Which event Buckbroke America more, 9/11 or Trump?

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9/11, because of the Patriot Act, Surveillance state, stupid unwinnable wars, and the resurgence of conservative culture war that came in its wake created the conditions for the woke backlash/cancellation campaigns later. Trump couldn't have happened without first the descent into madness of the 9/11 era and the bipartisan clowning around it (and the recession). Before Trump could break lib brains forever, ragheads had to break con brains forever.

But the true structural core of America's buckbreaking wasn't either of these. It was the neoliberal financialization and deindustrialization/offshoring and corporate media deregulation of the Reagan through Clinton years. Thats why there are long term trends of declining living standards, and people who know their lives are getting worse act irrationally and vindictively. Especially previously prosperous boomers who were taught to have protagonist syndrome.
 
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The worst thing to ever happen to America isn't 9/11 or Trump, it's the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression that followed. The stock market crash occurred in October 1929, just as it was spiraling down into the Great Depression. For more than four years, the stock market closed every day with a loss of money. And this was at a time when the national debt was much lower. So if you're concerned about the $18 trillion national debt, the primary reason why that's so bad is that we're indebted to foreigners.
 
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The birth of the most evil man ever to live, Richard Nixon.

I don’t know, there’s been a lot of terrible responses to emergencies. 9/11 and FDR being cripple King willing to let communists infiltrate the country were both pretty bad.
Both are basically enshrined to never be touched even if they smell like bullshit.
 
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9/11 wasn't really a buck breaking moment. if anything it was exactly the excuse the establishment was looking for to try and rehash the WWII era for the dozenth time so we could have a national project that would miraculously juice up the economy and dampen political dissent and make all the political leaders historical legends. the breaking was a process of years and years of frustration over the magic never materializing while arabs refused to quietly take their dose of Democracy™. the curtain never closed until the recent panicked evacuation of Afghanistan as the Taliban strolled into Kabul. the bitter media sniping at the new leaders always gets a good laugh from me.

Trump, on the other hand, was a profound act of psychological domming the cultural libs will never recover from. I'm not a huge Trump guy myself and I certainly don't believe it was an intentional strategy on his part. but Trump flouting all of their stupid made-up rules and still riding their dumb system straight into office undeniably drove huge portions of the US population straight into frothing insanity. it was the ultimate proof that their scolding and shaming and moralizing made no difference, that as much as they fancy themselves the intellectual overlords of American culture and politics, they can be instantly and effortlessly defeated by a retard whose entire rhetorical strategy amounts to "no u" while the rest of the country laughs at their seething. I was a Bernie Bro back in 2016 and 2020 and I was absolutely on the TDS bus circa 2015-2016, so I guess you could say I'm one of the buck broken. but rather than seething, that whiplash reversal of expectations sent me on a long quest for understanding that brought me where I am today. I am a different person because of Trump, and that's not something I can say about any other person who's run for President in my entire lifetime.

Evan-Wynn-D said:
The worst thing to ever happen to America isn't 9/11 or Trump, it's the crash of 1929 and the Great Depression that followed. The stock market crash occurred in October 1929, just as it was spiraling down into the Great Depression. For more than four years, the stock market closed every day with a loss of money. And this was at a time when the national debt was much lower. So if you're concerned about the $18 trillion national debt, the primary reason why that's so bad is that we're indebted to foreigners.
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Trump is Super Satan-Hitler on steroids and invades even the dreams of liberals, but 9/11 fucked America as a whole, so it just depends.
 
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I'd say 9/11 due to the ramifications it had on the country and it's effects still can be felt to this very day. Trump is at the very least is pretty ignorable for the average citizen who might not pay attention to all the hit-pieces written by the mainstream media.
 
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Technically 9/11. 9/11 was an insidious thing, it changed laws, it changed international politics and started us all down the path of the global totalitarian police state that we're currently living in. It was an event that changed the structure of societies across the world. But most of it occurred behind the scenes and when people started to notice it was already the new status quo.
Trump's impact was significantly less (although maybe give it time?) but a lot of it was in the social realm and so more visible so I can see someone thinking Trump was more buckbreaking. Protests, people going literally insane because a person they don't like is president etc. But at the same time a lot of the insanity wasn't Trump but the zeitgeist. Trump didn't create the increasing political divide, Trump didn't create the insane left or right but was simply a product of the times.
 
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