Who's responsible for the state of modern CWC? - A discussion.

[feedtheoctopus]

I've always thought the tom girl shit was the result of not being comfortable with societal expectations of the male gender (esp in the south) along with him thinking that he can't get a sweetheart because a) they used the excuse they are lesbians not interested in men and b) knowing he can't live up to "typical" male standards anyway, so the answer was to become a "lesbian."

In his thinking he could get the sweethearts without having the male gender expectations of being able to provide/work, be physically capable, etc... It was win-win in Chris's mind, he gets the china and doesn't have to deal with the typical expectations society has of grown men.

He's a thirty four year old "man' who wants to remain in a irresponsible childlike state but still wants laid. In his deranged mind and thanks to Snorlax he thinks women can do this, because it someone else's duty to provide for them. (Chris doesn't seem to realize it ain't 1950 anymore)

Chris has always claimed to be disgusted by his own genitalia, for what it's worth. And he's always had a love of what can broadly be described as "girly" things. I don't think he ever really liked being male or (like you said) the behavioral expectations our society attaches to that.

That said I think he put all question as to how genuine he is about the trans thing to rest when he carved a vagina into his own taint. That's some fuckin' dedication right there.

 

[Ternel]

I believe his parents are mostly to blame. I think Bob and barb both underestimated the extent of chris' eccentricities and to the degree they could parent him. I don't think it was until the high school graduation that they realized they had erred however at that point it was far too late.

Even today I can kinda understand their skepticism of trusting the government to help them. They are traditional southerners and they don't look kindly on public support.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Even today I can kinda understand their skepticism of trusting the government to help them. They are traditional southerners and they don't look kindly on public support.

 

[AnOminous]

That was only after Bob realized he was going to die soon and Chris really was a total fucking tard.

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

I believe his parents are mostly to blame. I think Bob and barb both underestimated the extent of chris' eccentricities and to the degree they could parent him. I don't think it was until the high school graduation that they realized they had erred however at that point it was far too late.

Even today I can kinda understand their skepticism of trusting the government to help them. They are traditional southerners and they don't look kindly on public support.

I really doubt they could parent them. What Bob attempted to teach Chris was undermined by Snorlax but perhaps if Barb died or complications in their relationship came about with Bob taking Chris, he may have made somewhat a success out of Chris (a rather backwards success though)

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Even today I can kinda understand their skepticism of trusting the government to help them. They are traditional southerners and they don't look kindly on public support.

I can only bang my head against the wall for every southerner who rails against the evil Fed Govt. yet cashes SSD checks. Getting a "nut check" is a career achievement for many a white trash trailer dwellers in the South. They don't even realize the irony of the lives they lead vs. the "political" beliefs they espouse.

At least Chris has 100% true and honest autism and does legit qualify for SSD, instead of just being a lazy, white trash POS who refuses to hold a job.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I've said it before, but CWC is isolated in a hoard house with only Barb to keep him company.

That can't be good for mental health.

 

[Dr.Research]

Once Chris was an adult he was ultimately responsible for himself. Growing up, Chris was at the mercy of how his parents raised him. And while having autism did stack the deck against him even more, he wasn't born incapable of assimilating and adjusting. His "high functioning autism" is exactly what it says on the tin. There's nothing stopping him, outside himself, from blending into society and being happy.

Once Chris became an adult and especially once he went to PVCC he could have opened his eyes to the world and attempted to make real friends and not be a selfish fuck who assumes he deserves a girlfriend or that any women not into him is either a lesbian or taken. Like I said, growing up with Borb would have made this more difficult (hell, the sad excuse of high school education didn't help either) but it wasn't impossible.

There are plenty of people who have shitty childhoods or bad parents and grow up to be normal. Chris isn't any worse off than those people.

Chris isn't retarded and he's able bodied (barely, and much more before. But he can walk, drive and move fairly freely without issue, or at least could, before un-clit). Chris is his own person and while the deck was stacked against him, his downfall is ultimately his own fault. If he learned lessons or realized, "Hm, I have no friends and my life sucks, maybe I should fix that" and then actually fixed it years ago he'd probably be ok.

One of my psych professors, who is a clinician, said that all you need to make it to adulthood is "good enough". So long as you have food, shelter, medical care and someone looking out for you when needed, you'll survive. Chris had good enough and them-some, seeing as how he did have love (even if it was poorly exhibited by Borb) and stable home and was spoiled. Chris has no excuse that he became the lolcow and a failure. So while there are different factors at play, including Borb, Chris is the one who is, at the end, in charge of his own destiny.

 

[AnOminous]

Once Chris became an adult and especially once he went to PVCC he could have opened his eyes to the world and attempted to make real friends and not be a selfish fuck who assumes he deserves a girlfriend or that any women not into him is either a lesbian or taken.

He was almost certainly told those things multiple times even when they weren't true.

 

[Hubcapdiamondstarhalo]

One thing I always come back to with Chris is that he has no sperg friends. Chris grew up in the late 90's and played Pokemon, and he wasn't the only one doing that. Manchester High more than likely had a group of outcast teens who met up to play Pokemon with their Game Boy cables. Chris was probably made aware by an outside influence that those kids were uncool or slow in da mind, and he was surrounded by pretty neurotypical girls instead. Chris should have had some sperg friends. He has tried to befriend Meghan and Waterman, but Meghan had to become Chris's sweetheart and Waterman couldn't become a sweetheart. So basically Chris has no use for friends unless it results in a girlfriend. That's his biggest problem, and it's mostly Borb's fault since they enlisted the Gal Pals in high school. It seemed so innocent but it warped Chris's perception of how other people think and how friendships are made.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

One thing I always come back to with Chris is that he has no sperg friends.

That's always been a question in my mind, the fact that he has zero friends. It seems like if he doesn't get anything off of them, he has literally no use for anyone else.

I can sort of understand back in the day, when Borb was so paranoid after the Greene County Screamin' Tapin' and all that, about Chris meeting people and bringing them back to the Chandler Shop of Horrors, but even now, even after people took him out to places, or he's gone to places on his own, it's like he has zero interest in just having folks to hang out with.

Facebook friends offer sound advice, that Chris could take even a modicum of, and come out on top, are relegated to just giving him asspats when he demands them.

Marvin: He talks to you, but has he has ever just talked about things he's interested in, or has the talks just been complaining or responding to your questions?

 

[feedtheoctopus]

That was only after Bob realized he was going to die soon and Chris really was a total fucking tard.

Nah, they were leeching off taxypayers long, long, before Bob started getting calls from the reaper.

 

[Dr.Research]

He was almost certainly told those things multiple times even when they weren't true.

He probably was.
Even the mothers of ugly kids probably tell them they're attractive and dumb kids hear how smart they are. But at some point I think most people realize that parents are a safe place to fall and where unconditional support and love comes from, unlike the real world and 99% of other relationships.
If Chris pulled his head from his ass (which admittedly, might of been harder due to 'tism) he could have realized that.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

Chris has always claimed to be disgusted by his own genitalia, for what it's worth. And he's always had a love of what can broadly be described as "girly" things. I don't think he ever really liked being male or (like you said) the behavioral expectations our society attaches to that.

That said I think he put all question as to how genuine he is about the trans thing to rest when he carved a vagina into his own taint. That's some fuckin' dedication right there.

That's a straight up lie, Chris has not always hated his genitals, this is the same guy that has
1. Drawn his own genitals
2. Masturbated on Cam for Trolls
3. Grossly overexaggerated the size of his genitals even before the Tomgirl Saga
4. Taken pictures of his genitals with Sonichu drawn on them
5. Shown his genitals on cam and in photo a few other times
Chris is very much emotionally and mentally a man. If gender is a product of society (social) than he does not understand it, which makes him truly agender.
Chris just likes to repeat dumb stereotypes that other trans people say, "Soul of a Woman" " I hate my genitals."
Chris did not start saying this stuff until the Tomgirl saga and notice how he gradually stopped saying them when it became apparent that he was not going to grow a vagina for some hot lesbian action.
Also, in his infamous Happy Woman's Day Video he refers to women as "Ya'll" instead of "we" or "us", which means that Chris does not view himself as a women transgender or cis.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

That's a straight up lie, Chris has not always hated his genitals, this is the same guy that has
1. Drawn his own genitals
2. Masturbated on Cam for Trolls
3. Grossly overexaggerated the size of his genitals even before the Tomgirl Saga
4. Taken pictures of his genitals with Sonichu drawn on them
5. Shown his genitals on cam and in photo a few other times
Chris is very much emotionally and mentally a man. If gender is a product of society (social) than he does not understand it, which makes him truly agender.
Chris just likes to repeat dumb stereotypes that other trans people say, "Soul of a Woman" " I hate my genitals."
Chris did not start saying this stuff until the Tomgirl saga and notice how he gradually stopped saying them when it became apparent that he was not going to grow a vagina for some hot lesbian action.
Also, in his infamous Happy Woman's Day Video he refers to women as "Ya'll" instead of "we" or "us", which means that Chris does not view himself as a women transgender or cis.

You don't think all the tryhard posturing has anything to do with some latent insecurity there?

 

[Linako 2.0]

The Jews did Chris.

 

[GetShrekt]

Chris has always had feminine leanings, but a lot of his mannerisms and behaviors were kept in line by Bob. With that little bit of restraint gone, it was only a matter of time before he went transgender in the age where self-diagnosis is "valid" and it's trendy to be some other (made-up) gender.

Honestly, if it makes Chris happy, fine by me. But if what I'm hearing is true and Chris cut open his taint to make himself into a lesbian sweetheart from the ground-up, then it combined with the oestrogel and hormones is beginning to border on the pathological.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

You don't think all the tryhard posturing has anything to do with some latent insecurity there?

Most of Chris' life has been about prostituting himself in one form or another (Sonichu and other crap). I do not know personally about gender dysphoria, but from what I do understand is that people have actually mutilated their genitals and breasts because of their dysphoria. Chris mutilated his taint to cover up the fact that he knew he was lying to a bunch of lesbians.

Chris' response to gender is purely reactionary (in my opinion). Chris has shown on several occasions that he does not understand what it means to be self-conscious about anything, and since dysphoria is a highly specialized version of self-consciousness, I doubt he knows what it means, even in relation to himself. Even his friend Kengle doubts him saying something along the lines of "I do not know if Chris even knows transgender is." As well, Chris has even called himself intersexed without even knowing the meaning of the word at the behest of a troll.
Even Marvin has described Chris as somewhat of an automaton, meaning he is easily suggestible and programmable. (people along the lower ASD spectrum are usually like that)

Chris has always had feminine leanings, but a lot of his mannerisms and behaviors were kept in line by Bob.

I do not wan to turn this into a huge debate, but yes Chris has had feminine leanings, but his masculine leanings always have weighed out his feminine tastes.
Transformers, vidya games, drawing naked photos of women, hassling cute women, talking about how he wanted to jam his face into vaginas (and a lot of this was even after Bob's death).
Almost forgot, he also tried to sell 56 DVDs of porn on craigslist, I do not know that many lesbians that own as much porn.
(not saying they don't, but that's a lot of porn for any woman)

I do not understand why people are so intent on suggesting that Chris has had the mind of a woman since he was a child.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Most of Chris' life has been about prostituting himself in one form or another (Sonichu and other crap). I do not know personally about gender dysphoria, but from what I do understand is that people have actually mutilated their genitals and breasts because of their dysphoria. Chris mutilated his taint to cover up the fact that he knew he was lying to a bunch of lesbians.

Chris' response to gender is purely reactionary (in my opinion). Chris has shown on several occasions that he does not understand what it means to be self-conscious about anything, and since dysphoria is a highly specialized version of self-consciousness, I doubt he knows what it means, even in relation to himself. Even his friend Kengle doubts him saying something along the lines of "I do not know if Chris even knows transgender is." As well, Chris has even called himself intersexed without even knowing the meaning of the word at the behest of a troll.
Even Marvin has described Chris as somewhat of an automaton, meaning he is easily suggestible and programmable. (people along the lower ASD spectrum are usually like that)

I do not wan to turn this into a huge debate, but yes Chris has had feminine leanings, but his masculine leanings always have weighed out his feminine tastes.
Transformers, vidya games, drawing naked photos of women, hassling cute women, talking about how he wanted to jam his face into vaginas (and a lot of this was even after Bob's death).
Almost forgot, he also tried to sell 56 DVDs of porn on craigslist, I do not know that many lesbians that own as much porn.
(not saying they don't, but that's a lot of porn for any woman)

I do not understand why people are so intent on suggesting that Chris has had the mind of a woman since he was a child.

I wouldn't call Chris an automaton. He's not a sociopath or anything, he's just very simplistic in how he approaches everything. He doesn't understand how other people view him except on a theoretical level and he doesn't really grasp the complexities of most things. But none of that precludes him from insecurity about his own gender identity. People have been pointing out Chris's less masculine aspects since he was discovered. Spurred along in large part by the fact that it got under his skin in a massive way if you accused him of being gay or questioned his masculinity. Don't think it helps that he's from a small, conservative, town and from a fairly religious family (at least in that they actually go to church and shit). When he started crossdressing bob called him a faggot to his face I'm pretty sure.

Chris was always bottling something up. How/why he got to this point exactly is anybody's guess, but I doubt this is just some sort of put on he's doing. Porno notwithstanding.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I wouldn't call Chris an automaton. He's not a sociopath or anything, he's just very simplistic in how he approaches everything. He doesn't understand how other people view him except on a theoretical level and he doesn't really grasp the complexities of most things. But none of that precludes him from insecurity about his own gender identity. People have been pointing out Chris's less masculine aspects since he was discovered. Spurred along in large part by the fact that it got under his skin in a massive way if you accused him of being gay or questioned his masculinity. Don't think it helps that he's from a small, conservative, town and from a fairly religious family (at least in that they actually go to church and shit). When he started crossdressing bob called him a faggot to his face I'm pretty sure.

Chris was always bottling something up. How/why he got to this point exactly is anybody's guess, but I doubt this is just some sort of put on he's doing. Porno notwithstanding.

I agree that people have been pointing out his less masculine aspects and they have also been hyper-focusing on them just to make fun of him. A lot of buttholes, through bullying, have projected so much of their BS on Chris that I do believe has pushed him into dissociation. Bob was one of the people that gave Chris a hard time from it, but there were also a bunch of weens that made Chris feel like crap just because he petted a dumb pony while pretending it was his gf. The collective masculine A-log in Chris' life, I believe, is also responsible for a large part of his new identity; see TITS (Trolling Induced Transsexual Syndrome). I do not think it's a coincidence that there are men similar to Chris, who are trolled and then want to be trans. It's just disassociation, you traumatize someone long enough and they want a new identity, and the trans umbrella has a ton of room. The difference is, from what I have heard, people that are trans start off in life not wanting to be that way and still would wish to have normal lives if it were possible.