Which is worse: Left wing social policy or left wing economic policy?

[Night Crawler]

Huh?

More socialists compared to the US. European socialism is not 100% socialism. I believe they call it democratic socialism.

Developed countries (think most of Europe) should invest in the well being of their population. It worked well, having safety nets and not being barred from anything because you were born poor did help a lot. Taxpayers didn't want bums on the street and people who can't afford shit, so they were fine with social housing projects.

It was a good trade between having hungry, stinky homeless dudes with nothing to lose pushed to crime and someone who has a dwelling, some income and can afford to buy the bare minimum. The latter would actually have a chance to build up and become useful for society.

Disaster ensued when some very retarded people decided that all the rest of the world is OUR responsibility and sheltered low IQ animals from shithole countries, somehow thinking they will manage to behave like human beings. Fast forward until today.


Place called Europe, please do not redeem.

I agree. Countries should invest in their own populations. If we only had to deal with our own poor people it would be affordable. But you can't take in low IQ turd people from third world shitholes and give them the same social bennies.

And yet not a single party I can think of offers that combination of social conservatism and economic liberalism. Of any pop up they’re slapped down very hard
Isn’t that odd?

It's the same way in the US. We have no combination of that either. At least till Trump came along. Trumps not 100% but he is getting close and he scares the hell out of the political establishment in the US. For decades Americans were stuck with having to vote for Republicans or Democrats. Trump takes the good points of both parties and throws the bad ones in the garbage. They don't like this. The people in power liked having Americans scurrying like mice back and forth between the two parties. When the Republicans got out of hand it was back to the Democrats. When the Democrats started acting up it was back to the Republicans. Democrats are viewed as the US version of the UK's labor party. At least they were. I know some people still see them as the party that stands up for the poor and working class. The republicans were seen as the defender of the rich and country club types. It's funny that it took a rich man to come along and stop this.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

More socialists compared to the US. European socialism is not 100% socialism. I believe they call it democratic socialism.

Socialism has been divided between "reformism" and "revolutionary" socialism since Karl Marx was alive. See the Gotha Program of the German SPD--Marx was an opponent of it because it was too conciliatory toward capitalism. Gotha Program was contemporary with the formation of the Fabian Society, who have been one of the dominating groups of the British Labour Party since their inception. However, it all has the same goal to create the society outlined in the Communist Manifesto. European socialism is absolutely socialism.

It's the same way in the US. We have no combination of that either. At least till Trump came along. Trumps not 100% but he is getting close and he scares the hell out of the political establishment in the US. For decades Americans were stuck with having to vote for Republicans or Democrats. Trump takes the good points of both parties and throws the bad ones in the garbage. They don't like this. The people in power liked having Americans scurrying like mice back and forth between the two parties. When the Republicans got out of hand it was back to the Democrats. When the Democrats started acting up it was back to the Republicans. Democrats are viewed as the US version of the UK's labor party. At least they were. I know some people still see them as the party that stands up for the poor and working class. The republicans were seen as the defender of the rich and country club types. It's funny that it took a rich man to come along and stop this.

The uniparty was pretty decent in the 1950s-early 70s. Problem was the Democrats wanted socialism at all costs and started marginalizing people who didn't want that. Go pick up any book written about the old "New Deal" Southern Democrats and everyone involved has a lot of regrets how the party treated them.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I want to say both since I hate social policy personally but economic policy has more disastrous effects. Left wingers dont understand anything about markets or economics period, hell if they did hard sciences they would understand the basics of economics since thermodynamics and economics have some overlap. They dont even understand the equivalence principle, value*amount is a constant which is similar to the law of energy conservation in science, if they did they wouldnt blame inflation on corporations but the people producing the currency ie the government.