Why are only MTFs unstable?

[Pickle Inspector]

The two exceptional FTMs I know are both in academia, and they're pretty similar in wanting to be The First. The First Transman to this or that. The real barrier breaking, activist/artist/academic. They both jump at the shot to be written about or on TV. They have fame boners. Delicate fame ladyboners.

The only crazy FtM (Preop) person I knew was a weeaboo obsessed with visual kei and yaoi and I hope it was just a phase they eventually outgrew.

 

[Safir]

Puberty is hard for women naturally

The only thing hard about female puberty is the logistical constraints of menstruation. Girls might not be able to use tampons, IUDs are expensive and parents might object, and pads (especially cheap pads) leak. That's it. Girls rarely get acne, don't get spontaneous erections, and don't wet the bed. All this whining about menstruation-related crankiness is white female libs' special pleading. Troons, however, overdose on hormones because they (understandably) want to speedrun their second puberty and start living as their preferred gender while they still have a social life and are fuckable .

also testosterone, while it shortens your life span, doesn't amp up your emotions.

Testosterone fucks up people overdosing on it (e.g. XY male gym rats) just as bad.

Trenders? Because they're chimping out that they still can't get laid even if they change their pronoun (and nothing else really). They're trying to sneak into lesbian-land and failing and they're angry men over that.

Not so much lesbian-land as the online trender hugbox. Many lesbians are feminists, understand the privilege of male socialization*, and know that trender troons will never stand for women's issues.
*for example, Alexander Mauer, the subject of the thread that brought me here today, used to be a famous chiptune composer. Had he been born female in 1983, his parents would've been less likely to buy him computers and gaming consoles.

Also let's not whiteknight FTMs here, nearly all of them are arrested development psycho dykes with penis envy, a FUCK YOU MOM I'M NOT YOUR LITTLE BARBIE DOLL streak a mile wide, and the classic lesbo domestic abuse rates.

The widest streak in FTMs is misogyny. While your average psycho dyke is shouting about worldwide sisterhood and demanding to have all men castrated, FTM trenders want to be "one of the boys" and look down on normal women. Laurie Penny is a typical well-adjusted trender. You don't see how batshit they are because
- they rarely attack men and are less likely to show up on the radars of communities skewing male;
- being women, they're too poor to transition, can socialize normally wearing whatever they like, and are thus prevented from ruining their own lives;
- many fap to yaoi, and transitioning with its facial hair and premature balding would make them less like the tall flat-chested suit-clad ladies they aspire to be.

 

[escapegoat]

I remember the acres and acres of extreme radfem butthurt when the "boi" trend really got traction. Stars and garters! Misogynist women slapping asses at the lesbian bar! High-fiving with men!

It actually seems sort of quaint now?

 

[Florence]

You're looking in the wrong places mocking MTFs is the norm on places like Kiwifarms, 4chan Something Sensitive ect, aka places where normies hang out. FTM trannies congregate in less visible places but I promise you they're no less insane.

Look at this shit if you don't believe me.

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/ftm

*cough*Vade*cough*

 

[Zarkov]

Usually the unstable MTFs are troons who transitioned for all the wrong reasons and had serious mental issues long prior to starting their trans bullshit. And when I say transitioned I'm being nice, because aside from wearing tacky skirts and purple lipstick most of them never do any effort towards their stated goal of becoming a TRUE and HONEST woman.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Example of insane FTMs: Pat "Nambla" Califa and all the fag hags on testosterone who throw tantrums because the gay community is "dick centric" and "vaginaphobic" (no joke).

A gay leather fetish event had to move to TEXAS because ftm troons kept bullying them.

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com...r-bars-heterosexual-females-from-competition/

 

[AnOminous]

Usually the unstable MTFs are troons who transitioned for all the wrong reasons and had serious mental issues long prior to starting their trans bullshit. And when I say transitioned I'm being nice, because aside from wearing tacky skirts and purple lipstick most of them never do any effort towards their stated goal of becoming a TRUE and HONEST woman.

I think it's because the unstable ones are also vastly more likely to act out in inappropriate ways and specifically go out of their way NOT to pass to make sure you notice they're trans or at least claim to be trans.

Otherwise, if you meet an effeminate looking man or a masculine looking woman in some normal situation in casual or business attire of the appropriate sex, you're not just instantly going to think "oh this is a tranny." I've certainly seen natal women who wouldn't "pass" if they were MtF, but were just really masculine women.

tl;dr the kind of people who aren't freaks are the kind of people you're less likely even to notice they're trans in the first place unless they tell you.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I think there's a terrible, terrible overlap between the M2F, Social Justice, and autism communities. Also, there's something about male narcissism that is especially destructive, which permeates the trans-community (Jener, Gorgeous, and even White). It's all too much, I would liken the situation to Africans swarming the West as fake refugees. Instead, troons swarm transgenderism and womanhood for dicks, narcissism, vaginas, and money.

Naturally, people are too weak to actually deport these people to their genuine social strata. I say it's necessary because gender is one of those boundaries in a society that's invisible, yet acts as a support beam.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Actual trans people, yeah it's the estrogen. Puberty is hard for women naturally- it's hard medically induced too. Makes you emotional, depressed, fatigued. They don't realize that women's bodies are so different; they're often surprised at things biological women have become accustomed to. (secretions, being penetrated, hormonal shifts in body fat, all of it really). Usually it passes, they get used to it and the longer they're living as women and the further they get medically to being one, the more they calm down.

Trenders? Because they're chimping out that they still can't get laid even if they change their pronoun (and nothing else really). They're trying to sneak into lesbian-land and failing and they're angry men over that.

It can be hard to tell the difference between angsty teenage girls and ragey adult men at times.


edit to add: ftm trans people get perks from going through with things up to a certain point. passing as a man gives more credibility on a professional level, as well as a feeling of safety most women haven't ever had (unless they're MMA fighters or something). also testosterone, while it shortens your life span, doesn't amp up your emotions. They go through male puberty, which to them is positive less emotional affect, hair growing, more muscle.

Estrogen has dopamine regulating effects which helps prevent the development of scizophrenia and other mental illnesses. A lot of estrogen has long-term "stabilizing" effects on chemicals. Barely has anything to do with your point but needless to say, estrogen, while certainly making you more emotionally reactive, isn't the kind of thing to make you go nuts if you weren't already there.

And, no, puberty makes men act like angsty retards too. You're clearly talking out of your ass here and I'm not sure how you're oblivious enough to think this. "Testerone doesn't amp up your emotions" Who the fuck actually thinks this, lmao.

It's probably just because there are so many more MTF's than FTM's. Same thing with gays. Why this is case doesn't matter much because the fact is that trying to switch your brain chemistry isn't exactly the most healthy thing to do and men just do it more.

 

[ES 148]

As always, I can't make any truly educated guesses, but I'd say a factor is (as I think has been mentioned) that nowadays, it is normal for women to have stereotypically 'masculine' hobbies and interests - a woman could be a boat enthusiast or a player of video games or even something like a bodybuilder, traditionally very masculine. However, a man can't really indulge in stereotypically feminine activities - shopping, using makeup, et cetera - because that's seen as weird.
As such, if a woman were to try and become a man, the issues are less around changing behaviours and more about the biological aspects, such as hormone therapy and reductive surgery. Overcompensating and acting incredibly manly might be an issue, but frankly I haven't heard much about it.
However, if a man wants to become a woman, he needs to 'act like a woman' as well as the physical changes, and even assuming they're genuinely transgender it's likely they've never, say, applied makeup before in their lives. This is why (besides crippling autism) a lot of the MtF lolcows often have ghastly hair (like Chris) or clown-like makeup (numerous examples) - they think 'women have long hair/makeup' and never properly look into how it works. Likewise with the crippling cutesiness you tend to see - they're 'acting girly' because that's the stereotype. This, of course, is less evident with sane MtF people, as they actually put effort into appearing female (even if they're just not cut out for it).

TL;DR: Assuming we're talking about transtrenders, it's because they have no idea what women do besides the stereotypes they're apparently so adamant about destroying.

 

[Despairagus]

As always, I can't make any truly educated guesses, but I'd say a factor is (as I think has been mentioned) that nowadays, it is normal for women to have stereotypically 'masculine' hobbies and interests - a woman could be a boat enthusiast or a player of video games or even something like a bodybuilder, traditionally very masculine. However, a man can't really indulge in stereotypically feminine activities - shopping, using makeup, et cetera - because that's seen as weird.
As such, if a woman were to try and become a man, the issues are less around changing behaviours and more about the biological aspects, such as hormone therapy and reductive surgery. Overcompensating and acting incredibly manly might be an issue, but frankly I haven't heard much about it.
However, if a man wants to become a woman, he needs to 'act like a woman' as well as the physical changes, and even assuming they're genuinely transgender it's likely they've never, say, applied makeup before in their lives. This is why (besides crippling autism) a lot of the MtF lolcows often have ghastly hair (like Chris) or clown-like makeup (numerous examples) - they think 'women have long hair/makeup' and never properly look into how it works. Likewise with the crippling cutesiness you tend to see - they're 'acting girly' because that's the stereotype. This, of course, is less evident with sane MtF people, as they actually put effort into appearing female (even if they're just not cut out for it).

TL;DR: Assuming we're talking about transtrenders, it's because they have no idea what women do besides the stereotypes they're apparently so adamant about destroying.

Trannies don't have the experience of having grown up as their preferred gender and figured shit out as kids, so when they're adults and mid-transition a lot of their re-learning behaviors look exaggerated. And trenders of course just act like walking stereotypes. It can be rather difficult to tell the fakers from the ones who are serious about it but just starting out.

 

[cuddle striker]

Estrogen has dopamine regulating effects which helps prevent the development of scizophrenia and other mental illnesses. A lot of estrogen has long-term "stabilizing" effects on chemicals. Barely has anything to do with your point but needless to say, estrogen, while certainly making you more emotionally reactive, isn't the kind of thing to make you go nuts if you weren't already there.

And, no, puberty makes men act like angsty exceptional individuals too. You're clearly talking out of your ass here and I'm not sure how you're oblivious enough to think this. "Testerone doesn't amp up your emotions" Who the fuck actually thinks this, lmao.

It's probably just because there are so many more MTF's than FTM's. Same thing with gays. Why this is case doesn't matter much because the fact is that trying to switch your brain chemistry isn't exactly the most healthy thing to do and men just do it more.

different emotional content. testosterone makes for bad temper, aggression, anger. can trigger schizophrenia. estrogen makes for social needs, anxiety and sadness. can trigger depression (long lasting chemical imbalance, not temporary like with testosterone)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25151053
testosterone

http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychi...en-girl-brain-high-drama-high-risk-depression
estrogen

 

[Y2K Baby]

different emotional content. testosterone makes for bad temper, aggression, anger. can trigger schizophrenia. estrogen makes for social needs, anxiety and sadness. can trigger depression (long lasting chemical imbalance, not temporary like with testosterone)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25151053
testosterone

http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychi...en-girl-brain-high-drama-high-risk-depression
estrogen

You don't really know what you're talking about, do you?

 

[UnderwaterUnderworld]

It can be rather difficult to tell the fakers from the ones who are serious about it but just starting out.

And that's why we have the kiwi farms, so we can laugh at the eccentricities of both groups.

 

[cuddle striker]

You don't really know what you're talking about, do you?

I could sperg out with medical studies if you want, but the two hormones do have very different effects on the body and the psyche.

almost seems like gender is... nearly binary.

 

[Y2K Baby]

I could sperg out with medical studies if you want, but the two hormones do have very different effects on the body and the psyche.

almost seems like gender is... nearly binary.

No duh but you shouldn't try to explain this stuff to me- it's kind of my job here. I'm not going to sperg into specifics about what was wrong with that post but let's just say I was only mentioning the details relevant to my responses in my first post.

(I don't want to start a spergwar here, if you care to shitfling more, PM me.)

 

[cuddle striker]

No duh but you shouldn't try to explain this stuff to me- it's kind of my job here. I'm not going to sperg into specifics about what was wrong with that post but let's just say I was only mentioning the details relevant to my response.

(I don't want to start a spergwar here, if you care to shitfling more, PM me.)

if I get bored later I might. I like finding new information. you can go back to your official job of Hormone Whisperer, I don't mind.

 

[PTNR 2.0]

Another thing worth considering as I feel it definitely contributes to a lot of MTF troon cases is that all things masculine are looked down on in the circles where people would be exposed to transtrender gender nonsense in the first place, so there's less pressure on women to transition to men. In fact, one might argue that there's pressure NOT to transition unless the woman is super duper extra serious about feeling that they're trans, since they'd be joining the "bad" team - and this shows to be true in Tumble gendertrender discourse where MTF trannies are viewed as BRAVE SPECIAL STRONG SNOWFLAKES and FTM trannies are viewed as problematic male oppressors. This weeds out a lot of the trenders on the FTM side.

At the same time, there's more pressure on men to transition into women for the same reason. Even gay men are increasingly not spared the wrath of SocJus Tumblr and similar sites. The prevailing view seems to be that male privilege ends once someone declares themselves to be a troon - look at how many male presenting Rat Kings categorically deny that they could have anything even approximating male privilege.

So, in short, you have way more men being pressured to transition to women than vice versa, meaning that you're going to have more crazy fucks just because of volume. At the same time, there's going to be more crazy fucks because who the fuck lets themselves be pressured into changing something so foundational about themselves? Crazy people, that's who. A potential third factor is autism. A disproportionately large number of trannies are autists (there are even studies being done that look into this!) and autists have trouble with nuance and are more naive; it may be a contributing factor that autistic gay men are manipulated, consciously or not by others, into becoming troons because they just don't know any better.

 

[Manah]

since men tend to be more sexually deviant than women

Person who has never spoken to a woman in his life spotted.

 

[WeaponsGradeAutism]

As @PTNR 2.0 said, science is still studying autism and transgendered leanings. It's FAR from ready. And the Transtrender crowd is causing lots of problems.

Overpopulation on the MTF side is a huge factor. FTMs have their loons, but for every Natalie/Milo Stewart... There's loads of reasonably sane FTMs.

There's also loads of reasonably sane MTFs. The internet is amplifying the voices of the loud and lunatic fringe of the "trans" community.