Disaster Why Are So Many Americans Choosing to Not Have Children? - It’s probably not selfishness, experts say. Even young adults who want children see an increasing number of obstacles.


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Researchers say that societal factors — like rising child care costs, unaffordable housing and slipping optimism about the future — have made it harder to raise children in the United States.

By Teddy Rosenbluth
Published July 31, 2024

For years, some conservatives have framed the declining fertility rate of the United States as an example of eroding family values, a moral catastrophe in slow motion.

JD Vance, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, recently came under fire for saying in 2021 that the nation was run by “childless cat ladies” who “hate normal Americans for choosing family over these ridiculous D.C. and New York status games.”

Last year, Ashley St. Clair, a Fox News commentator, described childless Americans this way: “They just want to pursue pleasure and drinking all night and going to Beyoncé concerts. It’s this pursuit of self-pleasure in replace of fulfillment and having a family.”

Researchers who study trends in reproductive health see a more nuanced picture. The decision to forgo having children is most likely not a sign that Americans are becoming more hedonistic, they say. For one thing, fertility rates are declining throughout the developed world.

Rather, it indicates that larger societal factors — such as rising child care costs, increasingly expensive housing and slipping optimism about the future — have made it feel more untenable to raise children in the United States.

“I don’t see it as a lack of a commitment to family,” said Mary Brinton, a sociologist who studies low fertility rates at Harvard. “I think the issues are very much on the societal level and the policy level.”

To some extent, experts like Dr. Brinton share the concern that Americans are having less children.

Fertility rates have been generally falling in the United States since the end of the baby boom in the mid-1960s. That decline accelerated after 2008, a trend that has been widely attributed to the Great Recession, said Kenneth Johnson, a demographer at the University of New Hampshire.

Everybody thought, maybe they’ll just delay having their babies for a few years, and then they’ll make up for it when the economy and the country gets back on its feet,” he said. “It never happened.”

Last year, the total fertility rate dipped to 1,616.5 births per 1,000 women, a historic low that is far less than the rate needed to maintain the population size, 2,100 births per 1,000 women.

A recent survey by the Pew Research Center found that a growing number of adults said they were unlikely to ever have children. Even before the Covid-19 pandemic, nearly half of U.S. counties reported more deaths than births.

In addition, the average age at which Americans are marrying and starting to have children has increased, most likely contributing to the fertility decline. In 2023, the median age of women who were marrying for the first time was 28 — about six years older than in the 1980s.

The average age when women give birth to their first child has also risen substantially, from age 20 during the baby boom to 27 in 2022.

Immigration to the United States helps offset population loss. Yet experts fear that shrinking generations could cause schools to close, economic development to stall and social programs like Social Security to run an even larger deficit.

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JD Vance, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, has proposed tax breaks and more voting power for parents. But experts say there is little evidence to suggest that policies rewarding people for having children are successful on their own.

Notably, studies of the reasons behind the fertility decline don’t reveal a dramatic shift in the desire to have children.

Many Americans in their teens and 20s still report that they want two children, said Sarah Hayford, the director of the Institute for Population Research at Ohio State University. The fact that many of those adults don’t realize those goals probably means that external factors are making it more difficult to be a parent, she said.

Survey data suggests that many young adults want to hit certain economic milestones before having children — they might want to buy a house, pay off student debt or comfortably afford child care, said Karen Benjamin Guzzo, a family demographer at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Reaching those milestones has become increasingly difficult, she said, as mortgage rates have risen sharply and child care costs have soared.

As fewer women opt to stay home to raise children, the absence of policies that support working families — like paid maternity leave and stable child care — may also be leading couples to believe they’re not prepared to be parents, Dr. Guzzo added.

The decision to have children, which she views as the “ultimate vote of confidence” in the future, may also be affected by how optimistic people are about the state of the world, she said.

A study by sociologists in the Netherlands found that people who said they thought the future generation’s prospects were “much worse than today” were less likely to become parents.

Right now, there are plenty of reasons young Americans might be pessimistic, Dr. Guzzo said, including climate change, frequent gun violence and the recent pandemic.

This might explain why fertility rates have been declining in most developed countries — not just in the United States — despite differences in their economic systems and social welfare policies.

“It’s not about being selfish and saying, ‘I’m not having kids because I want to sleep in all the time,’” Dr. Guzzo said. “When fertility rates are down, to me, that’s because people don’t feel like they have a future that they feel confident in.”

If there has been any shift in attitudes toward parenthood, Dr. Hayford of Ohio State said she believed that younger Americans were now more focused on whether they could offer a child “the best experience possible.”

In interviews she conducted with teenagers and adults in their early 20s, Dr. Hayford said, they often stressed the importance of improving their own patience and anger management to ensure they would be able to one day support their children’s emotional needs.

And some research suggests that younger generations have a higher bar for the amount of money required to raise a child.

Having children is something that people feel like they can make a choice about,” Dr. Hayford said. “They are really reluctant to enter into parenthood if they can’t provide what they think children need.”

Exactly how to change the trajectory of a so-called baby bust is still a mystery. Last year, former President Donald J. Trump floated the idea of offering a “baby bonus” to incentivize more families to have children.

“I want a baby boom!” he told a crowd of supporters. “You men are so lucky out there.”

Mr. Vance, his running mate, has advocated tax breaks for households with children and even an altered election system in which parents would have more voting power than people without children.

There is little evidence to suggest that policies designed to reward people for having children are successful on their own, Dr. Guzzo said. Governments in some countries have tried to increase fertility rates with cash incentives, tax breaks and generous parental leave, yielding modest or no success.

Since declining fertility is the result of a range of societal problems, Dr. Guzzo said, legislation that addresses broader issues — like student loans, unaffordable housing and parental leave — is more likely to spur change.

“In our view, every policy is a family policy,” she said.

A correction was made on Aug. 1, 2024: An earlier version of this article misstated the total fertility rate in 2023 and the replacement rate. The figures are 1.6 and 2.1 births per woman, not per 1,000 women.
 
White people can't out-breed hispanic immigration. It'd be like expecting Japan to just import 2% of its population every year from India and thinking young Japanese should just stop working and shit out a kid every year instead of ending said immigration.
Regardless, at the end of the day, the lack of children comes from the death of the "sexual middle class". People are getting fatter and broker than ever, but the average woman isn't becoming more willing to have kids with fatter, broker men. And I don't blame them, but either the birth rates continue declining or everyone has to start settling. Your first kid might not have a back yard to play in. Or your second or you guys live with grandpa until you're 30-something, etc. You have this situation where guys are being told to aim lower (with people they don't want to have as mothers to their kids) and girls are being told to aim higher (with guys who have better options) and average is refusing to meet eye to eye on the prospect of settling down.
I don't really care for the incel talking points. They're all a bunch of excuse making losers.
 
I don't really care for the incel talking points. They're all a bunch of excuse making losers.
Most incels don't want kids anyway. But the fact non-incel sources are talking about the low birth rate suggests that people really aren't having kids like they used to. And they are waiting longer to do so when they do have kids. Even though fewer people are having sex, apparently, as the 2020's stretch on, even the majority of people (who are having sex) still aren't rushing to have kids. It's not going to just turn around out of the blue if speculation as to the cause is dismissed as incel rhetoric.
 
That's why you get into a based and save-the-white-race-pilled gay relationship and have a poor slav woman as a surrogate. Even better, enslave women and put them in breeding facilities. The trannies would even go for the latter.
As the Great Nick Fuentes once said, "sex with women is gay".
Plenty of asian women who seem to contemplate the idea of having some slav woman be a surrogate so they can have a white kid with their white husbando
 
They don't always.
This is true and is arguably a consequence of the nuclear family arrangement. As an aside, I'm wondering if this is specifically because of the hedonist boomer generation being grandparents or if this happens with other generations?


Pride is one thing, but there's also the difficulty in getting that assistance. People really are not kidding when they talk here (and even places like /pol/) about how it's more difficult to get help if you're considered a "privileged" class.
No idea about how to get welfare so I'll defer to you
 
This is true and is arguably a consequence of the nuclear family arrangement. As an aside, I'm wondering if this is specifically because of the hedonist boomer generation being grandparents or if this happens with other generations?
I can confirm part of it is the Boomers (and by extension, their own parents) if only because I'm not seeing the same issues between GenX and their own children. Even younger Boombooms in the US generally seem to have better relationships with their children and grandchildren than the core-boomers.
 
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You can’t have children without a woman. Women birth children. If women are too revolting to you to shack up for life and breed with then you don’t get to have kids.
And the fact that 12% more young men want to have children than young women means nothing to you? Finding women revolting has nothing to do with it for those men and is entirely based on the fact women don't want to have children. I guess society just needs to tell these men to get fucked?

The artificial womb, beloved of troons and child traffickers, will allow children to be commissioned and sold like products. Children are not products. Every child needs a mother and a father. They are not a right. They are not something it should be possible to buy. Artificial wombs will usher in a field day for people wanting to buy children to abuse, slaves, organs to harvest etc. It’s a horrible idea.
And like the introduction of every other invention with far reaching consequences, it will be up to society to ensure it is used for good and not for evil. Should we get rid of the car because murderers use it to get to their victims? No. Should we get rid of nuclear power because it can be used to make bombs? No. Should the internet be done away with because predators can trade CP? No. It is up to the good to triumph over evil.

Language was used to pass the sentence that condemned Christ to death. A saw was used to cut the lumber that made his cross. A blacksmith's hammer was used to forge the nails which nailed him to that lumber, and another hammer was used to drive those nails home. Should we discard those things because they were used to commit evil? And not just once, not hundreds, not thousands, but no doubt billions of times across human history? No we shouldn't.
 
I was raised by classic narcissist Boomers who had children, then went "fuck, we made a mistake," and didn't want to be parents anymore. My biggest fear is that, because I am a selfish narcissist, I will have a child and look at him or her as a burden which I am stuck with for the rest of my life.

People have told me that, once I actually hold a hypothetical child, I won't feel that way... but I really don't want to risk it. It is far easier to use contraception than it is to bring life into this world that I can fuck up just like my parents did.
Who could I even raise them with?

Everyone's touched upon most of the societal and economic issues already, but how can I even have kids when everyone's struggling as is? When I don't even know if Mr. Right is going to troon out 10 years later, or worse? Wouldn't want to trap my children in a divorce/single parent predicament either.
Nothing worth doing is risk-free and the fact that you consider these things beforehand probably means you would be better than most parents anyway.

Short term and long term solutions exist or will exist. [...]

Only the artificial womb long term will solve low birth rates. The largest factor stopping replacement birth rates is that women simply do not want to have children. [...]

The artificial womb will empower men to have a family, while allowing those women who don't want children to have lives without heavy societal pressure or relationships that end in a breakup/divorce.
If by "solution" you mean "allow me to become Horatio" then I am onboard.
 
It's absolutely insane that people have been duped into not doing one of the most ingrained instinctual things nearly every living creature on earth does. I absolutely refuse to be priced or pressured out of continuing my bloodline. Granted I'm working hard as fuck for it, but it's my main purpose in life which motivates me to better my surroundings. If people simply do not want kids, that's fine, but the majority actually do want children. If you ask a lot of the childfree people why, you will eventually hear "well I would have kids but..." which means regret lies in their future.
Are you volunteering to pay for everyone's kids?
 
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It’s crony capitalism doing this. Taxes, and specifically inflation, have kept people, particularly men, from going out and dating when they become unqualified to because they “don’t make enough money” for the women they’re trying to be with.

Why would I want to raise my kids in a society that is trying to get them to troon out without my knowledge? To get shot and killed in an inner city? Or to have to potentially live in an apartment because of increasing unaffordable housing?

How about the lack of marriageable people due to federal student loan debt, debt in general, having kids out of wedlock, or spouses with a plethora of mental health problems or ulterior motives? Or the level of overchoice in our society?
 
And the fact that 12% more young men want to have children than young women means nothing to you? Finding women revolting has nothing to do with it for those men and is entirely based on the fact women don't want to have children. I guess society just needs to tell these men to get fucked?
Women have to put in a lot more work than men do when raising children. Also a lot of young men are fucking brain-rotted from pornography so I don’t blame young women for not wanting to have kids with them.

Many of these girls probably grew up in classrooms where boys were imitating noises they heard in porn. I think it’s also tied to why girls are trooning out at record numbers.
 
Anybody who would have kids in today's world is fucking stoopid to the extreme. Climate weirdness (cause may be debatable, but there isn't supposed to be tornadoes in fucking rural Germany ffs), a shit charcuterie board of economic problems rooted in the early boomers taking everything and telling future generations to get fucked since the boomers always expected to be the last generation and got pissed when the Age of Aquarius and/or thermonuclear holocaust never showed up.

Nobody can afford kids except the very rich. The rest of kids being born today are the products of one night stands with guys in singles bars who then disappear leaving the kid to raise itself. Mom works six jobs and the kid still lives on Frosted Flakes and cheap milk. No father, of course. A couple generations of this shit has already come and gone, and resulted in kids who don't want anything to do with society. No jobs for them except sweeping floors at a half empty mall, since the fast food places shut down after being forced to pay "a living wage" which the retard politicians were stunned to learn is $0 an hour.

I personally haven't dated since Clinton was POTUS. The quality women get snapped up quickly and leave skitzos, elderly widows, and pig butchers to compete for male affection. And the scientists are doing the headless chicken dance screaming REEEEEE HUMANITY IS GOING EXTINCT BECAUSE NOBODY IS HAVING KIDS THEY WOULD RATHER BUY VIDYA REEEEEEE!!!!!!!11
 
Fair enough but the point still stands in that we are materially much better off than, say, all of our ancestors prior to the 20th century.

No we're not, are you stupid? Even the most expensive goods you can buy in the current market are downgrades from what was available 20 years ago. Yes, even computers, sophisticated as they are, are worse in build quality, and your dollar does not go as far. Full-Size Luxury SUVs with $120k MSRP dealer stickers are missing luxuries and quality of life features that were present in $7000 cars from the 1970s. Clothing is worse, furniture is worse, building materials are worse, raw materials are cheaper and of a lower quality, etc.

This "I have netflix and candy crush and macdonalds hehe best time to be alive!" meme needs to fucking die. NOTHING is of a higher quality now. NOTHING. Lord over your empire of plastic Chinese bullshit all you want, I am not convinced. I am old enough to remember what quality looked like, and I haven't seen it since.
 
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Anybody who would have kids in today's world is fucking stoopid to the extreme. Climate weirdness (cause may be debatable, but there isn't supposed to be tornadoes in fucking rural Germany ffs), a shit charcuterie board of economic problems rooted in the early boomers taking everything and telling future generations to get fucked since the boomers always expected to be the last generation and got pissed when the Age of Aquarius and/or thermonuclear holocaust never showed up.

Nobody can afford kids except the very rich. The rest of kids being born today are the products of one night stands with guys in singles bars who then disappear leaving the kid to raise itself. Mom works six jobs and the kid still lives on Frosted Flakes and cheap milk. No father, of course. A couple generations of this shit has already come and gone, and resulted in kids who don't want anything to do with society. No jobs for them except sweeping floors at a half empty mall, since the fast food places shut down after being forced to pay "a living wage" which the retard politicians were stunned to learn is $0 an hour.

I personally haven't dated since Clinton was POTUS. The quality women get snapped up quickly and leave skitzos, elderly widows, and pig butchers to compete for male affection. And the scientists are doing the headless chicken dance screaming REEEEEE HUMANITY IS GOING EXTINCT BECAUSE NOBODY IS HAVING KIDS THEY WOULD RATHER BUY VIDYA REEEEEEE!!!!!!!11
What a retarded nigger.
 
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