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Who is the most evil?
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I think what people don't take into account is that European history was recording way more thoroughly and way more consistently through-out history, mostly due to the Roman Empire's Imperialism and hard-on for documents. Thus, you are able to fucking reach into a hat and pull out something fucked-up white people did.
Also I hate to suck @ProgKing of the North 's dick, but fuck it I'm going to the base, this is accurate:
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I don't disagree with what you are saying other than me being autistic, but yes you acknowledge that we were the biggest cunts which answers the OP's question.
Why is this shit so hard to understand? *lol*
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Ffs, the argument autism is spreading that even I'm throwing myself in.
The inclusion* about smallpox is nothing in comparison to the Black Death, which is thought to come out of Asia with the Silk Road traders, maritime traders, and the Mongol Horde during Pax Mongolica as it took Humanity 200 years to recover back in population. While the smallpox could have been prevented by not having those infected sail offed to the new world, exterminating fleas that carried the Black Death would have been difficult for the Asians. This explains why there were so many trying to rid the disease after and during the crisis. Should have closed all trade routes and tell the Mongols to go home. Especially the Mongols, In addition, the Mongols practiced biological warfare by catapulting diseased cadavers into at least one of the cities which they besieged
In terms of death in warfare, look towards the Asians with all of their wars. Specifically with the Three Kingdoms of China and the Mongolian Invasions, wars with a very high death count. Don't forget about China as a whole with Mao and his Chinese Revolution and the instability of that nation with the many civil wars and the long time rivalry with Japan with Korea getting in the crossfire a couple of times. If Europeans are first in war casualties, Asians are breathing down their necks in second.
You think that the Atlantic Slave Trade was bad, the Middle-Easterns and Africans have been doing slave trading since the rise of civilization (see the Sumerians as the very first to use slavery) and continues to this day. Millions probably got traded while it went unwritten in history books of a total number. You bringing up that Europeans were mainly behind the Atlantic Slave Trade, and to an extent they were, but the Africans were willing to sell their own people to the Europeans in exchange for shiny shit like shells instead of telling them, ''lol, fuck off." Everyone was doing it and still is, even the backwater islands of Oceania were doing it.
Fuck, someone already explained that the Native Americans used human sacrifices, Some Oceania civilizations ate people, be it their own or some prisoners from a village they warred with.
tl;dr: Each race as a whole are fucking evil.
*edited because of an error in writing.
The inclusion* about smallpox is nothing in comparison to the Black Death, which is thought to come out of Asia with the Silk Road traders, maritime traders, and the Mongol Horde during Pax Mongolica as it took Humanity 200 years to recover back in population. While the smallpox could have been prevented by not having those infected sail offed to the new world, exterminating fleas that carried the Black Death would have been difficult for the Asians. This explains why there were so many trying to rid the disease after and during the crisis. Should have closed all trade routes and tell the Mongols to go home. Especially the Mongols, In addition, the Mongols practiced biological warfare by catapulting diseased cadavers into at least one of the cities which they besieged
In terms of death in warfare, look towards the Asians with all of their wars. Specifically with the Three Kingdoms of China and the Mongolian Invasions, wars with a very high death count. Don't forget about China as a whole with Mao and his Chinese Revolution and the instability of that nation with the many civil wars and the long time rivalry with Japan with Korea getting in the crossfire a couple of times. If Europeans are first in war casualties, Asians are breathing down their necks in second.
You think that the Atlantic Slave Trade was bad, the Middle-Easterns and Africans have been doing slave trading since the rise of civilization (see the Sumerians as the very first to use slavery) and continues to this day. Millions probably got traded while it went unwritten in history books of a total number. You bringing up that Europeans were mainly behind the Atlantic Slave Trade, and to an extent they were, but the Africans were willing to sell their own people to the Europeans in exchange for shiny shit like shells instead of telling them, ''lol, fuck off." Everyone was doing it and still is, even the backwater islands of Oceania were doing it.
Fuck, someone already explained that the Native Americans used human sacrifices, Some Oceania civilizations ate people, be it their own or some prisoners from a village they warred with.
tl;dr: Each race as a whole are fucking evil.
*edited because of an error in writing.
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I don't know what you were reading but I never mention small pox or black death. Go back and read all my post...no small pox...got it?
WTF it's like some of you people can't read. So yes that was a nice autistic rant. Idiot.
Shit I hate to call fellow kiwi's idiots, but for fucks sake quote me on small pox in this thread. Goddamn.
I'm either drunk as fuck or you are.
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@Ted_Breakfast brought Smallpox into the thread as a reply to you. My message has a few error like associating smallpox from one of your messages, but the argument still stands. I could argue that the some of the destruction from Europeans could be about the spread of smallpox to the New World in what you wrote.
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That is true. Small pox from the European explorers was devastating to the north American Indians and they wiped out a large majority until a vaccine was developed in which we (the US) inoculated the American Indians...of course in order to save ourselves.
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If we're going to say that spreading diseases (even unwittingly) is evil, then the homosexuals are among the most evil people in the world, yes?
No? It doesn't count in that case? If so, don't start with the disease argument.
No? It doesn't count in that case? If so, don't start with the disease argument.
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Evil never comes in darkness cloaked in it's true form. Evil like a plant requires light to grow. It is nurtured in kindness and grows with the best of intentions. It falls upon the contrarian and the heretic to rip away the mask of kindness that hides evil and kill it. And the saddest of ironies? To tear away the mask requires violence which means those who are good and fight evil must be prepared to defy all convention and wield the powers we attribute to evil. Death, destruction and force. It is the greatest irony of the human condition.
Never trust a man who says he has your best intentions in his mind. He is a liar and wears his altruism like a mask to plaster a fake smile over the shrieking grin of his madness. .
Never trust a man who says he has your best intentions in his mind. He is a liar and wears his altruism like a mask to plaster a fake smile over the shrieking grin of his madness. .
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Along with that, I think that a reason why Hitler stands on the evilest person pedestal is because of how his victims were treated and killed. The dude's underlings starved them, put them to work, whipped them, had them out in the cold, gassed them to death, killed the weak, and his scientists had them raped to study theories about stress and the reproductive cycle, poisoned, burned with incendiary bombs, forced to drink sea water, sterilized, the twins sewn together, filled with bacteria where their bone marrow should be, forced to endure brain injury, and even more, which even children weren't exempt from.
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I thought the point was to assess the locality of evil in the world. What everybody is trying to say is that in runs through all of us, if we'll allow it.
Evil could just as well mean barbarity and atrocity, not kill count. I don't doubt Hitler or Stalin would have scrupled at one hundred million more deaths if they could have managed it.
You're being obtuse. Not sure if it's deliberate.
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@Piss Clam I think the real issue we're having here is with the notion of the scale of evil. You seem to be basing your conclusion on total harm caused, yet it seems to me that this mode of evaluation is rather myopic as it does not consider the positives, or the motives. If your conclusion is that Europeans are "most evil" because their conquests have caused many deaths, you might as well just go a little further and say that humans are most evil, or further still that life itself is evil --were there no life there could be no evil, or at least no evil that seems meaningful to the living. It would seem that this metric will inherently indict whichever group is most successful or influential as "most evil", and on that basis it seems not really the most practical metric.
If we are to only evaluate an evil on the scale of it's negatives then we cannot make the distinction between a mild evil on a large scale and an intense evil on a smaller scale. Would it make sense to say that the American ethos is "more evil" than Nazism simply because by some measure it could be said that more have suffered and died under it? That is the issue when you indict the Europeans for their conquest, it was on a grand scale, and so it's total consequences can be expected to be proportional to the scale, whereas there have been many much more brutal regimes that have existed on a far smaller scale.
I do understand that you have been arguing total harm, yet to say that Europeans are the most evil on that basis is at best misleading. Further still is the fact that the choice of European is seemingly arbitrary when you could instead label some larger underlying group that will inevitable have caused more total harm by that same metric. It would all be so much simpler to say that humans are the most evil, for how many have we collectively killed? Untold numbers. And we are so good at it too.
As for who I think is the most evil? The person reading this ❤
If we are to only evaluate an evil on the scale of it's negatives then we cannot make the distinction between a mild evil on a large scale and an intense evil on a smaller scale. Would it make sense to say that the American ethos is "more evil" than Nazism simply because by some measure it could be said that more have suffered and died under it? That is the issue when you indict the Europeans for their conquest, it was on a grand scale, and so it's total consequences can be expected to be proportional to the scale, whereas there have been many much more brutal regimes that have existed on a far smaller scale.
I do understand that you have been arguing total harm, yet to say that Europeans are the most evil on that basis is at best misleading. Further still is the fact that the choice of European is seemingly arbitrary when you could instead label some larger underlying group that will inevitable have caused more total harm by that same metric. It would all be so much simpler to say that humans are the most evil, for how many have we collectively killed? Untold numbers. And we are so good at it too.
As for who I think is the most evil? The person reading this ❤
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I think the deciding factor should be if the accused knowingly committed evil for no reason.
Stalin, Pol Pot and even Hitler thought they were cracking a few eggs to create a Utopia.
Meanwhile, Napoleon, Genghis and Alexander were simply in it for glory.
Alexander massacred whole cities and upon his death he said "the strongest" when asked who would inherit his empire. His final message ushered in 200 years of internal war in the hellenistic world.
Genghis literally viewed non-nomads as equal to cows and expanded for glories sake. He literally killed millions in a day during some of his conquests. During his conquest of Persia he had the aquaducts filled in with concrete and had the house of wisdom destroyed as part of a revenge plan.
Napoleon was also just in it for glory. Millions died so a man could larp.
Of course, you could say that about literally any noble ever. The hundreds years war was basically glory.
Perhaps you could just look to rapists and pedos like Lavrentiy Beria - head of the NKVD. He raped and murdered hundreds of children and used ran the gulag system.
Stalin, Pol Pot and even Hitler thought they were cracking a few eggs to create a Utopia.
Meanwhile, Napoleon, Genghis and Alexander were simply in it for glory.
Alexander massacred whole cities and upon his death he said "the strongest" when asked who would inherit his empire. His final message ushered in 200 years of internal war in the hellenistic world.
Genghis literally viewed non-nomads as equal to cows and expanded for glories sake. He literally killed millions in a day during some of his conquests. During his conquest of Persia he had the aquaducts filled in with concrete and had the house of wisdom destroyed as part of a revenge plan.
Napoleon was also just in it for glory. Millions died so a man could larp.
Of course, you could say that about literally any noble ever. The hundreds years war was basically glory.
Perhaps you could just look to rapists and pedos like Lavrentiy Beria - head of the NKVD. He raped and murdered hundreds of children and used ran the gulag system.
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I have come to the conclusion that the British are the most evil people in all of existence.
Not finishing what we started with the American Revolution was the biggest mistake we ever made.
Not finishing what we started with the American Revolution was the biggest mistake we ever made.
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He was a friendly puppet of the British up until Entebbe, too