why are you still single - and general discussion of the dating game

I'm coming back to this thread to ask another question and maybe another tangent for the thread to follow: do most people actually just date/marry people just on the basis of their looks? I get ogling at a hot woman, but I never thought I'd want to spend the rest of my life with her or really interact with her just on the basis of the likelihood that we have compatible personalities is slim. Maybe it's because I am a bit more eccentric than most, but that seems like a shite foundation for a relationship. Of course, I'd appreciate if a woman looks attractive and keeps up her appearances but personalities also matter in a relationship and it seems like the dating market is explicitly there to basically force you to put on a mask so you can ape your way into someone's bed rather than to have an actual connection. I might be wrong and I would be willing to learn from anyone that has been/ is in a relationship for a long period of time.
I think people generally weigh looks more than they think and much more than they should.
Beauty fades, often very quickly. Personality lasts a lifetime.
At the same time, if you don't live in some really tight-knit community (like a peasant village) you may not have enough exposure to enough women to go entirely off personality. Then what would determine who you go up to? If not just a good vibe - which sometimes you do meet people who just radiate goodness - then it has to be appearance.

Also, if somebody's worth dating, it shouldn't be a challenge to get along with them. That doesn't mean never fighting, but it means you shouldn't feel like you're always trying to earn/fight for their attention.
 
I want someone whose company is better than being alone and I haven't met them yet.
feel, a lot of peoples ideal relationship is being near 100% the same and always doing everything together. honestly i think there should be a balance personally i like my alone time to be able to have a break and think, but a bf would be the person to share those thoughts with and hear his too. a relationship shouldn’t mean having to spend every minute together, i think people feel held down in their relationships is that they don’t acknowledge them and their partner have differences and that it’s okay.
Probably because 100% of people replying to this thread have a kiwifarms account
i had said earlier in this thread that i like kwf cause you can be completely honest about what you think and not have to self censor. i think a partner should be like that too and being able to show a part of your personality and thoughts that you don’t show normally.

i know it’s pretty autistic to compare a new zealand agriculture forum to a real life relationship. the point is that a person that you can confide your most personal thoughts and feelings in is something i’m sure most people want nowadays, but are hard to find. i want a person who i don’t have to watch what i say around them and they don’t have to either. same with friendships too, but that sort of trust is absolutely necessary in a partner to spend your whole life with and have a family with.
 
i had said earlier in this thread that i like kwf cause you can be completely honest about what you think and not have to self censor. i think a partner should be like that too and being able to show a part of your personality and thoughts that you don’t show normally.
This.

KF has a nice balance of moderation and self-autonomy where users can speak their mind and not expect to be coddled by other people to tell them what is and isn't appropriate to say. Too many rules and you have a sanitized hellscape where paranoia becomes the name of the game, and people suck up to the jannies in fear of being banned at random. Too few rules and the forum becomes entirely dictated by the will of the mob in one large shit-flinging competition to constantly one-up other people for a spot on an ever-collapsing social heirarchy. Just like in real life, both totalitarianism and total anarchy enable people to repress their peers, while a society that achieves the golden balance results in people having the greatest freedom of expression.
 
How many of you posting in this thread are groypers &/or incels?
Groyper? Nope. Incel? Yes, but only technically and not ideologically. I wanted to make that clear because I know there are guys who have turned being an incel into some weird political ideology and use it as a form of identity politics. I don't let silly shit like that define who I am.
 
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feel, a lot of peoples ideal relationship is being near 100% the same and always doing everything together. honestly i think there should be a balance personally i like my alone time to be able to have a break and think, but a bf would be the person to share those thoughts with and hear his too. a relationship shouldn’t mean having to spend every minute together, i think people feel held down in their relationships is that they don’t acknowledge them and their partner have differences and that it’s okay.

i had said earlier in this thread that i like kwf cause you can be completely honest about what you think and not have to self censor. i think a partner should be like that too and being able to show a part of your personality and thoughts that you don’t show normally.

i know it’s pretty autistic to compare a new zealand agriculture forum to a real life relationship. the point is that a person that you can confide your most personal thoughts and feelings in is something i’m sure most people want nowadays, but are hard to find. i want a person who i don’t have to watch what i say around them and they don’t have to either. same with friendships too, but that sort of trust is absolutely necessary in a partner to spend your whole life with and have a family with.
Yeah I dont want my significant other to be my best friend, but I want them to have the same morals so we can have a strong foundation together.

Like laughing at terminally online tranny`s is a favourite pastime of mine. They don`t have to be necessarily be into it but they have to be willing to tolerate the joke/memes that I inevitable show them. And understand it`s an aesthetic not a core value.
 
Because I'm content being the cool uncle who has all the disposable income to my niece and nephew.
shit like this is just a cope for people that aren`t willing to put in the work to get them in a position to have a relationship.

Having a strong family is key to having a long happy life, and you`re denying yourself a fundamental human quality because you`re too lazy and undisciplined. Relying on youre siblings to have a pseudo proxy family is soft.
 
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I must make money and do college but if I don't and try to get gf then I'll fail what I've been building up, but if I don't get gf then I feel lonely again and have paranoia back. I feel trapped.
You are actually on the right path. Women's most marketable period as a romantic partner is early in their lives: 18-35. For men it's older, probably 28-45. It feels rough now because your competition at the moment is often men with established careers and years of confidence/wealth building. If you keep on the path, as you get older you'll find you start to stack up better against your competition, who increasingly becomes younger and less established/confident than you. Just give it time and remember the right woman will fit into your life, not ask you to blow it up.

Had a girlfriend, broke up and ended it badly, decided to just focus on me for a while before jumping back into the dating scene. So far, I have a new job, make more money doing something I like, and am generally happy with myself, so I might get back into it.
This is absolutely the correct approach.

Because its so over. If you aren't the top 1% of men, it's literally a joke to even think of trying.
You've already lost the battle with that attitude. You don't have to be in the top 1%, you have to be better than their last ex or appear to be.

Unfortunately leftism has made many women undateable. No man wants to date a leftist woman that is passionate about feminism and other such anti male garbage. At most you might get the male feminist types going along with it just to try and get some pussy (there is even a term for this it's called "wokefishing") and we all know that's not a recipe for a healthy long term relationship.
Leftism tends to infect those who were already unsuitable partners. It's the fact they are outcasts that makes victimhood attractive to them.

I'm unreasonably terrified of rejection. I don't really go outside much anymore. I experience such severe anxiety at the thought of approaching somebody I'm interested in that I never actually do it. I think I'm way uglier than I actually am.

All of these things are huge roadblocks separately but put them all together and you're pretty screwed. More likely for the perfect person to just randomly break into my house and introduce themselves than for me to find anybody organically.
let me put it to you this way: you are guaranteeing that your worst fear (rejection) will be realized by not even trying. I recommend talking to potential interests with the mentality that you are practicing. Don't expect anything to happen, expect that you are learning/experimenting with conversation. It helps take some of the anxiety away because you're focusing on a task and not the outcome. Also remember that Ron Perlman got laid, so even if you were ugly it's not necessarily a dealbreaker. Just don't expect anything to come of any flirting or conversation you have. You tend to succeed once you stop caring about the outcome and just be yourself.

Also, positivity draws people in way more so than negativity.
 
Yeah I dont want my significant other to be my best friend, but I want them to have the same morals so we can have a strong foundation together.

Like laughing at terminally online tranny`s is a favourite pastime of mine. They don`t have to be necessarily be into it but they have to be willing to tolerate the joke/memes that I inevitable show them. And understand it`s an aesthetic not a core value.
I think I actually do want my hypothetical wife/GF to be my best friend. Is that a bad idea?
 
I think I actually do want my hypothetical wife/GF to be my best friend. Is that a bad idea?
Yes. When you need to vent/seek advice about your wife/GF or situations you're in, you've already taken your best friend off the table. Also, if you lose said wife/gf you also lose your best friend.

What I think you are correct about is that you want your significant other to be a good friend.
 
let me put it to you this way: you are guaranteeing that your worst fear (rejection) will be realized by not even trying. I recommend talking to potential interests with the mentality that you are practicing. Don't expect anything to happen, expect that you are learning/experimenting with conversation. It helps take some of the anxiety away because you're focusing on a task and not the outcome. Also remember that Ron Perlman got laid, so even if you were ugly it's not necessarily a dealbreaker. Just don't expect anything to come of any flirting or conversation you have. You tend to succeed once you stop caring about the outcome and just be yourself.

Also, positivity draws people in way more so than negativity.
Ah... Ron Perlman: America's Caveman. I actually never thought of it that way... looking at it more of an experience than a test. Thank you for this <3
 
You've already lost the battle with that attitude. You don't have to be in the top 1%, you have to be better than their last ex or appear to be.
it’s true, social status and wealth mean nothing if you are a good person/partner yeah there’s vain women who won’t date a man who isn’t “at the top” but those types aren’t worth wasting your energy on
i have been with a person who was in a bad place and not good on money. that in its own wasn’t a problem, but no matter what i tried to do or how supportive i tried to be this guy never tried to improve and was just hostile at any suggestions on how to make the situation better. he just wanted to stay a victim and never actually try.

if you are willing to try to improve yourself your partner will stick around and help you become a better person. if you keep a negative attitude, don’t expect a woman to keep trying to help you. there are people who are in bad circumstances or something bad happens to them, but they keep a good attitude and make the best of their situation. a good partner will stay with you through hard times if YOU do too and don’t just stay where you’re at, you drag them down with you
a lot of the top 1% are miserable cunts who can put on a mask of being good/nice people but aren’t actually that way. they break up and get divorced because their partner can’t put up with how they really are behind closed doors.

if the women you pursue reject you for your status, you have to start looking somewhere else. women who only date for reasons like that are shallow cunts and won’t give you fulfilment in a relationship
let me put it to you this way: you are guaranteeing that your worst fear (rejection) will be realized by not even trying. I recommend talking to potential interests with the mentality that you are practicing.
i’ve been trying to do this too, it’s good also to try to “separate” yourself from these interactions, what i mean is don’t take rejection or a bad interaction personally or as a reflection on your character. way easier said than done though
Also, positivity draws people in way more so than negativity.
100% you get back the energy you put out there. if you look for negativity you’ll find it, if you have a positive attitude that energy will come to you naturally. one bad event only makes a bad day if you let it
 
I'm coming back to this thread to ask another question and maybe another tangent for the thread to follow: do most people actually just date/marry people just on the basis of their looks? I get ogling at a hot woman, but I never thought I'd want to spend the rest of my life with her or really interact with her just on the basis of the likelihood that we have compatible personalities is slim. Maybe it's because I am a bit more eccentric than most, but that seems like a shite foundation for a relationship. Of course, I'd appreciate if a woman looks attractive and keeps up her appearances but personalities also matter in a relationship and it seems like the dating market is explicitly there to basically force you to put on a mask so you can ape your way into someone's bed rather than to have an actual connection. I might be wrong and I would be willing to learn from anyone that has been/ is in a relationship for a long period of time.
Woman here. Looks are okay, but everybody goes saggy in some way eventually. It's a part of life. You're at your peak physical form for the first 35 years of your life, and that leaves you with about 40 years left and the fine lines turning to wrinkles. The only exceptions are people that make enough money to get laser treatments and surgeries done on the regular but even that ends up looking worse than just letting yourself age.

I just prefer it when somebody takes care of themselves and does the best with what they've got. A shaved head is much more attractive than somebody who desperately clings to the hair they have left despite the obvious bald spots, for example, but it's more than that. Even just a light mist of a good cologne is like candy despite the looks. Showering regularly, dressing fit and possessing your own interests and personality is ten times more valuable than looks are. Anybody who says otherwise is an incredibly shallow person that probably isn't worth your friendship.
 
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