Where to live? - (if you are white)

[888Flux]

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You cant just LIVE IN A HOUSE on LAND and GROW FOOD the overhead would be massive!

The overhead is almost zero? Well, nevertheless

I don't know what the cartoon is suppose to mean, but generally you need an income to pay for a mortgage and land.

I've never said I'm against alternative living but I'm saying to approach it with realistic expectations. You are going to have expenses. There is no situation where the overhead is "zero". For most people this requires a sustainable income unless you have a significant amount of money saved. And to the point of my original post, I said for 90% of people the determining factor for where you live is based on work availability.

A better question is why we aren't shooting the people that have made most of this country uninhabitable by importing infinity browns and selling future generations down the river to private equity.

 

[Artificer967]

A better question is why we aren't shooting the people that have made most of this country uninhabitable by importing infinity browns and selling future generations down the river to private equity.

A completely valid and reasonable question.

Why indeed? I think the answer to that question will present itself whether people want it or not.

 

[geckogoy]

I don't know what the cartoon is suppose to mean, but generally you need an income to pay for a mortgage and land.

Yea I mean you can literally buy a decent chunk of land for not that much and outright own it, and if you pick the right spot you don't have property taxes either.

A better question is why we aren't shooting the people that have made most of this country uninhabitable by importing infinity browns and selling future generations down the river to private equity.

Why indeed? I think the answer to that question will present itself whether people want it or not.

By far the worst thing on earth for white people right now is the US government and I think the appropriate course of action is to let it tear itself apart under jewish infighting and then reform it later like nothing ever happened (assuming we still exist by then)

 

[harbringer883]

Why is there no movement to re-establish existing abandoned towns?

It seems to me that if Whites were wanting a safe haven to flee to, then these places already exist. It is infinitely easier to occupy an existing place that has everything already built - ways and means, power lines, water, sewage, other infrastructure - rather than trying to make one whole cloth.

Well, there is often a reason why those towns where abandoned.

 

[Regular_Non_Spy_Phone]

Why is there no movement to re-establish existing abandoned towns?

It seems to me that if Whites were wanting a safe haven to flee to, then these places already exist. It is infinitely easier to occupy an existing place that has everything already built - ways and means, power lines, water, sewage, other infrastructure - rather than trying to make one whole cloth.

People try but they all seem to think everyone else is impossible to collab with... Gaining momentum or establishing some circle of trust to grow from is the challenge - and is what one should expect to grow out of threads like these. But it only seems possible in real life. We should be able to reduce it to a few town names in this thread, right? Maybe a town in WV? I'm open to suggestions. The founding group needs to have a reasonable skillset between like 10 people: HVAC, automechanic, construction, restaurant, alternative health practice, etc. The spiritual powers that run this world do not seem to want this kind of thing...

We're at the point now where many very highly skilled Americans can't get honest work because they refuse to sellout to the remaining scamjobs. They can't afford housing in their area because they're competing with section 8 niglets, blackrock Jews, and "investors" / boomers. The economic warfare is so all encompassing that it seems people must choose between dishonest forms of income and massive quailty of life reduction. And if you're the type of person I'd want in my village, then you know it is the sin that corrupts people... So submission to the growing requirements of dishonest earnings - earnings that we know make the world a worse place - will affect the corrupt and the towns that host them.

 

[Artificer967]

Maybe a town in WV? I'm open to suggestions. The founding group needs to have a reasonable skillset between like 10 people: HVAC, automechanic, construction, restaurant, alternative health practice, etc.

List of abandoned towns in W. VA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ghost_towns_in_West_Virginia

It's quite the list. Some are literally underwater. Some are part of the national parks service now. Many are not. Many just sit there.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Food. Shelter. Security. You will need a lot of folks, but I doubt HVAC will be top of the list. You need the buildings safe for habitation, waterproof and sound before you can start worrying about the appropriate tonnage for your new house furnace and how much power your AC will be pulling...

Food security. Water security. Sanitation - unhygienic practices have killed more people in human history than all wars. Then start in on the houses and infrastructure. It can be done, and it will be an effort, but it will be significantly less of an effort than hacking it out of the land whole cloth.

 

[Wilson The Ball]

A better question is why we aren't shooting the people that have made most of this country uninhabitable by importing infinity browns and selling future generations down the river to private equity.

Cowardice, Laziness, and Incompetence

 

[Blue Flying Leaf]

It is infinitely easier to occupy an existing place that has everything already built - ways and means, power lines, water, sewage, other infrastructure - rather than trying to make one whole cloth.

That infrastructure only lasts few years without maintenance (unless built by romans from rocks)
Copper, steel etc get taken and sold for pennies
Waterpipes just break or burst first winter
Sewage gets clogged and filled with roots
Houses without heating decay in 2-3 years and you'll never get humidity and mildew smell out.

Only reasonable infra is roads and even that is problematic as those still need maintenance.

For a person to "escape" city life, just move to suburban or a bit rural area. The offgrid life is mostly marketing and it is perhaps doable from ages 15-50.
After you get old you just worry how close shops and hospitals are. Any serious injury at remote location is a death sentence.
If situation turns militarized, the best solution is to just not be in the vicinity.

Reason why towns empty is because people that can move out do so and those who cannot perish away over time.

 

[Artificer967]

That infrastructure only lasts few years without maintenance (unless built by romans from rocks)
Copper, steel etc get taken and sold for pennies
Waterpipes just break or burst first winter
Sewage gets clogged and filled with roots
Houses without heating decay in 2-3 years and you'll never get humidity and mildew smell out.

Agreed.

I never said it would be easy and I'm not promising anything for free. What I am saying is that given a choice between recovering existing infrastructure/housing and hacking it whole cloth out of the countryside, then I choose the former. If you have to demo the inside of a house and gut it to the wall studs, then new Tyvek insulation, hang new sheetrock and put in new floors, then that is still preferable to building from scratch.

It's the materials. The bones of the structures are superior - the materials are simply better. This old house of mine, there isn't a stick of shit peanut butter soft yellawood in it. It's all hardwood. Even the wide moldings and plinth blocks are poplar. White oak floors. They looked like hell when we bought the place. I pulled 47 nails out of these walls that were leftovers - because when you take a picture down, it is easier to hammer a nail flush and paint over it than pull it out and redress the wall and paint it.

Horsehair and plaster over lath. No sheetrock. I had to teach myself how to plaster. The floor joists are 3" x 12" and poplar. Like walking on the Rock of Gibraltar.

When we had new shingles and tarpaper put on the house, the roofing crew was frustrated - they could not hammer nails into the roof. They were bending them. Because the roof isn't plywood or OSB - the roof itself is White Oak planks, about 18" wide and about 2 inches thick, the length of the house. Like trying to hammer nails into stone.

NB I would accept as a viable alternative having two crews running to recover building materials - one crew would carefully demo a structure, while the second crew would take those materials and render them suitable for use in another structure you are building. That would work and it would save time, effort and money.

Example: There is a house that burned a few miles from us. Big old place - Victorian. It was gutted. Damn shame. But the walls and chimney still stand and it is being overgrown with weeds. I was thinking about making an offer on what's left because those old clay-fired bricks would make an awesome patio and driveway for us - and nobody is making clay fired bricks anymore. Push the walls over, collect up the bricks, drive them back here and lay out a driveway.

For a person to "escape" city life, just move to suburban or a bit rural area. The offgrid life is mostly marketing and it is perhaps doable from ages 15-50.
After you get old you just worry how close shops and hospitals are. Any serious injury at remote location is a death sentence.

Agreed.

The shoulder replacement surgery I mentioned earlier - stupid accident. I fell, and dislocated my right shoulder. Totally preventable and needless, but it happened. There was nobody around and so I had to relocate my own shoulder, then drive myself to the hospital for film. My daily is a 5 speed. I made it work.

Fast forward 5 years and my ortho doc tells me I got "end stage arthritis" in my right shoulder (at my age - ha! Like I'm some aged boomer) and it's about half useless - I need replacement parts. Fair enough. Get it done and keep going. Because at the end of the day, what are my choices?

If situation turns militarized, the best solution is to just not be in the vicinity.

A two edged sword, and the thought has crossed my mind more than once. You don't live in some benighted urban shithole hellscape populated with orcs, trolls, demons and nurglings - which is the entire point - but you also are isolated if they decide to come to you.

Which is the situation in many places like South Africa. So, you take steps. It is counter-productive to do things like installing good entry doors and windows that can resist attack, and then leave your garden shed unlocked and filled with shit like crowbars, axes and chainsaws. Why not put a ladder out there too so they can access your 2nd floor? Retards.

Reason why towns empty is because people that can move out do so and those who cannot perish away over time.

Schrödinger's Economy. The War on Coal devastated the entire region - the entire economy got rugpulled. The economic conditions that caused those towns to be abandoned still exist - yet people are quite literally moving in next door to these abandoned towns on tiny plots of land in a new subdivision.

If the economy could not sustain a tiny town and it was abandoned, then what makes them think that same economy will sustain their new subdivision knocked together with brown invader slave labor?

Makes no sense. I live in one of those abandoned towns - an unincorporated area - we have about 400 people in this community. And I like it just fine.

 

[ellroy]

This.

Here is the cultural map of the US, as it stands in 2025 and where I got it.

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https://colinwoodard.com/new-map-the-american-nations-regions-across-north-america/

I don't agree with this map. It's on to something but is wildly inaccurate and makes broad generations. I'll pick a part PA first. This idea of unified culture and national identiy that somehow can continuously stretch from Philadelpha across central PA to the midwest and call it the same is really off base. The middle of PA is like an extension of WV. Western PA is wildly different from Eastern PA and they really let you know that, hence why the sports rivalries are the way they are. The idea that somehow this is the same going across Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, and into the Oklahoma panhandle is so laughable. I also think the idea that someone in Utah, a very distinct culture group with LDS influence is the same as Southern Alberta is another far fetched idea. I'm not going to dwell anymore on this.

You need income to pay for shit retard. I don't know what world you live in.

Living "off-grid" has a significant cost burden associated with it. You have land payments, property taxes, you still have to buy food. There is a huge initial investment in acquiring land, septic, utility hookup or solar, drilling a well, etc. Animals are expensive and unless you are posting from the Tranch there are costs associated with animals. Do you know how much money large animal vets make? It's not cheap.

By no means am I saying it's impossible but most people have insane delusional fantasies of what "off-grid" living is like.


My position that you need a job to work to earn money?


Unless you are doing a Captain Fantastic-LARP and living in a bus in the woods you aren't going to avoid having expenses. Frankly, I think you are full of shit.

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I'm sorry if I was overly hostile towards you. I don't even disagree with you on a fundamental level. But the reality is, living remotely innawoods on 5 acres of land or whatever is simply untenable for the average person.

This. Simply owning land doesn't print revenue or substance. You have to work it and there are costs associated with it. There also needs to be a rainy day fund in case shit gets bad, e.g. the crop gets ruined by early frost or your handful of livestock die early and you don't have meat for the winter. There is a reason why in America, rural living went out as time went on. Running a farm has lot of labor and risk associated with it.

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You cant just LIVE IN A HOUSE on LAND and GROW FOOD the overhead would be massive!

The overhead is almost zero? Well, nevertheless

Do you own a house? Do you own a property? Are you aware of that home and land ownership does have overhead with taxes and maintenance. Lets throw in growing food to replace the grocery store. Do you have money for the vet bills? Do you have time to tend to your farming even if its a humble 5 acres? Let assume you're able to grow every thing to feed yourself in the rural area, what are you going to do bring in extra money to get things you can't grow e.g. farming tools, gas for the vehicles, material to repair housing and fences? What about paying the mortgage and the property tax? Are you going to make enough to pay that every month? Every state in the union has some sort of property tax on land. Maybe you can find a place with low property tax, can you even find land with enough acrage that is affordable and arable?

That infrastructure only lasts few years without maintenance (unless built by romans from rocks)
Copper, steel etc get taken and sold for pennies
Waterpipes just break or burst first winter
Sewage gets clogged and filled with roots
Houses without heating decay in 2-3 years and you'll never get humidity and mildew smell out.

Only reasonable infra is roads and even that is problematic as those still need maintenance.

For a person to "escape" city life, just move to suburban or a bit rural area. The offgrid life is mostly marketing and it is perhaps doable from ages 15-50.
After you get old you just worry how close shops and hospitals are. Any serious injury at remote location is a death sentence.
If situation turns militarized, the best solution is to just not be in the vicinity.

Reason why towns empty is because people that can move out do so and those who cannot perish away over time.

Another good point. I think homestead has become the "van-life" of the right. It's all hype with deep pocket influencers that can use their fortune to subsidize their living. The legit ones know it's hard work and there is not stylish about it. It's why the best thing to do is escape the cities and get involved in the local level.

 

[geckogoy]

Do you own a house? Do you own a property? Are you aware of that home and land ownership does have overhead with taxes and maintenance. Lets throw in growing food to replace the grocery store. Do you have money for the vet bills? Do you have time to tend to your farming even if its a humble 5 acres? Let assume you're able to grow every thing to feed yourself in the rural area, what are you going to do bring in extra money to get things you can't grow e.g. farming tools, gas for the vehicles, material to repair housing and fences? What about paying the mortgage and the property tax? Are you going to make enough to pay that every month? Every state in the union has some sort of property tax on land. Maybe you can find a place with low property tax, can you even find land with enough acrage that is affordable and arable?

Honestly profoundly jewish, yes I have owned a home retard its not even remotely hard. Worst I ever had to do was re-sheath the roof and that was like 3 weekends of extremely light labor (small house tbf but thats what i'd recommend for most people anyways) could of done it faster obviously but I was in a desert where it rained like 5 times a year so I risked being lazy and got away with it. Also tbh I did a much better job with 4k of materials than the retarded mexican niggers would have who wanted 15-20k to do it (got a couple of quotes) and probably would have made me wait for months before they got started

If I outright bought a house in an area without property tax the overhead would be nearly zero almost any income at all would suffice

I also know for a fact you don't really need a vet for certain kinds of livestock, like chickens you can pretty much just let die on occasion and they will simply easily replace the attrition and continue to turn what is basically garbage into eggs and meat for free

 

[spagandhi]

Had a friend (a richer one, who can afford to think this way) say that if things get bad for Whites he'll just 'pull a PewDiePie' and leave for the far east, China or Japan. Obviously they have their own problems, but if you're going to be a minority in your own home anyway you may as well avoid living through Zimbabwification

 

[DickMain]

If you're thinking about Montana: Fuck off, we're full. Unless you want to live in the desolate wastes East of the Rockies, then fine whatever. Just don't vote for leftoids or transplant republicans if you can help it.

If Zoo/Bozo/Billings could be swallowed up by the earth overnight I'd sure wake up happier.

 

[Blue Flying Leaf]

This. Simply owning land doesn't print revenue or substance. You have to work it and there are costs associated with it. There also needs to be a rainy day fund in case shit gets bad, e.g. the crop gets ruined by early frost or your handful of livestock die early and you don't have meat for the winter. There is a reason why in America, rural living went out as time went on. Running a farm has lot of labor and risk associated with it.

In the end, you find out, land is worthless without hands to work it.
Everything exists because of human labor and economy and everything else is as fake as taxes.

 

[Regular_Non_Spy_Phone]

Had a friend (a richer one, who can afford to think this way) say that if things get bad for Whites he'll just 'pull a PewDiePie' and leave for the far east, China or Japan. Obviously they have their own problems, but if you're going to be a minority in your own home anyway you may as well avoid living through Zimbabwification

I've lived in places like that... The main benefit is corruption and some remaining cohesive culture/religion. There's a long track record of the Thai monks fighting communism. So while US corruption is just for Epstein-types, corruption in "3rd world countries" is a lot more "fair." Why shouldn't I be allowed to pay someone off to continue with my life instead of constantly get blocked by "regulations"? That being said, I never felt like setting up there; I'd rather grow roots where I'm most effective.

 

[harbringer883]

Had a friend (a richer one, who can afford to think this way) say that if things get bad for Whites he'll just 'pull a PewDiePie' and leave for the far east, China or Japan. Obviously they have their own problems, but if you're going to be a minority in your own home anyway you may as well avoid living through Zimbabwification

I'm not sure the asians want him there.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Had a friend (a richer one, who can afford to think this way) say that if things get bad for Whites he'll just 'pull a PewDiePie' and leave for the far east, China or Japan. Obviously they have their own problems, but if you're going to be a minority in your own home anyway you may as well avoid living through Zimbabwification

Japan is very difficult to actually move to as a foreigner, long term. To get your foot in the door, you'd need to have a place to live and a Japanese job, then you'd need to both work in Japan and continually live in Japan for...I believe it's 5 years, while paying taxes. Only THEN are you eligible to apply for a Permanent Stay Visa. If you manage to get one YOU ARE NOT A JAPANESE CITIZEN. You merely have permission to permanently live and work in Japan, but you can never hold a government position and many jobs (like Police) are barred to you.

Edit: and I should also mention that to even get considered for a job in Japan, they mandate that you be able to speak and read fluently in Japanese.

I'm not sure the asians want him there.

Many expats will tell you that the Japanese are not very friendly to foreigners living in Japan, and you'll always be "othered" in Japanese society even if you speak perfectly fluent conversational Japanese. It's not some magical paradise free of niggers and jews, Japanese xenophobia also extends to us white people to an extent. At best, we're begrudgingly tolerated.

 

[Aib Ld]

Job is going remote. How is Michigan, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island? Never went to these places, all I know about the last two is that they have ticks with disease bites.
I only went to Massachusetts a few times and the people in that place was hell.

 

[ChompChomp]

Job is going remote. How is Michigan, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island? Never went to these places, all I know about the last two is that they have ticks with disease bites.
I only went to Massachusetts a few times and the people in that place was hell.

Not to PL too much, but I grew up in SEMI (Southeast Michigan).

The more places I go, the more I realize how great that state is (except for the colder weather). Definitely worth checking out. Western side of the mitten is also a lovely region .

 

[Path Wanderer]

So what do we think about Maryland?