When Is It Too Late To Change Your Life Around?

As long as you're still kicking, it's never too late. If there's something you want to do, or a change you want to make to your life, do it.

You only hit the point of no return when you give up.
 
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My prognosis is that the welfare state will have to give way before we see large scale continous social unrest. Right now those young dudes are just chilling at home living of welfare checks or disability. But if that runs out it is going to be fun. And given the demographic shift it is not going to last.
the most dangerous demogaphic in the world is young men with no marriage or sex prospects, no employment and or ties to their community
this is a dangerous demographic no matter what race you are, what religion you are or what nationality you are.
the demographic is growing as well in the western world especially.
in a few decades we are gonna eat major shit for it.
 
Its never too late. And I am a pretty cynical person.

The reality is when you turn 35 you're going to be 35 no matter what. If you got a late start in the job market, in dating, it doesn't matter. If you don't try the chances of achieving the things you want are 0%. You might have less of a shot but you still have better than zero chances of getting what you want out of life.

Say you're an unemployed NEET and you want a job, a house, and a wife. You can do two things:

1) sit on your ass and do nothing

2) set a goal and achieve it. Why don't you have a house and a wife? You have no job. Why don't you have a job? You can't drive. Why can't you drive? You never learned after high school and you're too embarassed to learn now so you're stuck and ashamed relying on family and public transit. Why not set aside that hangup and get some lessons? maybe you'll have a little more self-respect and get some of what you want.
 
the most dangerous demogaphic in the world is young men with no marriage or sex prospects, no employment and or ties to their community
this is a dangerous demographic no matter what race you are, what religion you are or what nationality you are.
I am not disagreeing with that, but I would say that modern media might just sedate them enough. We already have a significant amount (in tens of millions at this point probably) that fall in that category, yet we hardly see an increase in violent crime and the social unrest is mostly a very specific demographic group. This is by no means a garantuee it won't happen or that it is not a massive problem (even if we don't see literal wars in the streets the economy will suffer greatly and longterm might just collapse), but if I had to bet I would say that as long as the welfare checks keep flowing those guys will play video games instead of burning down the city.
 
but if I had to bet I would say that as long as the welfare checks keep flowing those guys will play video games instead of burning down the city.
how long do you think that gravy train will keep running though.
eventually it can't, we'd be sqeezing juice out of an orange peel.
the first problem is the population factor. which can be mitigated by immigration. for how long though
if the population gets too old and isnt replaced fast enough, the entire system collapses.
china will be the testing ground for this in like 20 years.
 
how long do you think that gravy train will keep running though.
Welfare is a religion in western Europe. I think they can keep trotting on for another 30 years or so. They can offset the bad demogrpahics by immigration from poorer eastern european countries (also a lot of immigration from non eu countries but those only have about 50% employment rate so they are neutral at best and a net drain at worst). The ECB will also print money to keep the highly indebted countries afloat so they can use debt to fund social programs. Eventually though the economy will have eroded to the point where even that won't help. But that will take a long time.
 
25? fucking 25? most people in STEM are still in college at that age, and you wanted to do what again? comics? manga? then fucking do it you lazy ass, you're not solving nondeterministic polynomial-time complete problems. There's a bazillion videos on how to draw, buy some supplies or a used ipad with a pencil and get started instead of shitting up this flightless bird forum.
Completely fair.
So are you? you better not be one of those middle class shits who thinks they are poor because they drive a brand-new civic their parents bought him instead of a bimmer.
Absolutely not. If there's one thing I can say it's that I have mostly made it on my own with very little help from anyone else. The roof I keep over my head is something I have earned. I'm a giant faggot, but I have provided for myself.
Fear of what? that nobody will like your gay webcomic? your bootleg naruto? have you seen the shit tiktokers do? we live in the age of shamelessness, nobody gives a flying fuck, go for it.
This is more of a topic in and of itself and not what I meant but don't you think that's an issue in and of itself? The fact that someone can make Sonichu or a tiktok doesn't neccessarily mean they should. I was more referring to letting certain opportunities in personal life slip by because of thinking I wasn't capable enough to do them and general lack of trust for others.


The nice answer is never, but realistically 40. If you haven't turned things around by the halfway point then let's be realistic, it's probably not gonna happen.
Yes, I agree. I think there's a very big difference between what some people on here might think of as changing your life around and experiences I've seen. The complete addict/disaster of a human being who comes very close to death and realizes they have to change things around for fear of their own mortality is very different from the drifting 20-going on 40 counter-culture dude who hasn't had any serious wake-up calls in life.



And at least from my Christian perspective, the guy who toils and ultimately fails is in a better position than the guy who was simply born son of the CEO. Like, there were some medical researchers who invested twenty years in a project, and then a cleaner ignored their signage and unplugged a machine, ruining the entire experiment. Total failure. Can't even say "at least they figured out that one wasn't a cure for cancer!" Might have been, but the work was destroyed. But it doesn't mean they should all lay down and die.

I know in this world of endless "influencers" it can actually be quite disconcerting, especially for zoomers, to imagine that you can have a good life without receiving the earthly rewards or popularity or physical gain. If you're a winner you should look and feel like a winner. But the people that look like winners might not be winners, and it's best to be a salt of the earth person, which unfortunately usually means not standing out much.

At the end of the day, the Bugattis will be salvaged for parts.... the bestseller books will be lost to time, the expensive tombstone will erode away, and new innovations will overrule your advancements to science. And your degree? Even two years after your death people might forget what it was in.

So why do anything at all? Just because it's the right thing to do. Even if you were a monster for the past fifty years, you should turn it around and do the right thing. Life is a movie with a spoiled ending: we die. There's no lasting surprises or meaningful twists: the only thing you can aim for is quality and authenticity.
Think about it like this: you’ll die one day and you’ll face your maker. Are you ok with what you did? He’s not going to tell you off for not writing a booker prize winner, or marrying a supermodel, but were you a decent bloke? Were you honest? Were you kind to people or cruel? Did you act with as much integrity as you could manage? When the chips were down did you stick to your beliefs? Did you help others? Not talking about being mother teresa here just did you do your bit?
There’s a lot of stuff in my life I got wrong before but I am trying now to be better. Covid was a lot of pressure to do things I didn’t agree with and it made me think about this a lot. When I’m on my way out, I want to go and be thinking yeah, it wasn’t a life of fame and fortune but I left things in better shape than I found them
Those are very good points and honestly I agree. I do think back on times that I have actually made someone's day slightly better or stood by principles and it does make me have a sense of respect for myself despite everything. I see a lot of the youtube grifters I used to watch and how much they've sold their soul and I can't say I'd rather be them. I'd rather have significantly less in the bank and be an unknown who's kept decent values than some shitty commentary channel with a million views. At the end of the day if you can't live by your core ideals, it doesn't matter how nice of a book you write or how great of a sermon you've made, you're going to look like a massive cunt with your pants down years down the line when people realize you were NOTHING you claimed to be.
It does seem rather bleak though that we're in a time where being the conniving and deceitful do make the most headway towards much of their goals. It does end up coming back to bite them in the ass but it sucks knowing that a lot of people (especially in the western arts) almost have to be that way to work on the same playing field as the rest of the vultures with the way the cards are stacked up. I see how Josh struggles daily. Bless him for being him, but it's a shame someone like him is the one having to claw and fight for every victory he has.
At the end having true moral conviction is something I do agree with. I just wonder if there's a way anymore for people who have that to get to a place of power where they can actively make things better for those around them. That's a whole other argument though.
 
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Completely fair.
Absolutely not. If there's one thing I can say it's that I have mostly made it on my own with very little help from anyone else. The roof I keep over my head is something I have earned. I'm a giant faggot, but I have provided for myself.
This is more of a topic in and of itself and not what I meant but don't you think that's an issue in and of itself? The fact that someone can make Sonichu or a tiktok doesn't neccessarily mean they should. I was more referring to letting certain opportunities in personal life slip by because of thinking I wasn't capable enough to do them and general lack of trust for others.
Ok maybe I went a bit overboard but your post was incredibly whiny.

As for your objective, look at what's popular right now: a shitty SFM cartoon of badly animated HL2 heads in toilets singing the shittiest turkish music.

Seriously, go for it, its an incredibly accessible dream, its not like you want to be an astronaut or something like that, not even making your own business, its just a webcomic.
 
Ok maybe I went a bit overboard but your post was incredibly whiny.

As for your objective, look at what's popular right now: a shitty SFM cartoon of badly animated HL2 heads in toilets singing the shittiest turkish music.

Seriously, go for it, its an incredibly accessible dream, its not like you want to be an astronaut or something like that, not even making your own business, its just a webcomic.
No you were completely on point. I'm not exactly on a place like this because I want people to indulge faggotry. I can generally tell the difference between lip-service and uncouth but genuine kindness. I get what you're saying. As in "just go for it and stop being exceptional about saying you want to". This place always surprises me by the actual down-to-earth nature of it. People on here have every right to tell me to do a flip if I'm saying I unironically want to do a fucking webcomic, but you didn't.

But here's the real question. Barring my personal ability, is it something MOST can do in general? Can a lolcow change their life around? Can a lot of NEETS or incels? That's more what I'm wondering. And if so when is the expiration date? I think with a lot of people it's more their mental wiring/discipline then age but I also do think learning crucial things at a much younger age might have a big impact on being able to not GET to that point, if that makes sense.
 
But here's the real question. Barring my personal ability, is it something MOST can do in general? Can a lolcow change their life around? Can a lot of NEETS or incels? That's more what I'm wondering. And if so when is the expiration date? I think with a lot of people it's more their mental wiring/discipline then age but I also do think learning crucial things at a much younger age might have a big impact on being able to not GET to that point, if that makes sense.
Yeah I get your point but frankly I think its less about age and more about your condition, like for example I've talked to 90yo people who were perfectly fine, and then to 20something methheads who were completely ruined for life, their brains were fried. If the 90yo wanted to write a book he could, but the drug fiend? nah, if you talked to him he couldn't even string 2 sentences together, he's fucked, not unlike a tranny who regrets having turned himself into an eunuch.

Something similar happens with money, its really hard to pull yourself by your bootstraps if you don't even have bootstraps or even boots anymore, metaphorically-speaking. There's a lot of talk about failure not being a big deal particularly in the tech and crypto scenes but that's coming mostly from rich kids who can always go back to daddy and mommy's mansion. Average dude's who bet the farm on a new app or some crypto don't get to try again, the number of suicide hotlines on crypto communities makes it obvious, and I knew about a few startup founders who commited sudoku, one was found in the middle of the desert having OD'd inside his car.
 
Something similar happens with money, its really hard to pull yourself by your bootstraps if you don't even have bootstraps or even boots anymore, metaphorically-speaking.
That's unironically the thing that terrifies me the most about the future. The next 15 years seem very... bleak for anyone in the middleclass. Sure writing a gay webcomic might be something I want to do, but the idea of having the basic means to live a comfortable life despite something not being hugely successful is what makes me get into "whiney doomer autist" mode more than anything.
 
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That's unironically the thing that terrifies me the most about the future. The next 15 years seem very... bleak for anyone in the middleclass. Sure writing a gay webcomic might be something I want to do, but the idea of having the basic means to live a comfortable life despite something not being hugely successful is what makes me get into "whiney doomer autist" mode more than anything.
So you want to make your dream webcomic or make it big? because if it is the latter then you better do like that fake ass poseur mr.beast and just start ripping off whatever is popular on youtube and other sites until you hit it big, that's one alternative.

Like do the skidiby toilet shit with some other song and bidets or whatever.
 
So you want to make your dream webcomic or make it big? because if it is the latter then you better do like that fake ass poseur mr.beast and just start ripping off whatever is popular on youtube and other sites until you hit it big, that's one alternative.

Like do the skidiby toilet shit with some other song and bidets or whatever.
I'm saying I'd be okay with not being a successful artist if there was a way to actually survive or live decently working a normal job but those options seem to be depleting rapidly as of late.
 
I do wonder if I’ve passed the point where I could’ve succeeded.

Not to power level, but I’m 30, yet I’m still more or less that 18 y/o graduate still relying on his parents, which really gets me down. My dream would be to write something that lots of people will enjoy and the like, but I worry that I’ve passed the age to do so.

Plus, something like that won’t pay the bills, so it’s more or less looking like I’m doomed to a life of a factory worker with how little big jobs I’ve done. It does at times feel like I’ve wasted my chance.

This is all coming off as rather autistic isn’t it?
 
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I do wonder if I’ve passed the point where I could’ve succeeded.

Not to power level, but I’m 30, yet I’m still more or less that 18 y/o graduate still relying on his parents, which really gets me down. My dream would be to write something that lots of people will enjoy and the like, but I worry that I’ve passed the age to do so.

Plus, something like that won’t pay the bills, so it’s more or less looking like I’m doomed to a life of a factory worker with how little big jobs I’ve done. It does at times feel like I’ve wasted my chance.

This is all coming off as rather autistic isn’t it?
I'd say take the time you have or the fact your parents are helping you out to work on your craft. If you have more time because of support, don't let it go to waste. Work on the things you want so that you can at least say you've done something with the support you've had. I don't know your exact circumstances but like people have said here, writing is one of those things you can be successful at at anytime in life, which is different from quite a lot of fields.
 
I'm saying I'd be okay with not being a successful artist if there was a way to actually survive or live decently working a normal job but those options seem to be depleting rapidly as of l
Then try, you're not losing anything by trying, is not like you're gambling your parent's house on some business scheme or about to go on a trip over isis-controlled territory. Literally go and buy a used ipad and start drawing, I'm suggesting that because you can get one for cheap at goodwill, probably less than actual art supplies.
Not to power level, but I’m 30, yet I’m still more or less that 18 y/o graduate still relying on his parents, which really gets me down. My dream would be to write something that lots of people will enjoy and the like, but I worry that I’ve passed the age to do so.
Most authors get famous in their 40s and 50s, and if you're living off your parents then do it, is not like you have to work to survive.
 
Although it truly is never, sometimes it's less about turning your life around and just realizing you're not on the path you originally sought out for yourself. Too many think this is a bad thing but realistically you just need to figure out your own direction and head in it, and don't regret it.

My dreams I had are dead would require to much time to accomplish and won't happen for me, so I took my life in another direction to enjoy it and I don't regret a thing. Fate is an ironic mistress at times, and often you find yourself at odds with how you saw your life heading or even the odds with the vision of yourself you once had.

In regards to trying to live your dreams if possible: Do it. Don't ask, don't think, don't question. It sounds simple but most people think too much and don't realize the path to action is doing. Like the old saying sink or swim: most people just think and sink. Don't. It only leads to second guessing, delaying, and eventually failure and then like some of us you'll only have memories of regret of not doing or not trying.

Even should you not accomplish what you want you can find a new path and who knows it might be your path you were destined for even if it is not what you expected, maybe it will be full of hardships but and I mean this s truthfully as possible I would go through it all again if I were to relive this life... Despite what some think it's truly about the journey not the destination.
 
Everyone who is older than you is going to tell you how young you still are to do what you want.
The question, however, is to broad to give a clear answer.

At 30, Is it to late to become a professional athlete? Definitely.
Is it to late to learn a new trade? Probably not, but you will always lack behind on others having already tons of experience under their belt.

I'm not a fan of the "It's never to late"-mentality. I think it invites procrastination and laziness. If it's never to late, why bother now?
 
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