture. You don't have to put in thousands of hours into your work to get somewhere. All you need is a camera, good looks, optionally a good sense of humor and an ability to sell out your soul for sponsorships.
3. The corporatization of the internet. This was the time when corporations realized that the internet wasn't for information or entertainment but for influencing the masses to spend more money and as such, everything became a product. Emojis, memes, content, even the people using the internet. (we're referred to as commodities now)
4. Quantity over quality. Simply put, that meant making product that took less time, pandered more to people and was filled to the brim with inauthenticity. While there was still quality product out there, it was clear that quantity was going to be a big thing in the future, especially considering that much of journalism nowadays focuses on an inferior product to make more money.
5. The idea that a corporation could be a personality on the internet. Unless a company is transparent and honest, I don't want to be friends with a company on the internet. Especially Wendy's. (pushed out all the legitimate people who had interesting content and better intentions, especially on Twitter.)
6. Everything is a product. If you like The Terminator, there's a T-Shirt for that. If you like Austin Powers, there's a item that you may like. Gone are the days when you can appreciate a movie for what it is, nowadays it's just promotional material for you to buy, consume, enjoy. (Chain stores are the worst offenders of this, especially Target)
7. Music streaming. While many people think that it's a godsend to enjoy music on the internet, it paved the way for several things to happen. It caused music popularity to be defined by how many streams it got on streaming services. It created an inequality for royalty payments due to the fact that the real money is in licensing the music for movies/TV shows/radio/stores/DJs/concerts/etc. You would have to get an absurd number of streams to make money off of streaming. It turned music into a lottery game, no longer is it about quality, it's about how viral the song gets which causes many other musicians works to get overlooked.
8. Corporate consolidation. We went from several companies to a small number of companies controlling everything. I believe competition brings innovation but without innovation, where does that lead us? Control.
9. Gentrification. Not only is this eliminating organic culture, but this is allowing corporations to make their own astroturf movements without anybody going against them and having a real impact. Inbetween those two years, there's been a lot of pretend hip people moving into places like Venice Beach and Miami for example and those people are easier to influence than the people who originally lived there for example.

Sorry for the long list. I hope this list is accurate enough.