Who should be allowed to vote?

[Spud]

If you can't understand abstract hypotheticals you aren't allowed to vote

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Straight white Christian men born in America.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Also, preventing the incarcerated from voting potentially creates a perverse incentive to criminalize certain opinions, wouldn't you say?

It's a practical matter. If prisoners could vote, where should their vote count? In the constituency they were originally enrolled in or the location of the prison? The former has them influencing a place they might not see for years, the later competes with the votes of the people near the prison.

Plus the ultra-rich who use every tax trick in the book would lose their voting ability, which could exclude them from participating in politics.

It's not their votes that matter, it is their ad money.

 

[Eydallur]

The simplest way to limit the franchise in a way that disincentivizes adversarial voting patterns and encourages the strengthening of the core of a nation (the nuclear family) is by restricting it to only married people. One vote for each spouse but if they don't agree with each other then both are spoilt.

 

[Shart Attack]

The simplest way to limit the franchise in a way that disincentivizes adversarial voting patterns and encourages the strengthening of the core of a nation (the nuclear family) is by restricting it to only married people. One vote for each spouse but if they don't agree with each other then both are spoilt.

"Sorry, Widow Douglas, our records show your husband died last year. You're no longer married, so you no longer get to vote. Please try again when you get remarried and are less of a disappointment to Uncle Sam."

Any legal citizen over the military enlistment age who can pass the same citizenship test we require of immigrants should be allowed to vote. That will lead to a lot of idiots voting against their interests, your interests, and common sense, but tough shit. I'd rather live in a society where people are free to be self-destructive retards than a society in which petty technocrats decide who's allowed to vote based on which criteria are most likely to lead them to vote "correctly."

I think even felons should be allowed to vote. The average death-row inmate has done far less damage to the world than the average congressman. Our current President has the blood of a half-million dead Iraqi civilians on his hands and cheered for every US war and invasion from the last 50 years. A guy who killed someone knocking over a liquor store is an angel compared to him.

 

[Betonhaus]

"Sorry, Widow Douglas, our records show your husband died last year. You're no longer married, so you no longer get to vote. Please try again when you get remarried and are less of a disappointment to Uncle Sam."

Any legal citizen over the military enlistment age who can pass the same citizenship test we require of immigrants should be allowed to vote. That will lead to a lot of idiots voting against their interests, your interests, and common sense, but tough shit. I'd rather live in a society where people are free to be self-destructive retards than a society in which petty technocrats decide who's allowed to vote based on which criteria are most likely to lead them to vote "correctly."

I think even felons should be allowed to vote. The average death-row inmate has done far less damage to the world than the average congressman. Our current President has the blood of a half-million dead Iraqi civilians on his hands and cheered for every US war and invasion from the last 50 years. A guy who killed someone knocking over a liquor store is an angel compared to him.

You seem to be operating under the delusion that you and your loved ones will thrive in such a scenario.

 

[Shart Attack]

You seem to be operating under the delusion that you and your loved ones will thrive in such a scenario.

What are you talking about? I just described the status quo: retards voting against their interests, my interests, and common sense. My loved ones and I are doing fine. None of our problems would be made worse by extending the franchise to felons. None of our problems would be made better by restricting the franchise to 25-year-old, white, Christian, landowning, heterosexual, married males with a BMI less than 20, or whatever.

 

[Betonhaus]

What are you talking about? I just described the status quo: retards voting against their interests, my interests, and common sense. My loved ones and I are doing fine. None of our problems would be made worse by extending the franchise to felons. None of our problems would be made better by restricting the franchise to 25-year-old, white, Christian, landowning, heterosexual, married males with a BMI less than 20, or whatever.

Even if a voter base comprised of "25-year-old, white, Christian, landowning, heterosexual, married males with a BMI less than 20, or whatever" pushes laws to simplify filing taxes, loosens the regulations preventing bankrupting on medical debt and school debt, and pushed for schools to provide classes on budgeting and financial management with adult classes offered free of charge?

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

The simplest way to limit the franchise in a way that disincentivizes adversarial voting patterns and encourages the strengthening of the core of a nation (the nuclear family) is by restricting it to only married people. One vote for each spouse but if they don't agree with each other then both are spoilt.

I like this. You could also allow them to vote on behalf of their young children. More children, more votes. Also, votes should be weighted with IQ. You should have extra voting power if you are not a retard.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

The average death-row inmate has done far less damage to the world than the average congressman. Our current President has the blood of a half-million dead Iraqi civilians on his hands and cheered for every US war and invasion from the last 50 years. A guy who killed someone knocking over a liquor store is an angel compared to him.

What if that death-row inmate also voted for this president?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I disagree with any attempt to limit the franchise. Everyone has a stake in how their society is governed, and everyone should thus have the right to influence it.

The commonly raised problem of low information voters and bad governance isn't that there is a class of people who shouldn't be allowed to vote, but that society has clearly failed these people with respect to education; especially as it revolves around civics. Improve education, especially from a young age, and these problems would markedly improve.

People often suggest that 18-year-olds aren't mature enough to vote, but does the evidence actually support this? Research has shown that older voters are more susceptible to misinformation, and when you look at how old people do tend to vote, the received wisdom that being older means being wiser suddenly looks to be on very shaky ground.

It does. That's why if you aren't 25 and want to rent a car, you get slapped with an extra fee. The human brain physically does not fully develop its ability to perceive patterns until around the age of 25. I can fully confirm this from personal experience.

In many countries like Germany, the voting age was 25 in the 19th and early 20th century. And this was when the average 18 year old acted like a full grown adult with adult responsibilities.

 

[Dysnomia]

Anyone of legal voting age with a valid voter registration should be allowed to vote. Restricting it just creates a vacuum chamber and stagnates progress.

 

[Ookoo Squad]

A mass democracy of millions of voters is effectively rule by media/education, since that's the best way to spread your opinions to a sufficient number of people to swing even a smaller regional election. Call me an edgelord but democracy is fake and gay.

If anyone is going to vote at all, it should be in a very local context, and by men over the age of 30.

 

[SIMIΔN]

One interesting thing about the Roman Republic/Empire is that anyone who castrated themselves lost their citizenship rights.
That being said, the Cult of Sybelle was far from small, and all but one of their priests were eunuchs. The one exception being the leader, as a full citizen was needed to deal with the political stuff.

A mass democracy of millions of voters is effectively rule by media/education, since that's the best way to spread your opinions to a sufficient number of people to swing even a smaller regional election. Call me an edgelord but democracy is fake and gay.

And censorship and "anti-spam" algorithms.

 

[Kill a Troon for Pikamee]

I'm not in favor of democracy in general, but the only way to make it work would be to allow only white men who own enough property to not work and live off property to vote. The working class, niggers and women should be all treated as the mentally impaired niggers they are and strictly prohibited from partaking in politics in any way. Of course, even more importantly, all jews should be subjected to eternal servitude and prohibited not only from voting, but also from owning property