Which is more destructive - Communism or Islam?

[oldTireWater]

Lol "family values" as in "get as many wives (usually by kidnapping) to put out enough children to pimp to other men to support your lifestyle. Relying on endless territorial wars to keep the population of men in check and obtain more women. Also don't let women go alone anywhere since they will be kidnapped to be wives".

Family values in the sense that there is a sustainable "moral" structure. Given that they've been "prospering" and spreading for 1400 years I'd say that treating women like property works pretty well from an evolutionary standpoint. Doesn't mean it's admirable or compatible with western values, but it's hard to argue that it doesn't have staying power.

Communism is a manifestation of sociopathic lust for power.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Family values in the sense that there is a sustainable "moral" structure. Given that they've been "prospering" and spreading for 1400 years I'd say that treating women like property works pretty well from an evolutionary standpoint. Doesn't mean it's admirable or compatible with western values, but it's hard to argue that it doesn't have staying power.

Communism is a manifestation of sociopathic lust for power.

The only evolutionary part is that the western world was too soft to genocide them and end the threat. Look at Pakis in the UK and you'll see that sticking to few men every generation leads to biological dead ends carried alive by state money and modern medicine.

 

[oldTireWater]

The only evolutionary part is that the western world was too soft to genocide them and end the threat. Look at Pakis in the UK and you'll see that sticking to few men every generation leads to biological dead ends carried alive by state money and modern medicine.

How did Islamic peoples make it between 631 AD and the start of mass migrations into Europe? They seem to have done pretty fucking well . . . to the chagrin of their neighbors maybe. You can argue that Islam is destructive to non-Islamic cultures but it sustains and spreads itself pretty well.

Communism is destructive to humanity. And insidiously similar ideas with different names keep popping up through history. Communist thinking is like a cross between homosexuality and mad-cow disease. It keeps occurring and it is absolutely lethal.

 

[Pomniman]

Homosexuality, because it's right in the middle of the Venn diagram of both pinkos and goat-fuckers who practice it extensively.

 

[555777555]

Communism because it values science and technology.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Communism is "better" in that it tends to fall apart.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Communism because it values science and technology.

The same people think women can have penises, and hate fossil fuels don't value either of those things. Islam, with all its flaws, was responsible for significant advances in science and technology. Communism did not contribute much to either of those things unless you think Lysenkoism, and stealing German/American tech, is an accomplishment.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Communism seems objectively destructive and everyone under it eventually wants out, but Islam at least can be something people want, even if we don't.

That said, I'd rather try communism than live under Islamic law.

 

[555777555]

The same people think women can have penises, and hate fossil fuels

I mean actual communists, not liberals.

Islam, with all its flaws, was responsible for significant advances in science and technology.

The golden age of Islam is greatly exaggerated.

Communism did not contribute much to either of those things unless you think Lysenkoism, and stealing German/American tech, is an accomplishment.

A nuke made with stolen tech is not any less destructive than a nuke not made with stolen tech.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

The same people think women can have penises, and hate fossil fuels don't value either of those things. Islam, with all its flaws, was responsible for significant advances in science and technology. Communism did not contribute much to either of those things unless you think Lysenkoism, and stealing German/American tech, is an accomplishment.

This is a myth. Islam didn't create anything and anything of value came from whatever they had conquered. Even their holy book is a copy of every religion from Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and paganism.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

How did Islamic peoples make it between 631 AD and the start of mass migrations into Europe?

Some of the worst plagues ever mutilating the most powerful states at the time. As well as some tribals on horseback doing the same. Some religious civil wars. Some dynastic civil wars as well as some costly wars between both the two Empires and said Empires and everyone else.
There was never a more opportune time in history than the 8th century to push out the Byzantines and Sassanids out of the Middle east. The fact that it took a further 6 centuries for them to finally kill the Byzantines off is a testament of how resilient they were.

 

[The Ugly One]

No country has ever recovered from Islam. Once Islam shows up, it burrows in like a tick, and another region of the planet is just fucking done.

Communism, by contrast, flames out and self-destructs comparatively quickly, and while it leaves destruction in its wake, the people can recover. The Slavs and the Chinese are no longer Communist (the Chinese are Communist in name only). Arabs, Egyptians, Persians, Turks, Anatolians, and the whole lot of the rest of them, by contrast, are still Muslim.

In the roughly 1400 years since it has shown up, the only place Islam was ever defeated was the Iberian peninsula, and that victory has proven to be only temporary.

 

[Eddie Riggs]

You can always rely on Memri TV to provide a good zinger for every occasion.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

As someone who has seen communism first had and what it does, I can easily say islam.
Mainly because it's just the same socialist autocrat bullshit, just with a theological spin instead of a (((cult of reason))) one.

 

[Mike Sneedsby]

Depends on how you look at it, I guess. Mohammed making the Arab equivalent of Mormonism and conquering much of the Middle East was constructive from the point of view of the Arab. Arabs and Arabized Turks and other barbarians invading Europe was incredibly destructive to actual civilization. The stream doesn't rise higher than its source and Islam will never rise above the customs of tribal desert dwellers.

Communism is less barbaric because it was made by whites (yes, Jews were involved both in the theory and execution, but pretending native Europeans weren't just as involved is cope) but designedly opposes everything noble and good in our character and spirit. It adds nothing but bitterness and cynicism and takes away the whole foundation.

It might be more tolerable living under Brezhnev than it will under al-Andalus Caliphate 2.0, but I think Communism is worse in the abstract.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

Communism sucks.

Most Arabs suck.

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

Islam. They destroy every civilization they touch. Admiring them is like admiring cancer cells for successfully invading and taking over healthy, functional bodies.

They proliferate themselves by a global version of gang violence (killing and enslaving those who refuse to convert), and breeding with their own cousins. They explicitly allow rape and slavery. They are openly supremacist and incapable of co-existing with non Muslims. They achieve nothing without stealing from the cultures they have infested. The Ottomans had to hire Europeans just to make maps for them.

Meanwhile, communism did not destroy countries. They still had great achievements, and lofty ideals of fairness and progress. A previous poster's comparison to an illness a country can recover from is good. Former communist countries aren't hellholes or permanently destroyed. And in fact, communism greatly improved and modernized formerly third world Muslim shitholes like Uzbekistan and made them safe.

At the end of the day, women can walk around safely in North Korea. Try doing that in Morocco.

 

[Scritti Politti]

In terms of the West, I would say Islam.

Communism has been responsible for a lot of harm to be sure, but at the moment "communism" in the West is mainly an impotent intellectual exercise, relevant to a number of cloistered academics with very little political power i.e. it serves as an extended circlejerk. For instance, Brill publications produces this book series on Historical Materialism which, at this moment, numbers 344 volumes. Subjects like "Communes and Conflict: Urban Rebellion in Late Medieval Flanders", "The Schema of Reification" and "Karel Kosík and the Dialectics of the Concrete" have no relevance to the overwhelming majority of Westerners, and I struggle to imagine a scenario where they do become relevant. Whereas the doctrines of Islam and their impact are very relevant, indeed.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Some of the worst plagues ever mutilating the most powerful states at the time. As well as some tribals on horseback doing the same. Some religious civil wars. Some dynastic civil wars as well as some costly wars between both the two Empires and said Empires and everyone else.
There was never a more opportune time in history than the 8th century to push out the Byzantines and Sassanids out of the Middle east. The fact that it took a further 6 centuries for them to finally kill the Byzantines off is a testament of how resilient they were.

Also, because they were one of the few to be able to stop the Mongolian horde at the time, shows how much of cockroaches Islam turned out to be.

But Communism is more destructive, because of how much damage it did in the shorter existence of it, compared to Islam. And because the CCP is able to make Muslims and most other non-Jew religions cuck out to them. The CCP also continues to exist as a state, even with the many times they shot themselves in the food, and Vietnam still remains red to the core, despite them being way less extreme than the CCP. Vietnam also witnessing how destructive Pol Pot was because the Khmer Rouge killed 1/4 of Cambodia's population also contributed to them toning their Communism down, but it's still there.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

I mean actual communists, not liberals.

Why would anyone brag, tell someone you are a communist or be an actual communist in 2024/2025 unless they're retarded or something
The 1989 revolutions already made it a moot point, and your role models are pedophiles like Stalin and Beria, very similar to Muhammad
I'm not seeing the point
Islam is stupid, but I can kinda see why people are muslims because religion is important to give people purpose and it has staying power
But there is no point to communism unless you're edgy and going through a rebellious phase with your parents
Might as well commit harakiri or something