Who enjoys Nihilism?

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Nihilism is literally a philosophy for retards. It denies basic ass teleology (I'm not even talking about the metaphysical shit like God being the Origin and Final Cause of all thing, but basic things like "the purpose of your legs is to walk, the purpose of the mouth is to converse and to eat, the purpose of your fingers is to manipulate the world around you", etc.) that even Aristotle was able to coherently define and articulate in the form (heh) of the material, efficient,formal and final causes. Nature is filled with purpose in some sense. It may not be in the grand sense we may like or expect it to be (I disagree, but that's besides the point), but systems in nature fundamentally have meaning regardless of our opinions on what that meaning is. It's mind-independent meaning essentially: the meaning exists in the thing itself rather than in the mind of the observer.


This is fundamentally why I refuse to take any philosopher that isn't a scientist or a mathematician seriously: they have zero understanding of any basic refutations of their worldview and a lot of the times use philosophy as a justification of their retarded worldviews rather than a means to refine it to approach something close to what really is the case. That's why the nihilistic and existentialist philosophers of the 19th and 20th century are worth ignoring: they don't add anything to the conversation expect stupid pretensions masked as genius.

 

[Afinepickle]

While full blown nihilism in and of itself is completely retarded I do find that a tiny sprinkling of Nihilism on top of your own morals and ethics can honestly serve a function as a self check against becoming to extreme in your viewpoints. Sort of a way to internally bring your viewpoints back to 'What if none of this actually matters?' then from there assess them in a more pragmatic and detached way.

Aside from thought experiments like that though I don't think there's any real use for it.

 

[whogoesthere]

Did you ever read any Nietzsche?

He never advocated a philosophy of nihilism. Everything he ever wrote was warning against it, predicting how the death of Christianity would bring it into the world, and the best way to fight against it in a world without God.

If his disjointed writing ever had a single coherent thesis, that was it. I don't think there's ever been a philosopher where his beliefs were more different from the normie "common knowledge" about him.

I fucking knew that was the case. I read some of his stuff thinking it would be hipster grunge shit (it was oddly big when I was young, I think bands were talking about him a lot) and he seemed to be warning about passivity in life. Things have no value of themselves, but we must create value in them in order for them to have value. Like how we no longer participate in culture or create it, we just passively consume it now.

That's how I always thought of his work, more of a warning than a promotion. Still bugs me when I see it talked about in movies and they always think it means giving up on everything.

 

[Strix454]

Nihilism tends to be a label people attach to things rather than a philosophy that is directly advocated by the person being so labeled. The Russian novelist Turgenev originated the modern use of the term by creating strawman characters in a novel and then negatively associating them with the novel's idea of Nihilism. The labelling is frequently done in the form of an attack on a philosopher or a set of ideas.

Nietzsche didn't advocate Nihilism himself in his writings nor IMO did he consider himself a Nihilist philosopher. Yet in spite of that if most people attempting to define Nihilism, they end up pointing at Nietzsche.

 

[Fruttasecca]

"Nihilism" isnt a real thing as it is contradictory in its own logic: if you believe in nothing and that there is no right and wrong, then that in itself is a fully developed, moral worldview. Its impossible to be a "nihilist" and since you guys are already talking about Nietzsche: he was pretty unremarkable in his morals because he believed that the ubermensch would be a good person anyway without any big deviations from what we or even the people of the 19th century would consider as good, with the big difference that the ubermensch morals came from within and not from God. That was the real radicality of Nietzsche, the proposal that one could be good and moral and upstanding without God. And thats why he is slandered as a "nihilist", because the term "nihilism" is christcuck slander against people who refuse to kneel infront of the altar and participate in their cult.

 

[Shidoen]

Either people legitimately who lost hope or intellectual midgets who would piss themselves if they had a gun to their head.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

"Nihilism" isnt a real thing as it is contradictory in its own logic: if you believe in nothing and that there is no right and wrong, then that in itself is a fully developed, moral worldview. Its impossible to be a "nihilist" and since you guys are already talking about Nietzsche: he was pretty unremarkable in his morals because he believed that the ubermensch would be a good person anyway without any big deviations from what we or even the people of the 19th century would consider as good, with the big difference that the ubermensch morals came from within and not from God. That was the real radicality of Nietzsche, the proposal that one could be good and moral and upstanding without God. And thats why he is slandered as a "nihilist", because the term "nihilism" is christcuck slander against people who refuse to kneel infront of the altar and participate in their cult.

Nietzsche is a fucking clown. If you want good philosophy, read the main Greek schools, whether that be Platonism, the Peripatetics (Aristotle's school of thought), the Stoics or the Allah forgive me for saying this, the Epicureans (they aren't that bad but it really feels like Epicurus is just trying to justify being lazy). Their bottom-up approach of using the features and our perception of the world to try and understand what really is the case is better than the retarded top-down modern approach of starting with what you want to be the case and then going on from there, like Nietzche, Marx, Sarte and all the other brainlets of the past 2 centuries have spouted. You can't even begin to see how dumb it is to say life and everything is meaningless when you haven't even tried to find meaning in the structures of nature, where there is an abundance of meaning whether we like it or not. Just because modern political,social and personal life may be shit doesn't take away from that fact.

 

[Matt Damon]

You can't even begin to see how dumb it is to say life and everything is meaningless when you haven't even tried to find meaning in the structures of nature, where there is an abundance of meaning whether we like it or not.

Structure in nature is complex and interesting, but I don't see how that relates to personal meaning.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Structure in nature is complex and interesting, but I don't see how that relates to personal meaning.

What I'm saying is that modern philosophy starts off with the premise. It starts off with the implicit assumption that one's thoughts and feelings dictates the nature of reality, hence why some people ultimately claim erroneously that life is meaningless, whereas it should be the other way around: the nature of reality should dictate how we act and conduct ourselves in the world. Humans and all other animals have a basic meaning to their existence: to live a life most fitting for that creature and to live good,healthy lives. You can talk about more complex and complicated life goals and what not for humans, but this is a fact. A dolphin is a shit dolphin is it has no flippers to swim or the ability to eat fish; it's lacking in its dolphiness due to some accident of fate or genetic anomaly that prevents this. But if a dolphin can do both of those things and everything else a dolphin can do par excellence, then it can be said to be a very good dolphin; its not necessarily the Form of a Dolphin, but it has all the traits that a dolphin has and can execute those functions very well. Likewise, with humans, an autistic furfag pedo post-op troon is not a good human being; they have multiple very obvious traits that prevent them from doing the necessary social, mental, physical,etc. traits that are necessary to do what humans were made to do. If you are none of those things, you are at least a functioning human being, but the aspect of human rationality and intentionality adds a bit more depth to this question that literally will require a fucking chapter in a book to answer. Suffice to say, while having personal meaning is definitely a part of being a healthy human being and thus fully human, personal meaning doesn't dictate the nature of reality and its meaningfulness. It's really just a mirror to one's state of mind/soul and influences how one sees the world, not how the world truly is. There are many things that I probably fucked up in this response, but I think Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics covers them better and more generally than I ever could.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

I always saw the Playground level interpretation of Nihilism as optimistic. If the meaning of life is to find one meaningless distraction to fill the time between birth and death then I'm gonna fill it with whatever feels fulfilling. We all experience our personal apocalypse one day, may as well prolong for as long as possible. It is the folks who take the negative emo path that really should just be encouraged to --candlejacked

 

[Fruttasecca]

Nietzsche is a fucking clown. If you want good philosophy, read the main Greek schools, whether that be Platonism, the Peripatetics (Aristotle's school of thought), the Stoics or the Allah forgive me for saying this, the Epicureans (they aren't that bad but it really feels like Epicurus is just trying to justify being lazy). Their bottom-up approach of using the features and our perception of the world to try and understand what really is the case is better than the retarded top-down modern approach of starting with what you want to be the case and then going on from there, like Nietzche, Marx, Sarte and all the other brainlets of the past 2 centuries have spouted. You can't even begin to see how dumb it is to say life and everything is meaningless when you haven't even tried to find meaning in the structures of nature, where there is an abundance of meaning whether we like it or not. Just because modern political,social and personal life may be shit doesn't take away from that fact.

Nietzsche was an autist who read the Greek classic in ancient Greek, he knew them better than anyone really so I dont know what you are on about

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Nietzsche was an autist who read the Greek classic in ancient Greek, he knew them better than anyone really so I dont know what you are on about

And? He was a philologist, not a philosopher. There are modern ancient Greek scholars that focus on philosophical texts like Richard McKeon that do justice to the source material way better than Nietzchse ever could. The dude had a couple of good ideas and is only taken seriously by teenagers and the mentally impaired. Literally, anyone with basic life experience knows he's full of shit past his criticism of the secular humanist types and of mass culture.

 

[Fruttasecca]

And? He was a philologist, not a philosopher. There are modern ancient Greek scholars that focus on philosophical texts like Richard McKeon that do justice to the source material way better than Nietzchse ever could. The dude had a couple of good ideas and is only taken seriously by teenagers and the mentally impaired. Literally, anyone with basic life experience knows he's full of shit past his criticism of the secular humanist types and of mass culture.

lmao Nietzsche wasnt a philosopher, he was just one of the most influental philosophers of the 19th century, a century with some pretty heavy competition, get out of here

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

lmao Nietzsche wasnt a philosopher, he was just one of the most influental philosophers of the 19th century, a century with some pretty heavy competition, get out of here

And? Philosphy isn't a fucking race retard, unless you are studying philosophy for the wrong reasons. It's about understanding the true nature of reality, not coping with your Pietist Lutheran parents beating the shit out of you by being a sperg like Nietzsche and Schopenhauer both did really. Maybe you should read philosophers that are worthwhile, or maybe you should get more context for Nietzche's views instead of holding this retard up on a pedestal like communists do with Marx. Either way, read the fucking Greeks if you actually want to learn something. Otherwise, stop pretending your views are anything but the ranting and raving of a retarded 12 year old in a man's body.

 

[Fruttasecca]

And? Philosphy isn't a fucking race retard, unless you are studying philosophy for the wrong reasons. It's about understanding the true nature of reality, not coping with your Pietist Lutheran parents beating the shit out of you by being a sperg like Nietzsche and Schopenhauer both did really. Maybe you should read philosophers that are worthwhile, or maybe you should get more context for Nietzche's views instead of holding this retard up on a pedestal like communists do with Marx. Either way, read the fucking Greeks if you actually want to learn something. Otherwise, stop pretending your views are anything but the ranting and raving of a retarded 12 year old in a man's body.

Stop moving the goalpost retard also where the fuck did I hold up Nietzsche on a pedestal holy shit

 

[Copesneeddilate]

Nihilism feels like cope for the lack of belief system a person has, whether because they wasted their youth, or because they made alot of terrible choices in their life that whether through stubborness or shame feel unrepentant, thinking they can never be better and thus devolve into nihilism.

 

[kickingstones]

I've never meet a nihilist that wasnt just a self centered twat, that was either lazy or looking to screw somebody over.

I don't think people need to be religious but they need to be spiritual and serve a higher power other than the themselves or the US glomohomo agenda.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Stop moving the goalpost retard also where the fuck did I hold up Nietzsche on a pedestal holy shit

Your previous posts where you conflated being a philologist with somehow making a sensible and sane philosophy.

 

[Fruttasecca]

Your previous posts where you conflated being a philologist with somehow making a sensible and sane philosophy.

lol no you are the one who implied somebody cannot be a philosopher because of having a different formal education, wtf do you think a philologist of ancient Greek reads?