Why are feds overwhelmingly pro left?

[thrasymachus]

America has a left.

Well Bernie Sanders maybe, other than him I don't see it, not in politics anyway. Maybe in academia.

For me to be left wing you have to work for the betterment of the working class. Make sure the poor are helped. That is left wing politics. Not just kneeling for BLM or LGBT. Someone like Biden or Nancy Pelosi isn't left wing.

 

[Kiwisee]

I think it’s also worthwhile to point out that organizations like BLM and ANTIFA were only allowed to get away with Summer of Love because the feds let them get away with it.

There were feds who were egging on both organizations to burn down black neighbourhoods, because they needed their useful idiots to chimp out.

Notice how fast they were thrown under the bus after November 2020, with more of them getting arrested en masse and the IRS going after BLM founders. Just about any ANTIFA group I’ve lurked through is crawling with feds, especially in Canada because the RCMP will ruin your life for being associated with them for the same reason you’ll get fucked over for being associated with Atomwaffen.

Long story short, all extremist groups have feds within them who are willing to fuck over both sides just to protect the people in power. That includes leftist groups; it’s just that the instances against right wing groups tend to be put on full blast more because it sells.

 

[Lord Neeba]

Well Bernie Sanders maybe, other than him I don't see it, not in politics anyway. Maybe in academia.

For me to be left wing you have to work for the betterment of the working class. Make sure the poor are helped. That is left wing politics. Not just kneeling for BLM or LGBT. Someone like Biden or Nancy Pelosi isn't left wing.

Completely disagree. Social positions, not economic policies, determines whether one is right or left wing.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

Neoconservatives in the south and fly over states don't understand Neoliberal's.

What's there to understand? Both ideologies are the same. Just with different names

 

[OutInTheRain]

I think a lot of people are underestimating, the amoralness and ideological flexibility of most people in high ranking leadership roles. If the person who holds the keys to power and promotions and tells them to believe X, most ambitious feds, most ambitious military officers will immediately and publicly espouse that they always believed X. When the pendulum swings back, well...then they will espouse that they always believed Y. As long as power and wealth can be aqcuired by espousing leftist politics, then the powers that be will be full throated supporters.
In essence what a lot of these people say and do in public is not their true face, their true beliefs. But a mask they wear to signal compliance with the regime, to show that they are trustworthy. Behind closed doors I guarantee that these people are probably just as nasty, grasping and hateful as every one else. Probably more so, because to behave that falsely requires an overwhelming amount of psychopathic behavior.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

I hate the terms left and right wing, all of your country is run by fucking grifters.

 

[thrasymachus]

Completely disagree. Social positions, not economic policies, determines whether one is right or left wing.

Well most left wing and socialist movements in the 19th century started to uplift the working class. Nowadays maybe people say "you're left wing" when you're a rich liberal who kneels for BLM and waves a rainbow flag, but that isn't what left wing meant originally.

 

[Lord Neeba]

Well most left wing and socialist movements in the 19th century started to uplift the working class. Nowadays maybe people say "you're left wing" when you're a rich liberal who kneels for BLM and waves a rainbow flag, but that isn't what left wing meant originally.

What left wing meant originally was you favored the republic over the monarchy in the French Revolution, as those that favored the monarchy sat on the right side of the chamber and those that opposed it sat on the left.

 

[Magicicada_septendecula]

Many good answers in this thread, but something worth adding is that Obama purged anyone not loyal to him in the upper ranks of these agencies. Even the military, once the only reliably Republican part of the government, saw a lot of generals and admirals fired or forced to resign, all replaced with Obama loyalists. Trump didn't do anything to correct this.

 

[Magicicada_septendecula]

You live in the most conservative, right-wing country in the whole Western world, one that doesn't even have a single consequential political party that could be plausible categorized as being in the "left", and you are really asking why your goverment is filled with "leftists". This is too stupid to be real.

American "leftists" aren't in the left. They are center-right at best, and usually even more to the right, if compared to real leftists that the world has to offer.

You're right in some respects, but it shows just how useless the terms are. During the 2016 election, I argued Clinton, being a neoliberal capitalist in favor of trade and open borders was further to the right than trade protectionist Trump. Seemingly leftist stuff like trannies, special pronouns, identity politics, diversity initiatives, etc., end up helping capitalist ends by preventing any sense of worker solidarity and making everyone a neoliberal worker unit more likely to snitch for microagressions or misgendering than to form a union and demand better pay. I could go on.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Feds are just glorified bureocrats. They want more taxes and more overeach so they support whatever gets them that goal. I don't think the american spooks actually want a revolution, quite the opposite, they are very much the watchdogs of the status quo but sometimes "everything needs to change so things stay the same" as the quote from "Il Gattopardo" goes

 

[Sithis]

It's actually pretty simple.
Feds are, by definition, agents of the State. They are reliant on the State to continue to exist as the State and to have all the power that entails.

The modern American left is currently stocked with people who are, at heart, Statists - an ideology which gives all importance to keeping the State functioning in the way they specifically desire, and the State as they envision it is of utmost sanctity and must be protected.

 

[Sanity]

I think a lot of people are underestimating, the amoralness and ideological flexibility of most people in high ranking leadership roles. If the person who holds the keys to power and promotions and tells them to believe X, most ambitious feds, most ambitious military officers will immediately and publicly espouse that they always believed X. When the pendulum swings back, well...then they will espouse that they always believed Y. As long as power and wealth can be aqcuired by espousing leftist politics, then the powers that be will be full throated supporters.
In essence what a lot of these people say and do in public is not their true face, their true beliefs. But a mask they wear to signal compliance with the regime, to show that they are trustworthy. Behind closed doors I guarantee that these people are probably just as nasty, grasping and hateful as every one else. Probably more so, because to behave that falsely requires an overwhelming amount of psychopathic behavior.

The leadership is pro-left, quite a few people in the federal government are actually right wingers just doing a job.

The reason the leadership is pro-left though is because lefties want a massive centralized federal government to deal with every issue the country has, while the right wants strong local powers to deal with issues unique to their locality.

Basically this. They support current leftism for several opportunistic reasons :
1) They're pro technocracy and centralised nanny government, and current leftists are compatible with this because they reject private property and individual responsibility
2) They're pro-globohomo, like liberals, but for different reasons. Immigration has been a way to bring down wages, and break strikes, for centuries. I don't think the US establishment is as much pro immigration as the EU tho. Anyway, promoting diversity in the workplace reduces unionizing and revolts against the hierarchy. Globohomo, in its globalization meaning, is also a way for the US to spread its soft and smart power around the world. It's a double edged sword for them.
3) Liberals, except some tranny anarchsits, are strongly against all means for the common citizens to arm themselves. They can scream "ACAB" all they want, by removing the right for the citizens to arm themselves, they leave the monopoly of legitimate violence to the state.
4) By breaking gender norms with LGBTQ+, they're pushing men to spend a lot of money on beauty and fashion products, as much as women. They don't want women to reject beauty standards either, in order to keep their existing consumer market. This is why liberal feminism pushed by the establishement is pro sex and "pro bimbo", and call radfems that reject female sexualization nazis.

This is why leftism in its original socialist form became marginal. The establishement promptly understood the need of the youth to feel rebellious, which politically translated to the left (at least after WW2), and they repackaged it in a form that suited their plans. I think this shit can be traced as far away as the 60's, and leftist movements became more and more eaten away from the inside.

Basically they're useful idiots.

 

[Associate Rick]

Because they're a bunch of faggots.

 

[The Ugly One]

I think it’s also worthwhile to point out that organizations like BLM and ANTIFA were only allowed to get away with Summer of Love because the feds let them get away with it.

There were feds who were egging on both organizations to burn down black neighbourhoods, because they needed their useful idiots to chimp out.

Notice how fast they were thrown under the bus after November 2020, with more of them getting arrested en masse and the IRS going after BLM founders. Just about any ANTIFA group I’ve lurked through is crawling with feds, especially in Canada because the RCMP will ruin your life for being associated with them for the same reason you’ll get fucked over for being associated with Atomwaffen.

Long story short, all extremist groups have feds within them who are willing to fuck over both sides just to protect the people in power. That includes leftist groups; it’s just that the instances against right wing groups tend to be put on full blast more because it sells.

Antifa's been around in Germany for a long time. Is Germany about to go Communist? Of course not, it's a globalist, corporatist graft state just like the USA. Antifa gets trotted out and let off its leash and pound some faces into the pavement whenever the German people start to realize the state hates them and organize right-wing, populist political resistance. State permitted street terrorism is a powerful tool.

2) They're pro-globohomo, like liberals, but for different reasons. Immigration has been a way to bring down wages, and break strikes, for centuries. I don't think the US establishment is as much pro immigration as the EU tho.

The EU's policy of using immigration to displace, dilute, and disenfranchise the native population is a mirror of Washington's. They even try to repurpose slogans that don't even make sense out of America. "Sweden is a nation of immigrants!"

This is why leftism in its original socialist form became marginal. The establishement promptly understood the need of the youth to feel rebellious, which politically translated to the left (at least after WW2), and they repackaged it in a form that suited their plans. I think this shit can be traced as far away as the 60's, and leftist movements became more and more eaten away from the inside.

Insisting they're the original leftists is a bit of Marxist propaganda to confer on themselves extra legitimacy as the only true heirs of the French Revolution. Original leftism is about abolishing traditional social structures and religions to liberate mankind. Socialism of some form was typically a part of that, and the American left does support greater state control of the economy, what they really are all about, in common with the left of 1789, is social destruction.

A major reason business swung left is that stable communities and healthy families limit corporate growth. Imagine if people still danced and sang; why would they pay a media company to watch other people do it?

 

[Sanity]

Insisting they're the original leftists is a bit of Marxist propaganda to confer on themselves extra legitimacy as the only true heirs of the French Revolution. Original leftism is about abolishing traditional social structures and religions to liberate mankind. Socialism of some form was typically a part of that, and the American left does support greater state control of the economy, what they really are all about, in common with the left of 1789, is social destruction.

I agree with you for the most part of your post, but I must disagree on this one. First, you seem to overlook the fact that not all leftist movements stem from marxism, which is especially true with anarchists.
You also lump the various movements of the french revolution with what were the most radical groups (led by some nigga named Baboeuf or something if I recall right) of the late french revolution. Jacobins, the moderate "left" of the french revolution, were never about destructing the whole social order, but rather to uphold the values of the bourgeoisie as dominant, instead of the ones of nobility. People often like to see the french revolution as one monolithic thing of the old, traditional, moral order against the destroyers of western civilization, but it's simply not true. There were various movements, several turning points (ex : the royal family high treason, the death of Robespierre...) that makes this event very complex, with several implications.
Let's not forget that this happened because the monarchy of divine right was very flawed and corrupted. Some of the far "leftists" of the time saw the nobility as degenerate and the lower class people as the keepers of morality, like this abbot Grégoire dude, if I remember right.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Because, speaking generally(so don't chimp too hard if you disagree), the left mindset is very much 'the ends justify the means' as opposed to the rights typical additude of 'the means justify the ends'. That's why you usually see rightoids standing impotent and rage filled on the sidelines unable to move past their moral hangups and take action, while left degens can hand wave away any unscrupulous behavior(even by their own definitions) as morally righteous as long as they get what they want.

Most people in government are power hungry narcissists, power hungry narcissists typically have no moral qualms, except when effecting any type of moral code appears advantageous to them, thus most of them become leftists.

 

[Jeff_the_Thriller]

My personal theory:

Right wingers tend to value independence and scaling down big government AKA glowy 3 letter agencies. Scaling down means less funding.

Left wingers generally want more big government involvement. That means bigger budgets and more funding.

There's the component too that they don't want to seem like they are unfairly targeting brown people, so the next big scare needs to come from whitey. I don't think there's some big conspiracy of George Soros globalists infiltrating government agencies. It is always the simplest answer and that answer is money... and not looking racist.

 

[trailcamwhore]

I don't think there's some big conspiracy of George Soros globalists infiltrating government agencies.

Why, then, do they brag of having accomplished a worldwide conspiracy to infiltrate governments and bend them to "globalist" desires?

Are they lying? About which part?

Their story totally checks out so far.

 

[ICametoLurk]

The USA supported the Soviet Union in WW2
Support Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge
Supports the PKK and MEK
Made ties with China
Supported Saddam Hussien in the Iran-Iraq War
Then joined the Soviet Union against him in the Gulf War
Supported the Maoists in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union
Supports Israel that bombed American Ships when the Government of Israel was Communist
Trained the Communist Vietnamese in World War 2
And so on...

And you wonder why?