Why are ADHD doctors so terrible?

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Ryo Ma said:
I'll go the other way and stress that ADHD is real and is a result of both our dogshit modern world and the poisons they inject you with upon birth.
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Who's to say it's not a survival mechanism, seeing as how whoever is first to spot the predator in the bushes is the most likely to live? Perfect for living in the wild, maladaptive for Industrial Revolution standards.
 
Vecna said:
That's a longwinded way to say they're not meth dealers, they're speed dealers
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It's not like you can just walk in and simply get ADHD medication. If they're doing that without proper procedure, then they shouldn't be prescribing people medication. They have to diagnose you, then titrate you to find what works best. If any of the available stimulants aren't working as expected, then they'll try non-stimulants as a second line of treatment. I find it hard to believe they're simply dishing these out like candy. Of course, medical negligence happens, and I do agree that some people are obtaining these when they really shouldn't.

A good doctor will tell you that they're not a miracle pill. They don't and won't fix everything. You still have to put in the work to build new healthy habits, the medications just make the process easier, especially regarding working memory which doesn't function properly in people with ADHD.
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
"are you focusing well?"
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Super Mario Brothers said:
"Hey doc, I think I have ADHD because I'm not focusing in school or something, can I have some Ritalin?"
"Sure here's some pills."

"Hey doc, my kid isn't doing well in school, what do you think I should do?"
"Put him on some pills."

Not that hard to figure out.
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Surely it can't be this fucking retarded.
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
"oh well let me give you medicine number 386. LMAO thatll be 10k dollars"
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Unless you're getting boutique medicine, adderall is like 20 dollars for 30 pills. Very sustainable. If your parents are paying absurd amounts, they're probably putting you on either vyvanse or a boutique non-stimulant drug, simply because stimulants "sound bad", essentially an antidepressant. When you get old enough go make decisions in this regard, avoid vyvanse like the plague. It has all the "tolerance burnout chemical-sensation headache sleeplessness" issues of no-downtime adderall use, with no additional benefits. Also, when employed, anything that isn't a stimulant is also basically useless, for obvious reasons. I've heard good things about ritalin and intend to try it on my next refill.

ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
she agreed and said that was totally unfair. Then later she asked me to leave and for my mom to walk in. And then when my mom brought up the same thing while I was away she said how I was wrong and how I obviously should had payed attention
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Please do not take it as condescension or insult when I say that you type like someone who, even as an adolescent, does not inspire respect or appear mature. If you speak with a wigger hip-hop dialect outside of social interactions at school, people will generally be annoyed, dislike you, and treat you unfairly. I certainly would. I meet a lot of people who don't communicate coldly, seriously, and calmly with doctors, and it leads to bad results, as well as any complaints they have being written off as drivel.
I may be wrong here, but if you were displaying a ton of emotional investment to the doctor, and getting up in arms about your (retarded and unjust) situation, (in regards to how the person you are communicating sees you, not how you percieve yourself), any adult is likely to glaze over and stare at you until you stop talking, so they can dismiss what you said (possibly in the Fentanese dialect of white ebonics) and try to draw conclusions without your input. It's mean, but it's often the correct move...

ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
Because most of them I swear if you tested them with a basic science test they would do average compared to the population. I fucking BET IT...
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I agree wholeheartedly, most GPs/PCPs ("regular checkup doctors"), pediatric or not, seem to be very mediocre and dismissive people (with many exceptions). If they weren't, they would be specialists. But, this is your problem. An adult with a regular, soul-crushing job, and a regular income, will ignore the input of someone who punctuates their statements with "I FUCKING BET IT BRO". To him, you "a petulent child who needs to be medicated".

As someone who had ADHD as a kid, and only got it treated as an adult, my advice to you is to just try your hardest while staying on a low or 0 dose of the weakest stuff you can get. I watched many a classmate get totally fucking brain-fried by+become dependent on stimulants, because of the super high neuroplasticity/brain impressionability you have before you're in your 20s.

The way it worked out for me was, after I couldn't keep up with college classes, I got my diagnosis and my magic orange pill. It basically fixed all the problems I had as an adult and is the main reason I am happily employed and financially stable.
HOWEVER, it did not fix any of the problems I would have had before that point, as a teenager. I am terrified to imagine how I would have developed had I been on the stuff as a kid/teenager. Even now, it can be a bit much and result in side effects that basically nullify its benefits if I don't take breaks.
Based on my experiences, it's definitely best to stay low or off the stuff until college, at which point it's basically mandatory for someone with this neurological chemistry to be on a stimulant regimen.

I am not you though, this is not gospel, try to judge the people around you more harshly in terms of how likely they are to be strict and condescending pricks.
 
ProudSkibidiTolietAryan said:
No offense to them but I genuinely believe that the advice they give to you are from children who were to young to give accurate descriptions of the problems they were facing or just said "yeah that works" to get out.
Today i was talking to one. Where all they do is write saying "yeah you can buy this medicine" and I was talking about how I got a 0 on my high school project because I did not put my DATE(This was 2 years ago)
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This is a valid and common critique. American children are more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD under DSM-5 rules compared to other countries, like Europoor nations that use ICD criteria (ten percent of DSM patients versus 1% of ICD patients). Pharma companies absolutely love how the DSM-5 was normed completely on young kids that have zero ways of actually describing executive dysfunction, so they push pill mill workers in the US (usually nurse practitioners) to diagnose anything with academic issues as ADHD. The majority of the taskforce dedicated to reviewing ADHD criteria in the DSM were all a homogenous mixture of paediatricians or child psychologists in affluent areas who worked for Pharma companies.

There is a significant gap in what doctors "think" ADHD looks like and what it actually looks like, and peer-reviewed interviewing methods that are thorough show that the vast majority of people diagnosed with ADHD are actually just naturally more anxious, depressed as fuck, or have side effects from other substances.

I will say right now that just because you truly "believe" that you have ADHD does not mean that you actually have it. There are a million things that mimic ADHD. ADHD is a diagnosis of exclusion.

You also type like a retard or underage. "You must be 18 or older to visit this website.", nigger.
Tiggie_Tiger said:
It's not like you can just walk in and simply get ADHD medication. If they're doing that without proper procedure, then they shouldn't be prescribing people medication. They have to diagnose you, then titrate you to find what works best. If any of the available stimulants aren't working as expected, then they'll try non-stimulants as a second line of treatment. I find it hard to believe they're simply dishing these out like candy. Of course, medical negligence happens, and I do agree that some people are obtaining these when they really shouldn't.
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The issue is that the way that insurance companies deal with stimulants seriously ruins any doctor trying to use this method, even though it is the peer-reviewed way. Despite extended release stimulants being the safest by far in terms of lowering addiction liability and enforcing good patterns of sleep, I still hear that insurance companies in the US will fight tooth and nail over anything that isn't Adderall, which is usually prescribed as immediate-release. This is contrast to basically everywhere else, where extended release MPH or extremely long acting stimulants with almost no crash period like vyvanse are the most common prescriptions. Like with other drugs, Americans are being forced by insurance companies to pick options that are statistically worse for their health. I don't think I've ever seen an MD that regularly prescribes non-stims inside the US, only in places with strict controls on stims like Japan or places where Big Pharma has less influence on prescriptions like Canada or Bongland.

You also need to concern that most doctors have no clue about what "ADHD" actually is supposed to mean philosophically. At it's core, ADHD is not "getting bad grades" despite what a large amount of NP's and a scary amount of MD's think, its the inability to control working memory in a consistent manner that seriously fucks with someone mentally. Think having to re-read an entire paragraph a million times, a question on a test, not being able to consciously actually focus on something without doing it carelessly, even if you aren't trying to be lazy. Exactly where "dysfunction" occurs is not a quantifiable number or percentile, but everyone (in non-cucked academics) agrees that ADHD is someone on the absolute left of the bell curve of cognitive salience in tasks that are not from mental retardation (that need to actually cause severe IRL impairment). It benefits Big Pharma to keep actual physicians in the dark, so their PR reps and inside men with MD's attempt to spam their disinformation on pamplets and in conferences in the form of vague statements or completely hypothetical or oversimplified explanations of the human brain as much as possible in hopes that the average attendee will absorb it partially or in whole.

The original studies of children and teens with ADHD showed that most of them could not pass even elementary or high school without stimulant meds and managed to dig themselves out of severe depression and drug abuse, with some absolutely exceeding their classmates in grades afterwards, a far cry from people who whine to doctors in college about how they are getting 70's to 80's even though they are "le gifted" nowadays. Despite Adderall being the most common reason for college students to fake ADHD, there is no evidence that it actually helps with GPA unless you have an actual diagnosis based on science instead of some info from a retard on TikTok.

And of course, with the state of insurance, you get people who incorrectly attribute the implementation of something with how it should've went originally as equal, who then proceed to say that the current state of affairs implies that ADHD itself is a lie, which results in the replies that you see from mostly everyone here.

In conclusion, kill (an effigy of) your local Pharma CEO.
 
The vast majority of people who think they have adhd don't they are just bored or restless.
A lot of doctors will over diagnose all kinds of mental illnesses and over prescribe medication. It's as simple as that.
 
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